---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 05/27/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:00 AM - Re: europa for sale (JR Gowing) 2. 01:12 AM - Re: Europa Trailer Tie Rods (Raimo Toivio) 3. 05:17 AM - Re: europa for sale (joseph brannen) 4. 07:48 AM - Re: toe brakes (ALAN YERLY) 5. 09:03 AM - Absent Charts....? (Robert C Harrison) 6. 09:03 AM - Re: FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 (nigel charles) 7. 09:06 AM - Re: europa for sale (karelvranken) 8. 09:58 AM - Re: tourque tube troubles (Paul Stewart) 9. 10:10 AM - Re: tourque tube troubles (Paul Stewart) 10. 10:23 AM - Re: tourque tube troubles (William Harrison) 11. 10:33 AM - Re: tourque tube troubles (Karl Heindl) 12. 10:47 AM - Re: tourque tube troubles (Karl Heindl) 13. 12:35 PM - Re: europa for sale (Tom Friedland) 14. 01:53 PM - Re: tourque tube troubles (Paul Stewart) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:00:39 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Karel Do you use hearing aids to pep up only the frequencies that you need=3F You m ay be able to use less volume. JR (Bob} Gowing 327 in Oz \\ do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Tom, The mail was not completed and I don't know why it went away from my scre en. So I mailed that I am deaf.... for 30%. I use the Sennheiser ANR headse ts and the volume for the radio is rather hard for normal ears. Sometimes, and especially womens voices, are nearly heard but then I ask to repeat un til I receive the answer in for me understandable volume. Don't be afraid; they will not kick you out of the air. Best regards, Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Friedland To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi Karel Thanks for the note. How do you fly into controlled airspace and to fields with towers=3F Tom On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken wrote: Tom, Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flyi ng. Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa -list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 year s while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I c an no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is relucta ntly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO . 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I have had no problems to use mine. Those purpose-made rods are easily adustable +/- 2". It is much to do w tire pressure and their adjustment. The rubber string is there to prevent opening w/o intention. Please study the attached pic - hope it helps! Wishes, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: MJKTuck@cs.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:36 AM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Trailer Tie Rods Hi Folks, I'm fortunate to have a hangar for my Europa, but I do still use the Europa supplied trailer on occasion - usually to do my annual check, like I did today. I find that I always have a problem getting the tie rods to lock the ramp in place once the aircraft is on the trailer. Today they seem too short. I think it has something to do with the tire pressure. I seem to have run out of adjustment. Have any of you who use the trailer have a better tie rod method which is adjustable once the aircraft is on to 'take up the slack' - a chain maybe, or some other adjustable rod/linkage. Any ideas would be appreciated? Regards, Martin Tuck N152MT Wichita, Kansas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:37 AM PST US From: joseph brannen Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale The hearing aids I use are fitted to enhance frequencies at and near the dead cells. joe --- JR Gowing wrote: > Karel > Do you use hearing aids to pep up only the > frequencies that you need? You may be able to use > less volume. > JR (Bob} Gowing 327 in Oz > \\ > > do not archive > ----- Original Message ----- > From: karelvranken > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:14 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale > > > Tom, > The mail was not completed and I don't know why it > went away from my screen. So I mailed that I am > deaf.... for 30%. I use the Sennheiser ANR headsets > and the volume for the radio is rather hard for > normal ears. Sometimes, and especially womens > voices, are nearly heard but then I ask to repeat > until I receive the answer in for me understandable > volume. Don't be afraid; they will not kick you out > of the air. > Best regards, > Karel Vranken. