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1. 12:38 AM - Re: First Flight (JR Gowing)
2. 01:34 AM - Re: First Flight (William Harrison)
3. 01:48 AM - Re: First Flight (Robert C Harrison)
4. 01:49 AM - Re: DOTH tomorrow (Trevpond@aol.com)
5. 02:01 AM - Re: First Flight (PETER HARROD)
6. 02:03 AM - Re: First Flight (Ivor Phillips)
7. 02:34 AM - Re: First Flight (David Joyce)
8. 02:44 AM - Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!). (David Joyce)
9. 05:03 AM - Re: CBs & lightning (craig bastin)
10. 10:35 AM - CBs & lightning recommended reading. (Pete Lawless)
11. 11:18 AM - Trims (Fergus Kyle)
12. 01:39 PM - Re: First Flight (karelvranken)
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Alasirre
What a combination!
Congratulations on your daring
JR (Bob) Gowing in Oz
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From: A B Milne
To: Europa List
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G - CEYK
flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas, just the
interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a test pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations, Alasdair.
Willie
On 17 Jun 2008, at 06:51, A B Milne wrote:
> Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G -
> CEYK flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No
> dramas, just the interest provided by having myself as builder on
> his first as a test pilot.
>
> Regards
>
> Alasdair Milne
>
>
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Hi! Alisdair.
Very well done and congratulations to all connected with the successful
first flight of G-CEYK.
I should take this opportunity to also announce my admiration for Ivor
Phillips who test flew his new Europa G-IVER for all of seven hours in
one week or thereabouts, collected his Full Permit from Gatwick on the
Thursday having submitted it to the LAA only on the previous Monday
then on the Friday of the same week accompanied me and my brother in
G-PTAG for some 30 hours on a Scandinavian Tour including Barkaby and
Stauning Rally's over the Arctic Circle to Guallivare (ESNG) through
snow showers and lots more that Mother Nature can dream up ! There's
nothing like confidence in ones own creation.. very well done Ivor.
After this trip I am the first to say that when we did our previous ..
Bob's Trip "Over and Closing the Circle" Scandinavian Tour 2003 (Google
.co.uk) WE KNEW NOT WHAT WE DID !
Of course many thanks to the LAA and the Permit Application Department
of the CAA for pulling out all the paperwork stops which allowed this
tour to be also a success.
Regards
To all
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A B Milne
Sent: 17 June 2008 06:52
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G - CEYK
flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas, just
the interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a test
pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH tomorrow |
Sorry Nigel, can't do that one - see you next time.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations Alasdair, the odd wings thankfully did not cause you any
dramas . My build rate is slower than yours and I look forward to my
odd wings performing equally well.
( for other Europaphiles info. the aforementioned odd wings refer to a
kit delivery containing either 2 port or 2 starboard items and we had to
organise a swap)
Happy landings , Regards,
Peter Harrod
----- Original Message -----
From: A B Milne
To: Europa List
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 6:51 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G -
CEYK flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas,
just the interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a
test pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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Well done Alasdair, Its very gratifying being the test pilot on your own
build,
Its just a shame that so much paper work gets in the way of having loads
of fun,
Congratulations
Ivor Phillips
G-IVER
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of A B Milne
Sent: 17 June 2008 06:52
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G - CEYK
flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas, just
the interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a test
pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Alasdair, Many congratulations. You may well have put up a first or at least
become one of a select few in now owning two Europas. Which do you prefer?
Regards, David joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around Barkaby |
Fly-inn Sweden (!).
Raimo, The material I have in mind is aluminium mesh of the sort that could
be used as radiator grills in home built cars. A 5cm strip of this could be
fitted right down the close outs to the rear lift pins and across the
strengthening bar. It would not weigh a lot, but would have conducting
capacity much in excess of Nav light wires (which seem to have served as
lightning conductors for a number of victims), and most importantly would
encourage the course of the strike to be outside structures that matter in
flight - at least that's the way I see it and it appears to be what the UK
CAA experts have said is desirable for gliders. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!).
Thanks David for participation.
> less than a kg. What do you think?
I think those are almost useless, sorry.
I point that is my opinion only.
In the other hand maybe delusion influence will help. Or psychologikal.
When you get a little hits those traps may save your radios etc.
If you get a full strike it is like a bomb and your world will explode.
Some conduits will not help then.
Only help is to stop flying totally - you can be sure then you wont meet
thunder king any more in the plane.
2nd best way is to avoid CBs
3rd best way is to fly by metal plane.
I know one Lancair-builder who wrapped his wonderful composite missile to
the copper net.
He laminated copper net over all the outside surfaces.
The calculated weight penalty with extra epox was about 75 kgs /170 lbs
So he made some kind of faraday cage over his plastic plane - maybe that
helps in some cases.
I estimate a laminated copper cage for Europa will be about 45 kgs /100 lbs.
Some people trust also for "static whics" to protect the plane. I do not
know.
Some people are hunging rubber strings from their cars to prevent travel
sickness.
Some people put an axe under their bed to get boys (I have not and got
"only" girls).
Today I believe there was a high tension between those two thunder centres.
I flied between them.
Sudden heavy rain released it.
We got our electric shocks during the same seconds the rain started.
It was immediately zero visibility fore - few seconds before the visibility
was 20 km or so.
Luckily it was a horisontal strike and so small, that I can be here and
laugh.
Lets call it "Sweet St. Elmos fire" or what so ever.
I have checked carefully my plane and results are as follows:
- broken trim position indicator (led modell).
- broken stbd side pip-pin adhesive cover (almost free).
- black pip-pin head (do not trust it any more).
I my hand there are already a new indicator and a pip-pin from one great
fellow builder.
