---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/06/08: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:10 AM - Re: Le Touquet (Pete Lawless) 2. 12:18 AM - Re: Le Touquet (tony.bale@virgin.net) 3. 01:11 AM - Re: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing (JR Gowing) 4. 04:18 AM - Re: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing (Raimo Toivio) 5. 04:47 AM - Re: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing (h&jeuropa) 6. 09:18 AM - there are pilots who have and .... (josok) 7. 12:13 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (Fred Klein) 8. 12:34 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (Robert Borger) 9. 12:56 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (karelvranken) 10. 01:26 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 11. 01:36 PM - Re: Le Touquet (tony.bale@virgin.net) 12. 03:12 PM - Re: Le Touquet (Pete Lawless) 13. 04:06 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (Karl Heindl) 14. 04:34 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (JR Gowing) 15. 09:26 PM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:21 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Hi Tony The VAT certificate comes in when you have a non EU registered aeroplane (N reg for example). You need to prove to the French customs that VAT has been paid on the aeroplane in the EU, otherwise they will demand payment. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 05 June 2008 23:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Le Touquet Tony, Transponders are required in class D airspace in France. However Le Touquet itself has no radar so I strongly suspect that you would get away with it, and could in any case claim that you thought it was working. Officially from this year you need mode S to travel anywhere in Europe, although most countries including France, have not yet ratified the new regulations. I have no VAT certificate and am not awareof the need to have one. The PFA quotes schedule 11 of the ANO saying that the following documents should be carried on international flights: Certificate of registration Permit to Fly & Certificate of Validity Aircraft Radio License Flight crew Licenses Procedures to follow if intercepted It has always seemed wise to me to take a copy of your insurance certificate and also a noise certificate if you have one. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet David, We are thinking about going to Letouquet this weekend (weather permitting) but are a little concerned about VAT certificates etc as we do not hold such a document - any thoughts? also our Transponder is not currently functioning, and it is some time since I have been, do you know if one is mandatory? Thanks for any words of wisdom. Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: David Joyce davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Le Touquet Saturday 28 June 2008 The trip to Le Touquet usually organised by theEuropa Club isn't happening this year, so I am opening the Gloucester Strut Le Touquet trip to anyone in the Europa fraternity who may be interested. A detailed briefing sheet is available which aims to provide anyone who has yet to cross the Channel with all the information needed to be able to face it with confidence. I can also probably (depending a bit on where the plane originates) arrange for me or someone to fly in loose formation with any 'Channel Virgin' who would welcome that sort of support. Experienced travellers are of course also welcome to come for the fun of it or to pick up some wine or a French tarte! The Strut trip will start from Gloucester or thereabouts and aim to be in Le Touquet by 12.30 local time (11.30 BST). There we normally rent bikes at the airfield and trundle gently into town for a fine Seafood lunch. Anyone potentially interested please contact me off forum and I will send full briefing details. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on MicrosoftR Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:37 AM PST US From: "tony.bale@virgin.net" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Le Touquet Thanks for that David, weather permitting we will pop over tomorrow. Regards Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: David Joyce davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Re: Europa-List: Le Touquet Tony, Transponders are required in class D airspace in France. However Le Touquet itself has no radar so I strongly suspect that you would get away with it, and could in any case claim that you thought it was working. Officially from this year you need mode S to travel anywhere in Europe, although most countries including France, have not yet ratified the new regulations. I have no VAT certificate and am not awareof the need to have one. The PFA quotes schedule 11 of the ANO saying that the following documents should be carried on international flights: Certificate of registration Permit to Fly & Certificate of Validity Aircraft Radio License Flight crew Licenses Procedures to follow if intercepted It has always seemed wise to me to take a copy of your insurance certificate and also a noise certificate if you have one. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet David, We are thinking about going to Letouquet this weekend (weather permitting) but are a little concerned about VAT certificates etc as we do not hold such a document - any thoughts? also our Transponder is not currently functioning, and it is some time since I have been, do you know if one is mandatory? Thanks for any words of wisdom. Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: David Joyce davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Le Touquet Saturday 28 June 2008 The trip to Le Touquet usually organised by theEuropa Club isn't happening this year, so I am opening the Gloucester Strut Le Touquet trip to anyone in the Europa fraternity who may be interested. A detailed briefing sheet is available which aims to provide anyone who has yet to cross the Channel with all the information needed to be able to face it with confidence. I can also probably (depending a bit on where the plane originates) arrange for me or someone to fly in loose formation with any 'Channel Virgin' who would welcome that sort of support. Experienced travellers are of course also welcome to come for the fun of it or to pick up some wine or a French tarte! The Strut trip will start from Gloucester or thereabouts and aim to be in Le Touquet by 12.30 local time (11.30 BST). There we normally rent bikes at the airfield and trundle gently into town for a fine Seafood lunch. Anyone potentially interested please contact me off forum and I will send full briefing details. