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1. 01:55 AM - Re: DOTH - UK pilots only (rick)
2. 02:06 AM - Re: DOTH - UK pilots only (Trevpond@aol.com)
3. 08:14 AM - Re: DOTH - UK pilots only (nigel charles)
4. 08:27 AM - Re: DOTH - UK pilots only (nigel charles)
5. 10:41 AM - Re: DOTH - UK pilots only (Trevpond@aol.com)
6. 10:49 AM - DOTH tomorrow (nigel charles)
7. 11:38 AM - Re: DOTH tomorrow Sturgate (Bryan Allsop)
8. 11:52 AM - Re: DOTH tomorrow (Bryan Allsop)
9. 12:19 PM - Re: DOTH tomorrow (nigel charles)
10. 12:23 PM - Re: DOTH tomorrow (josok)
11. 01:04 PM - Re: FW: For Andy (Raimo Toivio)
12. 02:19 PM - DOTH to Beverley (Bryan Allsop)
13. 02:36 PM - First time in the history (Raimo Toivio)
14. 02:41 PM - Re: CBs & lightning (Raimo Toivio)
15. 03:21 PM - Re: FW: For Andy (Robert C Harrison)
16. 03:42 PM - Re: Re: Europa-List914 Overheating/boiling (Jeff B)
17. 11:03 PM - First Flight (A B Milne)
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| Subject: | DOTH - UK pilots only |
I'd love to but got to work.
Thanks for a great day again. Your field is coming along beautifully.
Yours friends and neighbours seemed to enjoy it all to.
See you soon
Best Wishes
Rick
PS I think we must get Gerry and Paddy sectioned!.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nigel charles
Sent: 15 June 2008 16:39
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH - UK pilots only
Anyone for a DOTH on Tuesday?
Nigel Charles
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH - UK pilots only |
Hi Paddy,
Are you going somewhere?
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | DOTH - UK pilots only |
Hi Rick
Thanks for your support.
Hope you got back OK and your ignition system problems are solved.
When I circulated the following emails I only had your old email address
so they didn't get through so here they are again.
Regards
Nigel
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I would like to thank all of you for participating in the Lydeway
BBQ/Fly-In. You made a lot of people very happy. Everyone who wanted to
get a flight this year got airborne. It was particularly helpful that
there were two 4 seaters as there were a few youngsters who needed the
reassurance of their parent to go flying. The ratio of aircraft to local
guests was easier this year. We had 15 aircraft which is the highest
ever and I think it proved to be a sensible maximum for future years.
You all operated very professionally, helping to keep this a safe and
enjoyable event. Whilst I can help to coordinate movements on the ground
and arrange relative priorites for ground and airborne traffic, the
ultimate safety in the air is down to you guys and I thank you for a
good job well done. The event raised =A3150 for the MS charity and it
was
particulary nice to see that two pilots were able to take an MS guest
airborne. The sense of freedom this gave when otherwise stuck in a
wheelchair was much appreciated. It was also good to have the police
helicopter visit. After several years of offering, this was the first
time they were able to find a gap in their busy schedule. Sadly as the
ambulance funding from the NHS is now in doubt it may be the last time
we see them at the event.
The parking layout was not quite optimised for so many aircraft. This
was the first year that we had enough space to create a 'ramp' area. It
is a matter of chance as to the length of the field grass at the time of
the event. In retrospect we should have widened it to make it easier to
taxy in an out. As it was most of you managed to arrange your
positioning to optimise ground movements. I will take this on board for
next year's event. If anyone has any suggestions as to how to improve
things, particularly from the aviator's perspective, please let me know.
Unless anyone tells me other wise I will keep you all on my email list
for when it comes time to publicise next year's fly-in.
Thanks again. Enjoy your flying.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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I have been asked to include a short article about the Lydeway
BBQ/Fly-In for the Europa Club magazine. Do any of you have any digital
photos of the event that they could let me have a copy of?
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | DOTH - UK pilots only |
For anyone thinking of joining us, Cathy and I are intending to fly to
Sturgate tomorrow (Tuesday). In case of changes of plan we will be
contactable on 01380 860620 or 0776 4579 860 until 10am. So far just
Pete and Sue Jeffers have shown interest. Paddy might come but he is
having some difficulty getting unleaded fuel for his aircraft due to the
tanker drivers strike.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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Trevpond@aol.com
Sent: 16 June 2008 10:01
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH - UK pilots only
Hi Paddy,
Are you going somewhere?
