Europa-List Digest Archive

Sat 05/24/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 05:04 AM - Re: europa for sale (Greg Fuchs (FB))
     2. 09:14 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Jeff B)
     3. 11:29 AM - Help! Mod 52 or 74 (Carl Pattinson)
     4. 02:12 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty ()
     5. 02:33 PM - Re: Help! Mod 52 or 74 (craig bastin)
     6. 04:27 PM - Re: Help! Mod 52 or 74 (Fred Klein)
     7. 05:02 PM - Re: Help! Mod 52 or 74 (craig bastin)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:04:14 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Fuchs (FB)" <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
    Subject: europa for sale
    I have got to add my 2 cents (I am eagerly raising my hand too). Some aircraft do not have a radio, and are flyable with non-radio practices. Maybe this is a consideration, as well? Greg Fuchs A050 (680 hours into it) _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 10:42 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi! Tom So sorry that you have to split out from your bird. Have you done hearing tests using the Bose Noise attenuated head sets? I haven't brilliant hearing but the Jabiru emits a really crap radio noise which I found impossible to shut out, so Ivor Phillips and I flew thousands of miles with the damn squelch button lifted . Now I have (at great expense) the Bose head sets and generally it is noise free. Obviously you will have had tests in other aircraft before making this momentous decision? Best regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Now with Rotax 914!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: 23 May 2008 22:45 Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Craig Believe me I have tried everything available during the 3 years that I have been concerned about this. It is not just about volume of sound. Thanks for your thoughts. Tom


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    Time: 09:14:28 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
    That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the Redux did. My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested. Baby Blue shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this glue... Jeff Steve Hagar wrote: > I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration > dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep > records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of > the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a > lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that > you are anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If > the fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can > reasonably be assured your material is still good. > > Steve Hagar > A143 > Mesa AZ > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* craig bastin <mailto:craigb@onthenet.com.au> > *To: *europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty > > I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are > sending you new batches. > Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, > new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is > quoting an expiry of june 2010 > price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 > > craig > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of > *ALAN YERLY > *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty > > Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as > Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. > > I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor > TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for > the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and > shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies > are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in > aircraft. > > I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B > (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in > California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I > have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the > last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman > has at least changed their policy and have agreed to > distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, > Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no > significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've > researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is > slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high > shipping/hazardous fees. > > If I order soon, and I can still combine with other > distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus > shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more > than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows > someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into > the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. > > Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. > Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at > least two if unopened. > > I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. > > Bud Yerly > Custom Flight Creations > Europa Distributor > Cell 813-244-8354 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Roger Lowe <mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM > *Subject:* Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty > > <rlowe@speedway.ca <mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>> > > Everyone, > > Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite > 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you > forward me their contact information. > > The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have > purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as > hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll > need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. > > OR > > Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is > readily available in US or Canada? > > Thanks, > > Roger Lowe > A252 > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org <http://www.EuropaOwners.org> > > > nbsp; Features Chat, --> > http://www.matron====================== > bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List> > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > * > > *<>* > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG.


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    Time: 11:29:23 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Help! Mod 52 or 74
    Does anybody have a kit for either Mod 52 or Mod 74 (with the tie bar assembly) that hasnt been fitted yet I need the dimension of the W34 mushroom end which fits inside the steel tube tie bar. To be precise I need to know exactly how long the shaft is that protrudes from the rear of the mushroom flange - preferably in mm but inches would be OK. The reason is that I may have drilled the inboard holes through the tie bar in the wrong place - dont ask how this came about , its a long story. I believe the dimension should be 2" or 51mm but im hoping it is nearer 55mm. As mine is now glued in place I cant check my own dimensions without ripping everything apart (which I may have to do anyway if it is seriously out). Carl Pattinson G-LABS


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    Time: 02:12:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
    From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
    Hi Jeff "> That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the > Redux did. My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested. Baby Blue > shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this > glue..." I could be wrong, but did you not speak of using another type of adhesive to stick together your Europa? Perhaps it was only the wing panels or fuse halves? I think you also mentioned that you reinforced either the wing panels and or fuse seams with perhaps 2 BID? Perhaps it was Aeropoxy structural adhesive?? Ron Parigoris


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    Time: 02:33:41 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Help! Mod 52 or 74
    My W34 reads as 53.85mm from the end of the tube to inside of flange (the outside being the face that goes against the side of the fuse) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2008 4:26 AM Subject: Europa-List: Help! Mod 52 or 74 <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> Does anybody have a kit for either Mod 52 or Mod 74 (with the tie bar assembly) that hasnt been fitted yet I need the dimension of the W34 mushroom end which fits inside the steel tube tie bar. To be precise I need to know exactly how long the shaft is that protrudes from the rear of the mushroom flange - preferably in mm but inches would be OK. The reason is that I may have drilled the inboard holes through the tie bar in the wrong place - dont ask how this came about , its a long story. I believe the dimension should be 2" or 51mm but im hoping it is nearer 55mm. As mine is now glued in place I cant check my own dimensions without ripping everything apart (which I may have to do anyway if it is seriously out). Carl Pattinson G-LABS Checked by AVG. 3:36 PM Checked by AVG. 3:36 PM


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    Time: 04:27:50 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Help! Mod 52 or 74
    From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
    > <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > > My W34 reads as 53.85mm from the end of the tube to inside of flange > (the > outside being the face that goes against the side of the fuse) craig...if I understand you correctly, you have either a very short tube or a bad case of fuselage obesity for which there is no known cure...Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 05:02:51 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Help! Mod 52 or 74
    Yeah i put a car jack in there to give me the wide body mod the fast way : ) only joking do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Sunday, 25 May 2008 9:24 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Help! Mod 52 or 74 > <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > > My W34 reads as 53.85mm from the end of the tube to inside of flange > (the > outside being the face that goes against the side of the fuse) craig...if I understand you correctly, you have either a very short tube or a bad case of fuselage obesity for which there is no known cure...Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. Checked by AVG. 8:56 AM Checked by AVG. 8:56 AM




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