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tom Friedland > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:12 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale > > > Hi Karel > > > Thanks for the note. > > > > How do you fly into controlled airspace and to > fields with towers? > > > Tom > > > On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken > wrote: > > Tom, > Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor > says: we are not there to take away your licence. > Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it > possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am > deaf > ----- Original Message ----- > From: craig bastin > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM > Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale > > > Surely there is Technological fix that would > allow you to keep flying. Like one of those BOSE or > ZULU ANR headsets to cut out > virtually all background noise and turn the > radio way up so you can hear it clearly. Sure they > are not cheap but if it lets you keep > flying, assuming you want to, it could be > worth a look. > -----Original Message----- > From: > owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Tom Friedland > Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM > To: Europa Forum > Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale > > > Yes it hurts. It has been virtually > complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated > my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I > can no longer understand many radio transmissions. > Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. > > > N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, > jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, > coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. > Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a > long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com > > > Tom > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG. > 08 3:23 PM > > > -- > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:20 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: toe brakes Rick, Both pedals go between the rudders with the mounting brackets between the rudders with the horizontal flanges facing one another. I have the old manual with the brakes between the rudders pages with drawings which are quite clear if you need it (Page 33T-3 of the old manual). If you don't have that, I can scan the sheets and send them via email Wed night. Bud Yerly Custom Flight ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Stockton To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: toe brakes I'm in the process of installing my toe brakes, but the book talks about putting the cylinders on the port side of the bracket. I installed the two cylinders between the two bracket supports. Now I'm questioning myself. Any picture out there? I measured the 4 1/2 inches and there does not seem to be enought room to put the left brake cyinder on the outside of the bracket. Any help would be nice. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:06 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: Europa-List: Absent Charts....? Hi! All Sure sign of memory loss...........Please own up who borrowed my Swedish Charts? I need them urgently. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:03:07 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 Hi Bryan I do have one pilot who can only make the Saturday so that makes your slot allocation for the Sunday only very easy. Just remind me of your a/c reg and where you are based. Also could I have home/mobile phone numbers. Last year we had a problem with emails not getting through so phone numbers provide a useful backup. A briefing sheet will be sent out at the end of the month. Regards Nigel -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Sent: 26 May 2008 20:12 Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 Hi Nigel, I would love to come, but sadly it cant be the Saturday. Please put me down for Sunday if it turns out that way. Best regards. Bryan _____ From: nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Europa-List: FW: UK/Europe readers only - Lydeway Fly-In 2008 I am not sure whether this email got sent first time around. Apologies if it is a repeat. This is a reminder for anyone considering attending the Lydeway Fly-In this year. There are still a few places left. As this is a strictly PPR fly-in with limited places if you are interested in attending please respond to this email. It isn't necessary to have a flying Europa for this event. In fact a variety of aircraft types adds to the interest of the event so if you have an alternative aircraft we would be pleased to welcome you. With that in mind feel free to pass on details of this event to other GA pilots. Regards Nigel Charles ----------------------------------------- LYDEWAY BBQ/FLY-IN 2008 The Lydeway BBQ/Fly-In will be held on Saturday 14th June 2008 with Sunday 15th June as a back-up day in case of bad weather. For those who haven't been to Lydeway before it is a 790m grass strip 11nm south of RAF Lyneham. A BBQ and drinks are provided for free in exchange for a couple of joyride flights for local residents. Due to the numbers of flight movements during the day I need to limit the event to 12-14 aircraft. With that in mind it is strictly PPR and I am now taking bookings. If you are only able to make one or other of the 2 days set aside for the event that is OK as I am taking bookings for both days independently. There will be a weather check at 2000hrs on Friday 14th June and immediately afterwards pilots will be notified by email as to which day the event will go ahead. Anyone interested in attending should contact me at nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk or by phone on 01380 860620. Nigel Charles. arget=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ E-mail for the greater good. Join the i'm Initiative from Microsoft. