---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 05/23/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (craig bastin) 2. 04:52 AM - Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (rampil) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (Fred Klein) 4. 08:25 AM - Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (ALAN YERLY) 5. 09:03 AM - Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance (rampil) 6. 09:11 AM - Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Roger Lowe) 7. 10:31 AM - Re: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery (glenn crowder) 8. 11:18 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (ALAN YERLY) 9. 01:22 PM - europa for sale (Tom Friedland) 10. 01:58 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (craig bastin) 11. 02:04 PM - Re: europa for sale (craig bastin) 12. 02:16 PM - Re: europa for sale (D.Hetrick) 13. 02:48 PM - Re: europa for sale (Tom Friedland) 14. 04:22 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (ALAN YERLY) 15. 05:25 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Steve Hagar) 16. 06:39 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (craig bastin) 17. 10:46 PM - Re: europa for sale (Robert C Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:08 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: Europa-List: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery Can anyone tell me about the 200hp supercharged ea81 in the builders gallery. I am just curious if someone has this in a europa. craig Checked by AVG. 4:44 PM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:15 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance From: "rampil" I just hung a brand new exhaust system on my 912ULS and find the banjo bolt is closer to the muffler heat shield than previously. It could just be an optical illusion with all that bright shiny metal there for the first time in a long time. I've lengthened the down pipe of number 1 cylinder a fair bit with the slide. Does anyone know the reasonable minimal distance between shield and bolt? Thanks, -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184487#184487 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery From: Fred Klein > Can anyone tell me about the 200hp supercharged ea81 in the builders > gallery. I am just curious if someone has this in a europa. Craig....send an email to: GLENN CROWDER ...he be the USA Guru on EuropaSoobs...Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:47 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance Ira, I use about a half inch from the banjo bolt to the muffler, primarily to give clearance for the clamp and of course the silver heat shielding to protect the oil line. I have run as little as 1/4 of an inch from the muffler heat shield to the clamp which went around the heat sleeve material over the oil line and clamp. Check also the engine hasn't started to sag a little, as the mounting bolt spacers may need to be adjusted to get the engine back to level so the muffler will clear the cowl / ducting. The joys of aircraft ownership. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Europa-List: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance > I just hung a brand new exhaust system on my 912ULS and find the banjo bolt is closer to the muffler heat shield than previously. It could just be an optical illusion with all that bright shiny metal there for the first time in a long time. I've lengthened the down pipe of number 1 cylinder a fair bit with the slide. Does anyone know the reasonable minimal distance between shield and bolt? Thanks, -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184487#184487 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:12 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Oil Banjo to Muffler Clearance From: "rampil" Thanks Bud! -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=184527#184527 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:51 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty From: "Roger Lowe" Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:31:51 AM PST US From: glenn crowder Subject: RE: Europa-List: 200hp ea81 in the builders gallery Wayne Oehler from San Diego is just about done with his the last time I hea rd from him. I can send you his email address if you would like. I use the 125 hp NA ve rsion in my mono and it works fantastic. You get a bit more power with a bit more weight. All up wt on mine RTF no fuel is 930 lbs. WOT 175 mph at 7500 ft. Glenn> From: craigb@onth enet.com.au> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Europa-List: 200hp ea8 1 in the builders gallery> Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 21:51:47 +1000> > --> Eur opa-List message posted by: "craig bastin" > > > Ca n anyone tell me about the 200hp supercharged ea81 in the builders> gallery . I am just curious> if someone has this in a europa.> > craig> Checked by ======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Give to a good cause with every e-mail. Join the i=92m Initiative from Micr osoft. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:18:23 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty > Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:22:08 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com Tom ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:01 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron====================== bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com title=http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c==== =========== Checked by AVG. 4:44 PM ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:29 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com Tom Checked by AVG. 4:44 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:48 PM PST US From: "D.Hetrick" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Tom, Really sorry to hear that you are selling N96V. I know that it must hurt since you never even got a chance to fly it. Regards, Dale Hetrick ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Friedland To: Europa Forum Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 1:16 PM Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com Tom ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:15 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Craig Believe me I have tried everything available during the 3 years that I have been concerned about this. It is not just about volume of sound. Thanks for your thoughts. Tom On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 2:04 PM, craig bastin wrote: > Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. > Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out > virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it > clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep > flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland > *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM > *To:* Europa Forum > *Subject:* Europa-List: europa for sale > > Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while > I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no > longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly > for sale. > N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with > trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. > Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. > 96victor@gmail.com > > Tom > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:08 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Craig... Once open a year. The Huntsman product paperwork I have says 1 year, but I use it up to 3 if closed and stored properly. The problem is with the hardener. It makes a slime top if not properly stored, even unopened. We are held hostage by Huntsman over here. Woe are we. Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 4:58 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty > Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron=================== === bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:25:48 PM PST US From: "Steve Hagar" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron====================== bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:39 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Dont know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron====================== bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Checked by AVG. 3:36 PM ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:13 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi! Tom So sorry that you have to split out from your bird. Have you done hearing tests using the Bose Noise attenuated head sets? I haven't brilliant hearing but the Jabiru emits a really crap radio noise which I found impossible to shut out, so Ivor Phillips and I flew thousands of miles with the damn squelch button lifted . Now I have (at great expense) the Bose head sets and generally it is noise free. Obviously you will have had tests in other aircraft before making this momentous decision? Best regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Now with Rotax 914!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: 23 May 2008 22:45 Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Craig Believe me I have tried everything available during the 3 years that I have been concerned about this. It is not just about volume of sound. Thanks for your thoughts. 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