OH-XRT will fly soon - but far away from CB`s
(you can be sure about that and we all should avoid them, please).
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!).
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Raimo, Congratulations on your cool response (only 150bpm!) and survival!
> I hate lightning. Always find myself thinking about the UK glider
> whose
> wing actually blew apart. In thinking how to prepare my plane for a trip
> to
> Australia (where close encounters with lightning are almost inevitable) I
> came across the attached in a 2001 CAA paper on lightning protection, (the
> earlier pages were all about tin aircraft), which says:
> 4 Gliders. Attention should be given to these aircraft, especially
> those of non metallic structure, and bonding straps should be installed
> between the extremities to conduct any strike away from the flying
> controls.
> A point to remember is that bonding should run as straight as possible
> avoiding loops formed by excess lengths at, for example, transport joints,
> since a lightning strike will jump across any sharp loops or bends.
> Before I head off to Asia, I plan to put aluminium mesh right along
> the aileron and flap close outs joining to the rear lift pin to allow wing
> tip to wing tip lightning travel, and probably also a similar strap from
> the
> engine frame along the tunnel to the tail wheel spring. Would weigh
> probably
> less than a kg. What do you think?
> Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ, Mono XS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:31 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
> Barkaby
> Fly-inn Sweden
>
>
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Depends on if its statute miles or Nautical miles
25 statute miles is roughly 40km
25 Nautical miles is roughly 45km
all the australian charts are in nautical miles so i normally run in them
and Knots for air speed, on the ground its all metric same as you Raimo
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
Ferg,
One friend - a Learjet pilot who I respect - said his minimum is 50 km.
That is like your 25 miles.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
>
> FWIW:
> Many years ago, a wise old owl (now with the angels) said he had
> many lightning strikes while delivering heavies over the Indian and
Pacific
> oceans, some of which caused mayhem and some of which were nominal. In
EVERY
> case he was within 25 miles of a thunderstorm - CB .
> He eventually clicked and refused vehemently (Air Traffic
> instructions or no) to come within 25 miles (on the radar by then) - and
> never had another. His limit (and then mine) is 25 miles clear of a
> thunderstorm below freezing level and 40 miles above that because of jet
> wind dispersal of hail from anvil tops. I spent many an hour guessing at
> distances when I had airborne radar to play with since I knew one day I'd
go
> without. We don't need to fuss too much here over in winter as CBs don't
> convene and FZ of 18k is mostly above our need - but summertime my minimum
> goes to 25 miles no matter what the challenge.
> JMF - just my feelings.
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
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| Subject: | CBs & lightning recommended reading. |
Gentlemen
Given the lively discussion re thunderstorms & lightning may I recommend a
bit of light reading. A little book called 'Severe Weather Flying' by
'Dennis Newton'. It is quite old published in the early '90s but is still
available at my local flying club shop.
I promise you won't fly near storms once you have read it.
Regards
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: 17 June 2008 13:03
Subject: RE: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
Depends on if its statute miles or Nautical miles
25 statute miles is roughly 40km
25 Nautical miles is roughly 45km
all the australian charts are in nautical miles so i normally run in them
and Knots for air speed, on the ground its all metric same as you Raimo
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Tuesday, 17 June 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
Ferg,
One friend - a Learjet pilot who I respect - said his minimum is 50 km.
That is like your 25 miles.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fergus Kyle" <VE3LVO@rac.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2008 9:29 PM
Subject: Europa-List: CBs & lightning
>
> FWIW:
> Many years ago, a wise old owl (now with the angels) said he had
> many lightning strikes while delivering heavies over the Indian and
Pacific
> oceans, some of which caused mayhem and some of which were nominal. In
EVERY
> case he was within 25 miles of a thunderstorm - CB .
> He eventually clicked and refused vehemently (Air Traffic
> instructions or no) to come within 25 miles (on the radar by then) - and
> never had another. His limit (and then mine) is 25 miles clear of a
> thunderstorm below freezing level and 40 miles above that because of jet
> wind dispersal of hail from anvil tops. I spent many an hour guessing at
> distances when I had airborne radar to play with since I knew one day I'd
go
> without. We don't need to fuss too much here over in winter as CBs don't
> convene and FZ of 18k is mostly above our need - but summertime my minimum
> goes to 25 miles no matter what the challenge.
> JMF - just my feelings.
> Ferg
> A064
>
>
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Just a cautionary note:
Some newer aviators occasionally make the approach with the aircraft
pitch-trimmed for round-out on landing. That makes it easier for leisurely
arrivals.
However, some aircraft (not the Europa apparently) are very
difficult to control in pitch if a baulked landing is called for - as in
somebody enters the runway ahead of you and go-around is necessary. When the
pitch trim motor is slow, the move to full overshoot power produces an
unexpected nose-up surge. While the Europa seems to provide sufficient
leverage to overcome this mis-trim, it takes swift reaction not to be
overwhelmed (the action is as quick as the throttle moves). Many a surprised
Lysander driver has looped on go-around - stings a bit.
I'll be trimming for go-around and compensating during round-out.
Besides, slight out-of-trim produces a more sensitive feel on the stick and
thus supports increased accuracy.
Cheers,
Ferg
PS: Corollary: Where should the trim be during engine failure on takeoff?
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight |
Congratulations Alasdair. Wich one do you take to Roumania?
Karel Vranken. F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: A B Milne
To: Europa List
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 7:51 AM
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight
Another Europa XS Trigear is on its way to join the UK fleet. G -
CEYK flew from Oxford for the first time on Saturday last. No dramas,
just the interest provided by having myself as builder on his first as a
test pilot.
Regards
Alasdair Milne
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