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| Subject:  | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty | 
      
      Craig
      I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the
       conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at t
      est before next use.
      JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: craig bastin 
        To: europa-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM
        Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
        Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Do
      nt know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL 
        I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that
          -----Original Message-----
          From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-
      server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
          Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM
          To: europa-list@matronics.com
          Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
          I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration d
      ates on the Redux.  Alot of  that is due to how long they want to keep reco
      rds and liability.  If you are concerned about the suitability of the mater
      ial concerning its expriation date make a test coupon.  Make a lap sample o
      f the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are  anticipa
      ting to bond in service and do a destructive test.  If the fibereglass brea
      ks or tears before the  bond separates you can reasonably be assured your m
      aterial is still good.
      
          Steve Hagar
          A143
          Mesa AZ
      
      
            ----- Original Message ----- 
            From: craig bastin 
            To: europa-list@matronics.com
            Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM 
            Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
            I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sendin
      g you new batches.
            Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I go
      t, 
            new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting
       an expiry of june 2010
            price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
      
            craig
              -----Original Message-----
              From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-l
      ist-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
              Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
              To: europa-list@matronics.com
              Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
              Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Ara
      ldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B.  
      
              I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE
      .  As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and
       as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it.  I have looked f
      or substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or will
      ing to be used in aircraft.
      
              I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux
      ) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured 
      their pricing and packaging.   I have been in contact with my distributor a
      nd Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue.  Gladly,
       Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute E
      pibond 420 in 6 quart cases again.  Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doub
      led the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for mul
      tiple cases.    I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it 
      is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous 
      fees.
      
              If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I 
      can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20
      ).  Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year.  Airbus is the primary us
      er so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle
       it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices.  
      
              Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch.  Shel
      f life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if un
      opened.
      
              I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far.  I need three others
      .
      
              Bud Yerly
              Custom Flight Creations
              Europa Distributor 
              Cell 813-244-8354
                ----- Original Message ----- 
                From: Roger Lowe 
                To: europa-list@matronics.com 
                Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
                Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      a>
      
                Everyone,
      
                Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (ra
      pid epoxy) in the US or Canada=3F If you have, can you forward me their conta
      ct information. 
      
                The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased h
      as expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shi
      pping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it 
      here too.
      
                OR
      
                Is there an =22approved=22 alternative that can be used that is readi
      ly available in US or Canada=3F
      
                Thanks,
      
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                A252
      
      
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| Subject:  | Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty | 
      
      Wow, that was quite awhile ago. It sure WOULD have to be long lasting. I
      believe that was one year before I was born, or before we landed on the
      moon. I wouldn't want to date my age and say its OLD per se, but might be
      too old for Europa work :-) ;-)  
      
      
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      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JR Gowing
      Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:13 AM
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      Craig
      
      I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the
      conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at
      test before next use.
      
      JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      From: craig <mailto:craigb@onthenet.com.au>  bastin 
      
      
      Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM
      
      Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Dont
      know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL 
      
      I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
      Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM
      Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates
      on the Redux.  Alot of  that is due to how long they want to keep records
      and liability.  If you are concerned about the suitability of the material
      concerning its expriation date make a test coupon.  Make a lap sample of the
      thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are  anticipating to
      bond in service and do a destructive test.  If the fibereglass breaks or
      tears before the  bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material
      is still good.
      
      
      Steve Hagar
      
      A143
      
      Mesa AZ
      
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      From: craig <mailto:craigb@onthenet.com.au>  bastin 
      
      
      Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM 
      
      Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you
      new batches.
      
      Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, 
      
      new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an
      expiry of june 2010
      
      price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
      
      
      craig
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
      Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
      Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420
      or Epibond 420 A/B.  
      
      
      I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE.  As
      there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a
      result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it.  I have looked for
      substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing
      to be used in aircraft.
      
      
      I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that
      the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their
      pricing and packaging.   I have been in contact with my distributor and
      Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue.  Gladly,
      Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute
      Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again.  Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly
      doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for
      multiple cases.    I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and
      it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high
      shipping/hazardous fees.
      