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH - UK pilots only |
Hi Nigel,
I'm in for it!
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Change of plan. I am told there is no restaurant at Sturgate and I
haven't researched whether there is a pub nearby. Also some pilots in
the south are having problems getting fuel. Also the weather is looking
a bit better in the south so we are now looking at Sandown. Although the
restaurant has burnt down we have potential transport for a few people
as Pete Jeffers has a car there. If too many want to attend we can
change the destination at last minute to Bembridge where there is food.
Anyone interested please contact me so we have an idea of numbers.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | DOTH tomorrow Sturgate |
There was a restaurant there last time I went.
Bryan
From: nwcmc@tiscali.co.ukTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-List:
DOTH tomorrowDate: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:46:12 +0100
Change of plan. I am told there is no restaurant at Sturgate and I haven't
researched whether there is a pub nearby. Also some pilots in the south are
having problems getting fuel. Also the weather is looking a bit better in
the south so we are now looking at Sandown. Although the restaurant has bur
nt down we have potential transport for a few people as Pete Jeffers has a
car there. If too many want to attend we can change the destination at last
minute to Bembridge where there is food. Anyone interested please contact
me so we have an idea of numbers.
Regards
Nigel
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I have checked ,and you are probably correct about Sturgate now.
I really would like to Drop my Hat tomorrow, but Sandown on the Isle of Wig
ht could be too much of a reach for me. Isn't there anywhere more central?
Best regards.
Bryan
From: nwcmc@tiscali.co.ukTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-List:
DOTH tomorrowDate: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:46:12 +0100
Change of plan. I am told there is no restaurant at Sturgate and I haven't
researched whether there is a pub nearby. Also some pilots in the south are
having problems getting fuel. Also the weather is looking a bit better in
the south so we are now looking at Sandown. Although the restaurant has bur
nt down we have potential transport for a few people as Pete Jeffers has a
car there. If too many want to attend we can change the destination at last
minute to Bembridge where there is food. Anyone interested please contact
me so we have an idea of numbers.
Regards
Nigel
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Sorry Bryan we have already decided to go for Sandown. Pete knows a good
restaurant there and has transport from the field. Changing it at this
stage is getting too complicated. Had I known earlier that you were in
the frame we could have chosen something more central. Perhaps we will
catch up with you on a later DOTH. Your choice next time.
Regards
Nigel
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan
Allsop
Sent: 16 June 2008 19:49
Subject: RE: Europa-List: DOTH tomorrow
I have checked ,and you are probably correct about Sturgate now.
I really would like to Drop my Hat tomorrow, but Sandown on the Isle of
Wight could be too much of a reach for me. Isn't there anywhere more
central?
Best regards.
Bryan
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From: nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH tomorrow
Change of plan. I am told there is no restaurant at Sturgate and I
haven't researched whether there is a pub nearby. Also some pilots in
the south are having problems getting fuel. Also the weather is looking
a bit better in the south so we are now looking at Sandown. Although the
restaurant has burnt down we have potential transport for a few people
as Pete Jeffers has a car there. If too many want to attend we can
change the destination at last minute to Bembridge where there is food.
Anyone interested please contact me so we have an idea of numbers.
Regards
Nigel
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH tomorrow |
There was food available at Sandown, last time i visited, from kind of a trailer
behind the fire damaged restaurant the last time i visited there :-)
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: FW: For Andy |
"force needed near one of the extremities is beyond what i can produce"
sounds in my ears like "would become uncontrollable" ;)
My plane:
I need almost full trim to nose down position when cruising in or near max cruising
speed.
During take offs and landings I trim to "neutral" postion.
That means I never use trim between neutral and max nose upp position.
My neutral is a real neutral ie. trim tabs and stabilators are levelled then.
Would like to know what happens if I trim max nose upp during 70 kts clean or dirty?
If no answers, I will test during my next flight some day.
Problem: I am afraid I am strong enough to broke the controls.
As well as Jos asked, opinions please!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Europa-List: FW: For Andy
>
> Words change while being transferred, i have never stated "would become uncontrollable
in pitch" What i told Raimo was that the force needed near one of the
extremities is beyond what i can produce from a given point to a safe landing.
I would appreciate the opinion of others who have run a full test program.
They are all different, is it my plane only?