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:56 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Bob, No, I have the impression that there is an interference between the hearing aids and the ANR of the headsets. Still hoping that one day use of both might be possible. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: JR Gowing To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:56 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Karel Do you use hearing aids to pep up only the frequencies that you need? You may be able to use less volume. JR (Bob} Gowing 327 in Oz \\ do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:14 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Tom, The mail was not completed and I don't know why it went away from my screen. So I mailed that I am deaf.... for 30%. I use the Sennheiser ANR headsets and the volume for the radio is rather hard for normal ears. Sometimes, and especially womens voices, are nearly heard but then I ask to repeat until I receive the answer in for me understandable volume. Don't be afraid; they will not kick you out of the air. Best regards, Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Friedland To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi Karel Thanks for the note. How do you fly into controlled airspace and to fields with towers? Tom On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken wrote: Tom, Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf ----- Original Message ----- From: craig bastin To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: europa for sale Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Tom Friedland Sent: Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM To: Europa Forum Subject: Europa-List: europa for sale Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly for sale. N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. 96victor@gmail.com Tom href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 26/05/2008 3:23 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- in their emails. Try SPAMfigh ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:03 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles Karl Thanks for the information. Can you tell me where you got suitable material to make a 'full length' TP5? or what sort of material and size it was? Regards Paul G-GIDY On 26 May 2008, at 23:23, Karl Heindl wrote: > > Paul, > > Yes, both disbonded from trailering. > I simply bonded them in again with redux, making sure that there > was enough of a gap all around for the adhesive to go on all > sufaces. I also made a floxed ring on the inside of the rib. > Mounted the tailplanes just far enough for the t.t. to go into the > TP6. > Made sure that no redux would touch the t.t. while curing. > > Years later, with the Mod 73 fiasco, I removed the TP5's with heat > and replaced them with long TP5's > that reach up to the TP6. > > Karl > >
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com > > Subject: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles > > Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:59:08 +0100 > > > > > > > Anyone had TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd like > > to pick your brains. > > > > Regards > > > > Paul > > G-GIDY > > > > ===================== > > ================ > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:03 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles Thank you Ron. Unfortunately our final paint is indeed on. Really dislike the idea of merely gluing it back in place - don't see how it's going to be better. Before embarking on major surgery like yours, we're investigating the possibility of getting the outer edge of TP5 welded to a plate of thinish SS such that when the TP% is bonded back in place the plate sits flat on the root rib to which it could be bonded. If it come to nothing we may go your way. Regards Paul G-GIDY On 27 May 2008, at 03:11, wrote: > > Hi Paul > > "Anyone had TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd like >> to pick your brains." > > My partner and his dad picked up our kit in Florida and trucked it > back to > New York. The first time I saw kit, the first thing I did was begin to > fool with tailplanes. It took 45 minutes to have a TP5 debonded! > Tailplanes were "accelerated". Here is how we dealt with: > http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php? > set_albumName=album220&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view > _album.php > > We did send back and repair was putting a fillet of flox from outside > (April 2003). Unacceptable. Too were worries that the outer > bushings was > bonded as well as the inners which would probably fail right after > final > paint applied. > > "When" our inner and outer bushings become debonded, there will be > a lot > of aeroplane coming with them. > > Note rowing skull CF oars for guide while assembling. I like the > Mod. of > wrapping fiberglass around both bushings on a new build, but not > too easy > to do on a completed tailplane. I would rather see the first layer > of BID > using redux and peelply, then when cured use Aeropoxy/BID to complete. > Redux holds better to metals and its slight flexibility prevents as > harsh > a point loading. Still a fine mod because upon assembly it prevents > tremendous loads being exerted on inner bushing until torque tube > enters > the outer bushing. I do understand the BID encapsulates the bushings, > still first layer of Redux is better IMHO. > > Ron Parigoris > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:23:25 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles I suggest that this problem can also be caused by undue side loads translating into torsional and axial loads on a badly lubricated torque tube when putting the tailplane on or off (easily done especially if you don't hold it the way it says in the user manual). The design is not brilliant, with quite a small area for the bond. Repair could be difficult if the original internal flox fillet prevents the disbonded sleeve from being removed completely for degreasing. Note that if you do need to degrease in situ prior to rebonding, then IPA is an effective degreasing agent that does not dissolve the blue foam like some other solvents. Needless to say (??) anyone with a G-reg aircraft who wants to go public about such a problem might need their repair scheme to be approved by the LAA if they didn't want to risk invalidating their Permit, and therefore, in turn, their insurance. Willie Harrison (too tired to write the book, "A Plane is Reborn" and still waiting for the LAA to give me my Permit back after a 700 hr re- build.....) On 26 May 2008, at 21:59, Paul Stewart wrote: > > > Anyone had TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd like > to pick your brains. > > Regards > > Paul > G-GIDY > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:21 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles Paul, There was a discussion about this a few months ago. I used a T6 alum inium tube from ACS. Someone pointed out that the interior should be plated with something first, but I can't remember what that process was. I think the reasoning was dissimilar metals and possibility of corrosion. My torque tube is always greased because I have seen corrosion on at least one Europ a, with the regular setup.Being in UK, you may want to check with Roger if their supplier can cut you two longer tubes out of the same material as TP5 and TP6. Karl
From: europa@pstewart.f2s.comSubject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube trouble sDate: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:57:18 +0100To: europa-list@matronics.com; rich@t uckwell.netKarl Thanks for the information. Can you tell me where you got suitable material to make a 'full length' TP5? or what sort of material and size it was? Regards Paul G-GIDY On 26 May 2008, at 23:23, Karl Heindl wrote: Paul, Yes, both disbonded from trailering.I simply bonded them in again wi th redux, making sure that there was enough of a gap all around for the adh esive to go on all sufaces. I also made a floxed ring on the inside of the rib. Mounted the tailplanes just far enough for the t.t. to go into the TP6 .Made sure that no redux would touch the t.t. while curing. Years later, wi th the Mod 73 fiasco, I removed the TP5's with heat and replaced them with long TP5'sthat reach up to the TP6. Karl
> To: europ a-list@matronics.com> From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com> Subject: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:59:08 +0100> > --> Europa- List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > Anyone ha d TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd like > to pick your b rains.> > Regards> > Paul> G-GIDY> > ============ ==========> ============== ===> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:47:11 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles Paul, The order no.is 03-37900. That is 6061T6 tube with i.d. of 1.509 inches. Karl
From: europa@pstewart.f2s.comSubject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube trouble sDate: Tue, 27 May 2008 17:57:18 +0100To: europa-list@matronics.com; rich@t uckwell.netKarl Thanks for the information. Can you tell me where you got suitable material to make a 'full length' TP5? or what sort of material and size it was? Regards Paul G-GIDY On 26 May 2008, at 23:23, Karl Heindl wrote: Paul, Yes, both disbonded from trailering.I simply bonded them in again wi th redux, making sure that there was enough of a gap all around for the adh esive to go on all sufaces. I also made a floxed ring on the inside of the rib. Mounted the tailplanes just far enough for the t.t. to go into the TP6 .Made sure that no redux would touch the t.t. while curing. Years later, wi th the Mod 73 fiasco, I removed the TP5's with heat and replaced them with long TP5'sthat reach up to the TP6. Karl