      
      If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6
      quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20).  Yes, I
      know that is $120 more than last year.  Airbus is the primary user so if
      anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into
      the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices.  
      
      
      Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch.  Shelf life is
      a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened.
      
      
      I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far.  I need three others.
      
      
      Bud Yerly
      
      Custom Flight Creations
      
      Europa Distributor 
      
      Cell 813-244-8354
      
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      
      From: Roger Lowe <mailto:rlowe@speedway.ca>  
      
      
      Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
      
      Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      
      Everyone,
      
      Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy)
      in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact
      information. 
      
      The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired.
      The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm
      in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too.
      
      OR
      
      Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily
      available in US or Canada?
      
      Thanks,
      
      Roger Lowe
      A252
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty | 
      
      I have a batch of Redux with an expiry date 1998 (so about 12 yrs old). 
      
      Not sure why I keep it but do test samples from time to time and apart 
      from the emerald green now being more of a grey green it sets as hard as 
      ever. The mix goes off just fine with no sticky residue. Using a hammer 
      to separate the bond always ends up with the components breaking rather 
      than the Redux. 
      
      Probably OK as a general adhesive but wouldnt risk it on anything 
      structural.
      
      If you had an out of date batch and only needed a couple of small jobs 
      needing Redux it might be worth speaking with Europa. On the non 
      structural bonds (eg: bedding in bolt heads) flox/ resin is often an 
      acceptable substitute but check with Europa first.
      
      Its a pity the factory cant supply smaller quantities for repair 
      purposes. Maybe something the Europa club would be willing to look at. 
      It would be possible to split a 2kg tin into 200 or 500 g batches.
      
      Just a thought.
      
      Carl Pattinson
      
      
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: JR Gowing 
        To: europa-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:12 AM
        Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
        Craig
        I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and 
      believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I 
      will run at test before next use.
        JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz
          ----- Original Message ----- 
          From: craig bastin 
          To: europa-list@matronics.com 
          Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM
          Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
          Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by 
      hand. Dont know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL 
          I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that
            -----Original Message-----
            From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar
            Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM
            To: europa-list@matronics.com
            Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
            I and others have mentioned this before on this site about 
      expiration dates on the Redux.  Alot of  that is due to how long they 
      want to keep records and liability.  If you are concerned about the 
      suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test 
      coupon.  Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of 
      fiberglass etc that you are  anticipating to bond in service and do a 
      destructive test.  If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the  bond 
      separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good.
      
            Steve Hagar
            A143
            Mesa AZ
      
      
              ----- Original Message ----- 
              From: craig bastin 
              To: europa-list@matronics.com
              Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM 
              Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
              I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are 
      sending you new batches.
              Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one 
      I got, 
              new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is 
      quoting an expiry of june 2010
              price was much the same $1280 a case of 6
      
              craig
                -----Original Message-----
                From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
                Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM
                To: europa-list@matronics.com
                Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
                Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known 
      as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B.  
      
                I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor 
      TAPE.  As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the 
      Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it.  I 
      have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as 
      ductile or willing to be used in aircraft.
      
                I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B 
      (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has 
      restructured their pricing and packaging.   I have been in contact with 
      my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve 
      the issue.  Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have 
      agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again.  Unfortunately, 
      Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk 
      discounts available for multiple cases.    I've researched importing 
      fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak 
      dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees.
      
                If I order soon, and I can still combine with other 
      distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to 
      you (typically $20).  Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year.  
      Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can 
      steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some 
      pretty ugly prices.  
      
                Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch.  
      Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least 
      two if unopened.
      
                I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far.  I need three 
      others.
      
                Bud Yerly
                Custom Flight Creations
                Europa Distributor 
                Cell 813-244-8354
                  ----- Original Message ----- 
                  From: Roger Lowe 
                  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
                  Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM
                  Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty
      
      
      <rlowe@speedway.ca>
      
                  Everyone,
      
                  Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 
      2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me 
      their contact information. 
      