>
> Regards
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
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| Subject: | DOTH to Beverley |
Hi Folks,
Since Sandown is a step too far for some of us who are not located down tha
t way, Roger Mills and I are having our own Doth at Beverley tomorrow ( Tue
sday). All welcome with a mominal arrival at mid-day.
Happy flying.
Bryan
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| Subject: | First time in the history |
All The Finnish Europas in the same hangary!
Raimo
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| Subject: | Re: CBs & lightning |
Ferg,
One friend - a Learjet pilot who I respect - said his minimum is 50 km.
That is like your 25 miles.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
>
> FWIW:
> Many years ago, a wise old owl (now with the angels) said he had
> many lightning strikes while delivering heavies over the Indian and Pacific
> oceans, some of which caused mayhem and some of which were nominal. In EVERY
> case he was within 25 miles of a thunderstorm - CB .
> He eventually clicked and refused vehemently (Air Traffic
> instructions or no) to come within 25 miles (on the radar by then) - and
> never had another. His limit (and then mine) is 25 miles clear of a
> thunderstorm below freezing level and 40 miles above that because of jet
> wind dispersal of hail from anvil tops. I spent many an hour guessing at
> distances when I had airborne radar to play with since I knew one day I'd go
> without. We don't need to fuss too much here over in winter as CBs don't
> convene and FZ of 18k is mostly above our need - but summertime my minimum
> goes to 25 miles no matter what the challenge.
> JMF - just my feelings.
> Ferg
> A064
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Hi! Raimo.
I have some limited experience with the trim system "going out of
sync..." Since it was initially thought to be a wiring problem I endured
it for a while with discussions ensuing with the trim controller
company.
The problem appeared to be that the system would not reverse until it
reached fully to the maximum limit. Initially I would hold the pitch
control and be brave enough to operate the trim motor to the maximum
deflection point and then it would reverse. I then really desperately
tried not to trim back for it to happen again. During all these test
circumstances I was most concerned for the strength of the trim system
and ultimately getting caught out trying to land in the failed mode.
Finally I used to let the aircraft fly with the maximum trim out
location hands off.. until the control was able to reverse. The Ray
Allen Company then got to do some serious reasoning about the problem
and asked me to return the motor and the control unit to them. They
tested out the motor and their relay deck and discovered a fault in the
relay deck and replaced it free of charge. I've had no problems since.
Of course by not resisting the forces the control system was not
stressed however it would have been impossible to land.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo
Toivio
Sent: 16 June 2008 21:15
Subject: Re: Europa-List: FW: For Andy
"force needed near one of the extremities is beyond what i can produce"
sounds in my ears like "would become uncontrollable" ;)
My plane:
I need almost full trim to nose down position when cruising in or near
max cruising speed.
During take offs and landings I trim to "neutral" postion.
That means I never use trim between neutral and max nose upp position.
My neutral is a real neutral ie. trim tabs and stabilators are levelled
then.
Would like to know what happens if I trim max nose upp during 70 kts
clean or dirty?
If no answers, I will test during my next flight some day.
Problem: I am afraid I am strong enough to broke the controls.
As well as Jos asked, opinions please!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 10:49 PM
Subject: Europa-List: FW: For Andy
>
> Words change while being transferred, i have never stated "would
become uncontrollable in pitch" What i told Raimo was that the force
needed near one of the extremities is beyond what i can produce from a
given point to a safe landing. I would appreciate the opinion of others
who have run a full test program. They are all different, is it my plane
only?
>
> Regards
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
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> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Europa-List914 Overheating/boiling |
Sorry for the late reply, but here is a possible problem. I have seen,
on occasion, the impeller in a water pump loosen itself from the shaft
and virtually stop pumping fluid. I know it's very rare, but still a
possibility to explore, should you not be able to resolve the issue by
other means...
Jeff - Baby Blue
rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote:
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> Hi G-IANI
>
> "Even with short warm up and taxi it will boil slightly as you clime out"
>
> "Has anyone got any ideas that might help"
>
> Will the system hold 1.2 bar pressure? If pressure drops boiling temp will
> go down. I had a pressure cap on my 1992 Volvo turbo Station Wagon get a
> very small hairline crack perhaps a year ago and what you describe is bout
> what happened to me.
>
> Pretty easy to check are radiator fins restricting? Has any hose or
> fitting changed to cause a restriction?
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> Harder to check, is radiator internal restricting? Is water pump working
> properly?
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> Good Luck
> Ron Parigoris
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> Checked by AVG.
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Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G - CEYK
flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas, just
the interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a test
pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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