> To: europ a-list@matronics.com> From: europa@pstewart.f2s.com> Subject: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles> Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 21:59:08 +0100> > --> Europa- List message posted by: Paul Stewart > > Anyone ha d TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd like > to pick your b rains.> > Regards> > Paul> G-GIDY> > ============ ==========> ============== ===> > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:45 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: europa for sale Hi Karel I have a light-speed ANR headset and it works well with my hearing aids and does not have feed-back like my other David Clark headsets do. Tom On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 9:04 AM, karelvranken wrote: > Bob, > No, I have the impression that there is an interference between the hearing > aids and the ANR of the headsets. Still hoping that one day use of both > might be possible. > Karel Vranken. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* JR Gowing > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 9:56 AM > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: europa for sale > > Karel > Do you use hearing aids to pep up only the frequencies that you need? You > may be able to use less volume. > JR (Bob} Gowing 327 in Oz > \\ > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* karelvranken > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 27, 2008 5:14 AM > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: europa for sale > > Tom, > The mail was not completed and I don't know why it went away from my > screen. So I mailed that I am deaf.... for 30%. I use the Sennheiser ANR > headsets and the volume for the radio is rather hard for normal ears. > Sometimes, and especially womens voices, are nearly heard but then I ask to > repeat until I receive the answer in for me understandable volume. Don't be > afraid; they will not kick you out of the air. > Best regards, > Karel Vranken. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Tom Friedland <96victor@gmail.com> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, May 26, 2008 12:12 AM > *Subject:* Re: Europa-List: europa for sale > > Hi Karel > Thanks for the note. > > How do you fly into controlled airspace and to fields with towers? > > Tom > > On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 1:01 PM, karelvranken > wrote: > >> Tom, >> Twice a year I pass a medical and my doctor says: we are not there to take >> away your licence. Today there are a lot of medical cares who make it >> possible that you continue to fly. By the way I am deaf >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> *From:* craig bastin >> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 11:04 PM >> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: europa for sale >> >> Surely there is Technological fix that would allow you to keep flying. >> Like one of those BOSE or ZULU ANR headsets to cut out >> virtually all background noise and turn the radio way up so you can hear >> it clearly. Sure they are not cheap but if it lets you keep >> flying, assuming you want to, it could be worth a look. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Tom Friedland >> *Sent:* Saturday, 24 May 2008 6:17 AM >> *To:* Europa Forum >> *Subject:* Europa-List: europa for sale >> >> Yes it hurts. It has been virtually complete for the past 3 years while >> I contemplated my increasing hearing loss. It is now such that I can no >> longer understand many radio transmissions. Therefore, it is reluctantly >> for sale. >> N96V is an XS mono with Airmaster prop, jabiru 120 hp, and comes with >> trailer, ap, radios, coupled gps, and much more. Asking $49,000 or BO. >> Located Ellensburg WA Email me for photos and a long list of extras. >> 96victor@gmail.com >> >> Tom >> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* >> >> *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* >> >> > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > *href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > ------------------------------ > 26/05/2008 3:23 PM > > > ------------------------------ > in their emails. > Try SPAMfigh > > *href="* *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com* > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:53:43 PM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Re: Europa-List: tourque tube troubles Thank you Bob. Making a puller to pull the offending articles out. Investigating (with LAA) possibility of welding plate or tabs to the TP5 which would then bond flat to the root rib as well as TP5 in the plywood. Regards Paul G-GIDY On 27 May 2008, at 18:20, William Harrison wrote: > > > I suggest that this problem can also be caused by undue side loads > translating into torsional and axial loads on a badly lubricated > torque tube when putting the tailplane on or off (easily done > especially if you don't hold it the way it says in the user manual). > > The design is not brilliant, with quite a small area for the bond. > Repair could be difficult if the original internal flox fillet > prevents the disbonded sleeve from being removed completely for > degreasing. Note that if you do need to degrease in situ prior to > rebonding, then IPA is an effective degreasing agent that does not > dissolve the blue foam like some other solvents. > > Needless to say (??) anyone with a G-reg aircraft who wants to go > public about such a problem might need their repair scheme to be > approved by the LAA if they didn't want to risk invalidating their > Permit, and therefore, in turn, their insurance. > > Willie Harrison (too tired to write the book, "A Plane is Reborn" > and still waiting for the LAA to give me my Permit back after a 700 > hr re-build.....) > > > On 26 May 2008, at 21:59, Paul Stewart wrote: > >> >> >> Anyone had TP5 disbond from the tail plane root rib? If so I'd >> like to pick your brains. >> >> Regards >> >> Paul >> G-GIDY >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.