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on Microsoft Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com What can On Demand Business Solutions do for you? http://link.mail2web.com/Business/SharePoint ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:11:04 AM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing Dear David You have no doubt solved your sight tube composition request long ago but as I remember it now it was to be Polyurethane. JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 sanding wings in Oz. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing > > Jim & Heather. > > I've had no luck with any of the flexible plastic tubing. > As far as possible, I have replaced it with auto fuel injector hose. > > Aircraft Spruce list clear PVC pipe, used in Quickie as fuel level gauge, > p/n 03-54100, > however the diameter is larger, and I could not see an easy way of > plumbing it in > without risking a further source of fuel leakage. > > Dave > On 8-May-08, at 2:16 PM, h&jeuropa wrote: > >> >> During the repair of our Europa, I replaced the fuel system tubing and >> sight gauge tubing which was original. It was getting hard and >> discolored. I used Tygon F4040 tubing which the data sheet says is >> gasoline tolerent. >> >> After doing all that, I had reason to inspect a section of Tygon F4040 >> that serves as the siphon hose in the main fuel tank when the Europa Aux >> fuel tank is fitted. That Tygon was discolored and quite hard after >> being in place for a couple of years. This is making me wonder about my >> use of it elsewhere in the fuel system. >> >> What tubing have others used with success for fuel tank venting and fuel >> sight gauge? >> >> Thanks >> >> Jim & Heather >> N241BW >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181965#181965 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Release Date: 8/05/2008 5:24 PM > -- ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:57 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing Hi The nicest Fuel Sight Gauge Tubing I have ever seen is in Steve Pitts Europa Tri-Gear G-SMDH. It is like pro aerofactory made with alu collar. Safe and beautiful. I saw it here in Finland couple of days ago but was so impressed did not understand to take a pic of it. Ask him more details! Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "JR Gowing" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing > > Dear David > > You have no doubt solved your sight tube composition request long ago but > as I remember it now it was to be Polyurethane. > > JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 sanding wings in Oz. > > do not archive > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david miller" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 12:15 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing > > > > > > Jim & Heather. > > > > I've had no luck with any of the flexible plastic tubing. > > As far as possible, I have replaced it with auto fuel injector hose. > > > > Aircraft Spruce list clear PVC pipe, used in Quickie as fuel level gauge, > > p/n 03-54100, > > however the diameter is larger, and I could not see an easy way of > > plumbing it in > > without risking a further source of fuel leakage. > > > > Dave > > On 8-May-08, at 2:16 PM, h&jeuropa wrote: > > > >> > >> During the repair of our Europa, I replaced the fuel system tubing and > >> sight gauge tubing which was original. It was getting hard and > >> discolored. I used Tygon F4040 tubing which the data sheet says is > >> gasoline tolerent. > >> > >> After doing all that, I had reason to inspect a section of Tygon F4040 > >> that serves as the siphon hose in the main fuel tank when the Europa Aux > >> fuel tank is fitted. That Tygon was discolored and quite hard after > >> being in place for a couple of years. This is making me wonder about my > >> use of it elsewhere in the fuel system. > >> > >> What tubing have others used with success for fuel tank venting and fuel > >> sight gauge? > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> Jim & Heather > >> N241BW > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Read this topic online here: > >> > >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=181965#181965 > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Release Date: 8/05/2008 5:24 PM > > > > > -- > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:40 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuel Sight Gague Tubing From: "h&jeuropa" The factory supplied sight gauge tubing is polyurethane. After a couple of years I noted that it was getting quite hard. I searched the Tygon website and discovered "fuel line" tubing, Tygon 4040. I changed out the tubing in our Europa to that during our rebuild. I later discovered that Tygon 4040 was supplied with the Long Range tank, and the length of it installed in our main tank had become quite hard and opaque! Back to the Tygon website. There I found Tygon SE 200 which is PVC with a Teflon liner. Other web searches revealed that Teflon is the preferred material to resist gasoline. I purchased samples of Tygon SE200, 4040, Tygothane C210A (polyurethane without plasticizers) and Tygon 2075 (high chemical resistance) that I have been testing for about 3 weeks so far. I filled a 6 inch length of each with auto gasoline and sealed both ends. SE200 has lost the least amount of gasoline so far, about 1". 4040 has lost 4" and C210A has lost 3". 2075 was empty the next day! I also put short pieces of each in a jar of gasoline. 4040 and C210A haven't shown any change yet. SE200 the PVC has shrunk leaving a portion of the Teflon sleeve exposed at each end. 2075 has swelled up from it's original 1/4" ID to more than 3/8" ID. My conclusion so far, is SE200 is the best for a sight gauge or any application where fuel will not be in contact with the outside. Tygothane C210A is probably best where fuel will be in contact with the outside. This is based on my experience with 4040. I'm continuing the testing to see long term effects. All of the Tygon tubing is available from McMaster. Hope this helps. Jim & Heather N241BW getting close to flying again Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=186467#186467 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:18:10 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... From: "josok" Hi All, Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast! Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... From: Fred Klein > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. Jos...my condolences, and thanks for your candor. Please do give us some more info when you've had a chance to sort it out. With the flaps coupled w/ the LG, I've hoped I would be immune to such an occurrence ...I suspect you can give some perspective to such naive thinking on my part. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:37 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos, My most sincere condolences. Glad to hear no one was hurt and damage was minimal. Check six, Bob Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2008, at 11:14, josok wrote: > > Hi All, > > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. > Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of > smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with > forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, > and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be > flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. > It's fantastic to get help so fast! > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:36 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos, An accident or incident is always a build up of coincidences where you have 50% possibility to end up at the bad side. Believe me I more than once was lucky and can easily imagine your misfortune. May you find the courage to repaire your beauty. Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "josok" Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 6:14 PM Subject: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... > > Hi All, > > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. > Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller > mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put > the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to > the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of > an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast! > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:01 PM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos- Sorry to hear it and glad that everyone is OK. There are three kinds of retractable pilots: 1) Those that have, 2) Those that will, 3) Those that will again. The fact that you could fly it home says a lot about both the plane and your build. Jim Puglise -------------- Original message -------------- From: "josok" > > Hi All, > > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. > Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller > mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put the > gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to the plane is > minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of an other Europa > from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast! > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > >
Jos-
 
Sorry to hear it and glad that everyone is OK.  There are three kinds of retractable pilots:  1)  Those that have, 2) Those that will, 3) Those that will again.  The fact that you could fly it home says a lot about both the plane and your build.
 
Jim Puglise
 
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________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:33 PM PST US From: "tony.bale@virgin.net" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Pete, how do you do that, does it mean you need all the receipts for the build? Regards Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: Pete Lawless pete@lawless.info Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Hi Tony The VAT certificate comes in when you have a non EU registered aeroplane (N reg for example). You need to prove to the French customs that VAT has been paid on the aeroplane in the EU, otherwise they will demand payment. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 05 June 2008 23:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Le Touquet Tony, Transponders are required in class D airspace in France. However Le Touquet itself has no radar so I strongly suspect that you would get away with it, and could in any case claim that you thought it was working. Officially from this year you need mode S to travel anywhere in Europe, although most countries including France, have not yet ratified the new regulations. I have no VAT certificate and am not awareof the need to have one. The PFA quotes schedule 11 of the ANO saying that the following documents should be carried on international flights: Certificate of registration Permit to Fly & Certificate of Validity Aircraft Radio License Flight crew Licenses Procedures to follow if intercepted It has always seemed wise to me to take a copy of your insurance certificate and also a noise certificate if you have one. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet David, We are thinking about going to Letouquet this weekend (weather permitting) but are a little concerned about VAT certificates etc as we do not hold such a document - any thoughts? also our Transponder is not currently functioning, and it is some time since I have been, do you know if one is mandatory? Thanks for any words of wisdom. Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: David Joyce davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Le Touquet Saturday 28 June 2008 The trip to Le Touquet usually organised by theEuropa Club isn't happening this year, so I am opening the Gloucester Strut Le Touquet trip to anyone in the Europa fraternity who may be interested. A detailed briefing sheet is available which aims to provide anyone who has yet to cross the Channel with all the information needed to be able to face it with confidence. I can also probably (depending a bit on where the plane originates) arrange for me or someone to fly in loose formation with any 'Channel Virgin' who would welcome that sort of support. Experienced travellers are of course also welcome to come for the fun of it or to pick up some wine or a French tarte! The Strut trip will start from Gloucester or thereabouts and aim to be in Le Touquet by 12.30 local time (11.30 BST). There we normally rent bikes at the airfield and trundle gently into town for a fine Seafood lunch. Anyone potentially interested please contact me off forum and I will send full briefing details. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on MicrosoftR Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft Windows and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:02 PM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Tony you are making things too complicated. If you are on the UK register then they simply assume that VAT has been paid in the UK. You will be most unlikely to even see a customs man let alone talk to one. It is only going to be a problem if your aeroplane in not EU registered. Have a good lunch. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony.bale@virgin.net Sent: 06 June 2008 21:34 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Pete, how do you do that, does it mean you need all the receipts for the build? Regards Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: Pete Lawless pete@lawless.info Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet Hi Tony The VAT certificate comes in when you have a non EU registered aeroplane (N reg for example). You need to prove to the French customs that VAT has been paid on the aeroplane in the EU, otherwise they will demand payment. Regards Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce Sent: 05 June 2008 23:35 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Le Touquet Tony, Transponders are required in class D airspace in France. However Le Touquet itself has no radar so I strongly suspect that you would get away with it, and could in any case claim that you thought it was working. Officially from this year you need mode S to travel anywhere in Europe, although most countries including France, have not yet ratified the new regulations. I have no VAT certificate and am not awareof the need to have one. The PFA quotes schedule 11 of the ANO saying that the following documents should be carried on international flights: Certificate of registration Permit to Fly & Certificate of Validity Aircraft Radio License Flight crew Licenses Procedures to follow if intercepted It has always seemed wise to me to take a copy of your insurance certificate and also a noise certificate if you have one. Regards, David Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2008 4:16 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Le Touquet David, We are thinking about going to Letouquet this weekend (weather permitting) but are a little concerned about VAT certificates etc as we do not hold such a document - any thoughts? also our Transponder is not currently functioning, and it is some time since I have been, do you know if one is mandatory? Thanks for any words of wisdom. Tony. Original Message: ----------------- From: David Joyce davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk Subject: Europa-List: Le Touquet Saturday 28 June 2008 The trip to Le Touquet usually organised by theEuropa Club isn't happening this year, so I am opening the Gloucester Strut Le Touquet trip to anyone in the Europa fraternity who may be interested. A detailed briefing sheet is available which aims to provide anyone who has yet to cross the Channel with all the information needed to be able to face it with confidence. I can also probably (depending a bit on where the plane originates) arrange for me or someone to fly in loose formation with any 'Channel Virgin' who would welcome that sort of support. Experienced travellers are of course also welcome to come for the fun of it or to pick up some wine or a French tarte! The Strut trip will start from Gloucester or thereabouts and aim to be in Le Touquet by 12.30 local time (11.30 BST). There we normally rent bikes at the airfield and trundle gently into town for a fine Seafood lunch. Anyone potentially interested please contact me off forum and I will send full briefing details. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Enhanced email for the mobile individual based on MicrosoftR Exchange - http://link.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium MicrosoftR WindowsR and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Houxou, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:08 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos, You are a brave man, telling us all about it. Especially, since you are suc h a perfectionist. Hope you get it fixed in no time. Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: there are pilots who have a nd ....> From: josok-e@ukolo.fi> Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:14:34 +0300> To: sok-e@ukolo.fi>> > Hi All,> > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed w ith gear up. > Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with for getting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also th e damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with t he prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast!> > Regards,> > Jos Okhuijsen> > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwner ======> > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:47 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos! That's all it takes - a few extaneous things happening in the circuit and you forget.- I did all my glider checks one time - only in my head- the got to a metre from the ground whe Ib Braes shouted in the radio "Bob - The Wheel" and just saved me rippping off the UC doors. Hoope we both don' t do it again! JR (Bob) Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: Karl Heindl To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2008 9:02 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos, You are a brave man, telling us all about it. Especially, since you are such a perfectionist. Hope you get it fixed in no time. Karl
> Subject: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... > From: josok-e@ukolo.fi > Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 19:14:34 +0300 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > Hi All, > > Well, to let you know that i did it, landed with gear up. > Just plain stupidity of course. As always, there was a build up of smaller mistakes, which should have warned me. But it ended with forgetting to put the gear down. The good thing is we walked away, and also the damage to the plane is minor. It looks like i will be flying home, with the prop of an other Europa from Kjell Skogeland. It's fantastic to get help so fast! > > Regards, > > Jos Okhuijsen > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ========================> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 5/06/2008 6:29 PM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:08 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and .... Jos, Really sorry to learn of your mishap. On the bright side though, you have awakened everybody on the list ! Hope you are up and away again very soon. Cheers Kingsley do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.