                  The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have 
      purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous 
      material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the 
      vendor can ship it here too.
      
                  OR
      
                  Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is 
      readily available in US or Canada?
      
                  Thanks,
      
                  Roger Lowe
                  A252
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty | 
      
      I just checked and the packs are 1.4kg, not 2kg as I believed.
      
      In the UK these are available for L80 including tax and shipping. Split 
      into 200g batches would work out at L12 each plus postage.
      
      OK, I know that posting is a no no due to them being classed as 
      hazardous chemicals but small batches properly packaged shouldnt be a 
      problem.
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty | 
      
      
      Ron,
      
      You have an excellent memory.  When my Redux played out, I finished the 
      job (wings) with Aeropoxy 6228, mixed with a little flox, then 
      reinforced with a couple of layers of bid, as I did on the fuse joint, 
      which was a Redux joint.  Absolutely no problems with any of the joints. 
        The point I was getting to was that, in all joints, using out of date 
      Redux, there have been no problems.  I believe the expiry, to a point, 
      is a lawyer thing... :)
      
      Sorry for any confusion...
      
      Jeff - Baby Blue
      
      rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
      > 
      > Hi Jeff
      > 
      > "> That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the
      > 
      >> Redux did.  My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested.  Baby Blue 
      >> shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this 
      >> glue..."
      > 
      > I could be wrong, but did you not speak of using another type of adhesive
      > to stick together your Europa? Perhaps it was only the wing panels or fuse
      > halves? I think you also mentioned that you reinforced either the wing
      > panels and or fuse seams with perhaps 2 BID?
      > 
      > Perhaps it was Aeropoxy structural adhesive??
      > 
      > Ron Parigoris
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 | 
      
      I  am not sure whether this email got sent first time around. Apologies
      if it is a repeat. 
      
      This is a reminder for anyone considering attending the Lydeway Fly-In
      this year. There are still a few places left. As this is a strictly PPR
      fly-in with limited places if you are interested in attending please
      respond to this email. It isn't necessary to have a flying Europa for
      this event. In fact a variety of aircraft types adds to the interest of
      the event so if you have an alternative aircraft we would be pleased to
      welcome you. With that in mind feel free to pass on details of this
      event to other GA pilots.
      
      Regards
      
      Nigel Charles
      
      
      -----------------------------------------
      
      
      LYDEWAY BBQ/FLY-IN 2008
      
      The Lydeway BBQ/Fly-In will be held on Saturday 14th June 2008 with
      Sunday 15th June as a back-up day in case of bad weather. For those who
      haven't been to Lydeway before it is a 790m grass strip 11nm south of
      RAF Lyneham. A BBQ and drinks are provided for free in exchange for a
      couple of joyride flights for local residents. Due to the numbers of
      flight movements during the day I need to limit the event to 12-14
      aircraft. With that in mind it is strictly PPR and I am now taking
      bookings. If you are only able to make one or other of the 2 days set
      aside for the event that is OK as I am taking bookings for both days
      independently. There will be a weather check at 2000hrs on Friday 14th
      June and immediately afterwards pilots will be notified by email as to
      which day the event will go ahead.
      
      Anyone interested in attending should contact me at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
      or by phone on 01380 860620.
      
      
      Nigel Charles.
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: europa for sale | 
      
      Tom,
      Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to 
      take away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make 
      it possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf 
        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: craig bastin 
        To: europa-list@matronics.com 
        Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM
        Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale
      
      
        Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. 
      Like one of those BOSE or ZULU  ANR headsets to cut out
        virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can 
      hear it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep
        flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look.
          -----Original Message-----
          From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com 
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom 
      Friedland
          Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM
          To: Europa Forum
          Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale
      
      
          Yes it hurts.  It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years 
      while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss.  It is now such that I 
      can no longer understand many radio transmissions.  Therefore, it is 
      reluctantly for sale. 
      
