---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 05/25/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:16 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (JR Gowing) 2. 03:20 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Greg Fuchs (FB)) 3. 04:30 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Carl Pattinson) 4. 04:37 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Carl Pattinson) 5. 09:15 AM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Jeff B) 6. 11:38 AM - FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 (nigel charles) 7. 01:04 PM - Re: europa for sale (karelvranken) 8. 03:15 PM - Re: europa for sale (Tom Friedland) 9. 03:29 PM - A special request (Fred Klein) 10. 11:38 PM - Re: A special request (Robert C Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:34 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Craig I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at t est before next use. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Do nt know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list- server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration d ates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep reco rds and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the mater ial concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample o f the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipa ting to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass brea ks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be assured your m aterial is still good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sendin g you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I go t, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-l ist-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Ara ldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE . As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked f or substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or will ing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux ) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor a nd Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute E pibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doub led the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for mul tiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20 ). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary us er so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shel f life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if un opened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others .. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty a> Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (ra pid epoxy) in the US or Canada=3F If you have, can you forward me their conta ct information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased h as expired. 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It sure WOULD have to be long lasting. I believe that was one year before I was born, or before we landed on the moon. I wouldn't want to date my age and say its OLD per se, but might be too old for Europa work :-) ;-) Greg Fuchs (A050) do not archive _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JR Gowing Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 1:13 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Craig I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at test before next use. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Dont know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron====================== bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c <> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c _____ 23/05/2008 3:36 PM _____ in their emails. Try SPAMfigh - Navigator to browse Un/Subscription, Browse, Chat, FAQ, http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:08 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I have a batch of Redux with an expiry date 1998 (so about 12 yrs old). Not sure why I keep it but do test samples from time to time and apart from the emerald green now being more of a grey green it sets as hard as ever. The mix goes off just fine with no sticky residue. Using a hammer to separate the bond always ends up with the components breaking rather than the Redux. Probably OK as a general adhesive but wouldnt risk it on anything structural. If you had an out of date batch and only needed a couple of small jobs needing Redux it might be worth speaking with Europa. On the non structural bonds (eg: bedding in bolt heads) flox/ resin is often an acceptable substitute but check with Europa first. Its a pity the factory cant supply smaller quantities for repair purposes. Maybe something the Europa club would be willing to look at. It would be possible to split a 2kg tin into 200 or 500 g batches. Just a thought. Carl Pattinson ----- Original Message ----- From: JR Gowing To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 9:12 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Craig I have been using the A420 I got with the kit in about 1966 and believe the conponents are long lasting - but now that you have spoken I will run at test before next use. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 NSW in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2008 11:39 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Yes i did that with mine, but the joints i did all came apart by hand. Dont know but i think that qualifies as a FAIL I just use it for fixing bits around the house now, plenty for that -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Steve Hagar Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 10:22 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I and others have mentioned this before on this site about expiration dates on the Redux. Alot of that is due to how long they want to keep records and liability. If you are concerned about the suitability of the material concerning its expriation date make a test coupon. Make a lap sample of the thickness or number of plies of fiberglass etc that you are anticipating to bond in service and do a destructive test. If the fibereglass breaks or tears before the bond separates you can reasonably be assured your material is still good. Steve Hagar A143 Mesa AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: 5/23/2008 2:01:30 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I dont know about your expiry times Bud, Are you sure they are sending you new batches. Like you I am forced to buy the six quart cases and the last one I got, new from the australian distributor in september 07 and it is quoting an expiry of june 2010 price was much the same $1280 a case of 6 craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 4:14 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Roger, and other Europa Builders in need of Redux also known as Araldite 420 or Epibond 420 A/B. I order Redux in cases direct through my long time distributor TAPE. As there is no other acceptable substitute for Redux, for the Europa and as a result I am still buying it in bulk and shipping it. I have looked for substitutes, and many epoxies are as strong, but none as ductile or willing to be used in aircraft. I have been informed by my US distributor of Epibond 420 A/B (Redux) that the manufacturer, Huntsman Products in California, has restructured their pricing and packaging. I have been in contact with my distributor and Huntsman over the last four months trying to resolve the issue. Gladly, Huntsman has at least changed their policy and have agreed to distribute Epibond 420 in 6 quart cases again. Unfortunately, Huntsman has nearly doubled the price per case with no significant bulk discounts available for multiple cases. I've researched importing fresh Redux from overseas and it is slightly more costly due to the weak dollar and high shipping/hazardous fees. If I order soon, and I can still combine with other distributors I can get 6 quarts for about $280 a quart plus shipping to you (typically $20). Yes, I know that is $120 more than last year. Airbus is the primary user so if anyone knows someone at Airbus that can steal you some and smuggle it into the states, we are stuck with some pretty ugly prices. Delivery is 30-45 days to me so it will all be a fresh batch. Shelf life is a year opened or unopened but usually good for at least two if unopened. I have tentative orders for 2-3 quarts so far. I need three others. Bud Yerly Custom Flight Creations Europa Distributor Cell 813-244-8354 ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Lowe To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 12:09 PM Subject: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Everyone, Has anyone been able to source Araldite 420 and Araldite 2102 (rapid epoxy) in the US or Canada? If you have, can you forward me their contact information. The stuff from my partially completed kit that I have purchased has expired. The stuff I believe is classified as hazardous material for shipping and I'm in Canada so I'll need to find out if the vendor can ship it here too. OR Is there an "approved" alternative that can be used that is readily available in US or Canada? Thanks, Roger Lowe A252 Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org nbsp; Features Chat, --> http://www.matron=================== === bsp; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 23/05/2008 3:36 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- in their emails. Try SPAMfigh ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:54 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty I just checked and the packs are 1.4kg, not 2kg as I believed. In the UK these are available for L80 including tax and shipping. Split into 200g batches would work out at L12 each plus postage. OK, I know that posting is a no no due to them being classed as hazardous chemicals but small batches properly packaged shouldnt be a problem. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:15:03 AM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty Ron, You have an excellent memory. When my Redux played out, I finished the job (wings) with Aeropoxy 6228, mixed with a little flox, then reinforced with a couple of layers of bid, as I did on the fuse joint, which was a Redux joint. Absolutely no problems with any of the joints. The point I was getting to was that, in all joints, using out of date Redux, there have been no problems. I believe the expiry, to a point, is a lawyer thing... :) Sorry for any confusion... Jeff - Baby Blue rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: > > Hi Jeff > > "> That's exactly what I did, Steve, and the material gave way, before the > >> Redux did. My Redux was about 5 years old, when tested. Baby Blue >> shows no signs of weak joints in 400 hours and she was built with this >> glue..." > > I could be wrong, but did you not speak of using another type of adhesive > to stick together your Europa? Perhaps it was only the wing panels or fuse > halves? I think you also mentioned that you reinforced either the wing > panels and or fuse seams with perhaps 2 BID? > > Perhaps it was Aeropoxy structural adhesive?? > > Ron Parigoris > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:47 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: Europa-List: FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 I am not sure whether this email got sent first time around. Apologies if it is a repeat. This is a reminder for anyone considering attending the Lydeway Fly-In this year. There are still a few places left. As this is a strictly PPR fly-in with limited places if you are interested in attending please respond to this email. It isn't necessary to have a flying Europa for this event. In fact a variety of aircraft types adds to the interest of the event so if you have an alternative aircraft we would be pleased to welcome you. With that in mind feel free to pass on details of this event to other GA pilots. Regards Nigel Charles ----------------------------------------- LYDEWAY BBQ/FLY-IN 2008 The Lydeway BBQ/Fly-In will be held on Saturday 14th June 2008 with Sunday 15th June as a back-up day in case of bad weather. For those who haven't been to Lydeway before it is a 790m grass strip 11nm south of RAF Lyneham. A BBQ and drinks are provided for free in exchange for a couple of joyride flights for local residents. Due to the numbers of flight movements during the day I need to limit the event to 12-14 aircraft. With that in mind it is strictly PPR and I am now taking bookings. If you are only able to make one or other of the 2 days set aside for the event that is OK as I am taking bookings for both days independently. There will be a weather check at 2000hrs on Friday 14th June and immediately afterwards pilots will be notified by email as to which day the event will go ahead. Anyone interested in attending should contact me at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk or by phone on 01380 860620. Nigel Charles. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:35 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Tom, Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com Tom href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:49 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi Karel Thanks for the note. How do you fly into controlled airspace and to fields with towers? Tom On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken wrote: > Tom, > Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take > away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it > possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* craig bastin > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: europa for sale > > Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like > one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out > virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it > clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep > flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland > *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM > *To:* Europa Forum > *Subject:* Europa-List: europa for sale > > Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while > I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no > longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly > for sale. > N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with > trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. > Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. > 96victor@gmail.com > > Tom > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:29:25 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: A special request From: Fred Klein If anyone has an XS monowheel sitting on a factory-supplied trailer with wings stowed for travel, a yardstick and measuring tape, and a bit of spare time, I have a request. Could you please: 1. Establish a waterline at the bottom door sill, extending aft from the rear edge of the door about 18 inches. 2. Measure down 10". 3. Record the distance from the side of the fuselage at that point out to the surface of the wing. In the interest of drag reduction, I've been working on a fuselage/wing fillet which mates w/ the standard XS wing fairing just forward of the spar. Of necessity, a portion of this fillet will be attached to the wing, a portion to the flap, and a portion to the fuselage. I am trying to establish the location of the joints, and the extent to which the portion attached to the fuselage can extend beyond the surface of the fuselage without impacting the wing when trailering is the big unknown. A few pixs below explain the general form this fillet is taking Your assistance would be much appreciated. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:50 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: A special request Hi! Fred. You need to take care to allow for wing deflection with your fillet fairing and can easily finish up with it too tight making it difficult to assemble the wings and causing fretting on the fuselage sies. Too loose and you finish up with gaps. Your shapes look good. However take a look at my "rendition" at ......http://www.crix.org.uk Of course I don't know what contribution to drag reduction it makes but I believe it saves air run off the flap inboard end with flaps deployed to a degree and it blocks off the flap actuating tube slot. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: 25 May 2008 23:25 Subject: Europa-List: A special request If anyone has an XS monowheel sitting on a factory-supplied trailer with wings stowed for travel, a yardstick and measuring tape, and a bit of spare time, I have a request. Could you please: 1. Establish a waterline at the bottom door sill, extending aft from the rear edge of the door about 18 inches. 2. Measure down 10". 3. Record the distance from the side of the fuselage at that point out to the surface of the wing. In the interest of drag reduction, I've been working on a fuselage/wing fillet which mates w/ the standard XS wing fairing just forward of the spar. Of necessity, a portion of this fillet will be attached to the wing, a portion to the flap, and a portion to the fuselage. I am trying to establish the location of the joints, and the extent to which the portion attached to the fuselage can extend beyond the surface of the fuselage without impacting the wing when trailering is the big unknown. A few pixs below explain the general form this fillet is taking Your assistance would be much appreciated. Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.