      
          N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes 
      with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more.  Asking $49,000 or 
      BO.  Located Ellensburg WA    Email me for photos and a long list of 
      extras.  96victor@gmail.com
      
      
          Tom
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: europa for sale | 
      
      Hi Karel
      Thanks for the note.
      
      How do you fly into controlled airspace and to fields with towers?
      
      Tom
      
      On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
      wrote:
      
      >  Tom,
      > Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take
      > away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it
      > possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > *From:* craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
      > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
      > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM
      > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: europa for sale
      >
      > Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like
      > one of those BOSE or ZULU  ANR headsets to cut out
      > virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it
      > clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep
      > flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look.
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
      > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland
      > *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM
      > *To:* Europa Forum
      > *Subject:* Europa-List: europa for sale
      >
      > Yes it hurts.  It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while
      > I contemplated my increasing hearing loss.  It is now such that I can no
      > longer understand many radio transmissions.  Therefore, it is reluctantly
      > for sale.
      > N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with
      > trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more.  Asking $49,000 or BO.
      >  Located Ellensburg WA    Email me for photos and a long list of extras.
      > 96victor@gmail.com
      >
      > Tom
      >
      > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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      > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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      >
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| Subject:  | A special request | 
      
      If anyone has an XS monowheel sitting on a factory-supplied trailer 
      with wings stowed for travel, a yardstick and measuring tape, and a bit 
      of spare time, I have a request. Could you please:
      
      1. Establish a waterline at the bottom door sill, extending aft from 
      the rear edge of the door about 18 inches.
      2. Measure down 10".
      3. Record the distance from the side of the fuselage at that point out 
      to the surface of the wing.
      
      In the interest of drag reduction, I've been working on a fuselage/wing 
      fillet which mates w/ the standard XS wing fairing just forward of the 
      spar. Of necessity, a portion of this fillet will be attached to the 
      wing, a portion to the flap, and a portion to the fuselage. I am trying 
      to establish the location of the joints, and the extent to which the 
      portion attached to the fuselage can extend beyond the surface of the 
      fuselage without impacting the wing when trailering is the big unknown.
      
      A few pixs below explain the general form this fillet is taking
      
      Your assistance would be much appreciated.
      
      Fred
      A194
      
      
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| Subject:  | A special request | 
      
      
      Hi! Fred.
      You need to take care to allow for wing deflection with your fillet
      fairing and can easily finish up with it too tight making it difficult
      to assemble the wings and causing fretting on the fuselage sies. Too
      loose and you finish up with gaps. Your shapes look good. However take a
      look at my "rendition" at   ......http://www.crix.org.uk  
      Of course I don't know what contribution to drag reduction it makes but
      I believe it saves air run off the flap inboard end with flaps deployed
      to a degree and it blocks off the flap actuating tube slot.
      Regards
      Bob H G-PTAG 
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
      Sent: 25 May 2008 23:25
      Subject: Europa-List: A special request
      
      If anyone has an XS monowheel sitting on a factory-supplied trailer 
      with wings stowed for travel, a yardstick and measuring tape, and a bit 
      of spare time, I have a request. Could you please:
      
      1. Establish a waterline at the bottom door sill, extending aft from 
      the rear edge of the door about 18 inches.
      2. Measure down 10".
      3. Record the distance from the side of the fuselage at that point out 
      to the surface of the wing.
      
      In the interest of drag reduction, I've been working on a fuselage/wing 
      fillet which mates w/ the standard XS wing fairing just forward of the 
      spar. Of necessity, a portion of this fillet will be attached to the 
      wing, a portion to the flap, and a portion to the fuselage. I am trying 
      to establish the location of the joints, and the extent to which the 
      portion attached to the fuselage can extend beyond the surface of the 
      fuselage without impacting the wing when trailering is the big unknown.
      
      A few pixs below explain the general form this fillet is taking
      
      Your assistance would be much appreciated.
      
      Fred
      A194
      
      
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