---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 06/25/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:32 PM - Re: Strobe problem (rampil) 2. 02:42 PM - Wing sling belting (Fergus Kyle) 3. 03:40 PM - Re: Wing sling belting (JEFF ROBERTS) 4. 04:04 PM - Re: Wing sling belting (Raimo Toivio) 5. 04:06 PM - Re: Wing sling belting (Rman) 6. 05:08 PM - Re: Wing sling belting (Kim Prout) 7. 07:54 PM - technique for gluing polyethylene (Greg Fuchs (FB)) 8. 08:43 PM - Re: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty (Mike Duane) 9. 11:49 PM - Re: Wing sling belting (Robert C Harrison) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:47 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Strobe problem From: "rampil" Sorry Bryan, You'll have to get to the box for meaningful diagnosis. There is very little to do without that step. You did not describe the failure, is it just complete lights out, intermittent, one sided, or something else? When you flip the switch in the cabin, does the ammeter react? As Bud suggests, you need to find out if juice is flowing out to the supply box. If it is not, you can fix that. If it isn't I would recommend you disconnect the three wire bulb leads and check continuity one at a time (since they do not connect at the bulb) with a long extension wire. If those are OK, then send the box out for repair. I would not feel comfortable explaining the innards since very high voltage lives there and you would probably require a scope to check anything but an internal fuse. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=189808#189808 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:03 PM PST US From: "Fergus Kyle" Subject: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Cheers, Another cry in the wilderness......... The original classic trailer wing slings were made from fairly compliant black rubber which over the years has lent a tender black smudge on the wing surfaces in my latest transport attempt. Consumed by rage and jealousy, I ripped the offending materials from the carcass, and am now left with bitter regret and bits of rubber - and the strange feeling I may have been a touch venal. I am assuming that some of the early trailer-ites may have encountered the same disappointment and discovered a suitable replacement. I would like to think there's a supple, strong, compliant white compound (perhaps food belting) out there waiting to be scooped up and a thankful discoverer just keening to share his victory information. I've tried gleaning details from McMaster-Carr but I'm no chemist and the technical characteristics escape me. As a result I have five feet of intransigent, vicious brown crud in the garage waiting to chew holes in my wings. I'll hoof it with the pinions strapped to my back first... If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. let me be the first to help distribute it. Please? Ferg Europa Classic A064 still bumbling ahead ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:40:57 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Ferg, I don't transport mine but I do have a wing dolly that I've left them in for a few years while building other parts. I used 8 inch wide strips of carpet. Good old rugged shag carpet. I still use it when I have the wings off and it's never left a mark, It's still as strong as 6 years ago when I built the dolly. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 126 hours and climbing slowly and is cooling correctly. On Jun 25, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote: > > Cheers, > Another cry in the wilderness......... > The original classic trailer wing slings were made from fairly > compliant black rubber which over the years has lent a tender black > smudge > on the wing surfaces in my latest transport attempt. Consumed by rage > and > jealousy, I ripped the offending materials from the carcass, and am > now left > with bitter regret and bits of rubber - and the strange feeling I may > have > been a touch venal. > I am assuming that some of the early trailer-ites may have > encountered the same disappointment and discovered a suitable > replacement. I > would like to think there's a supple, strong, compliant white compound > (perhaps food belting) out there waiting to be scooped up and a > thankful > discoverer just keening to share his victory information. > I've tried gleaning details from McMaster-Carr but I'm no chemist > and the technical characteristics escape me. As a result I have five > feet of > intransigent, vicious brown crud in the garage waiting to chew holes > in my > wings. I'll hoof it with the pinions strapped to my back first... > If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. > let me be the first to help distribute it. Please? > Ferg > Europa Classic A064 still bumbling ahead > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:04:02 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Ferg, > If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. Definetely I have not but... I bought an used old trailer from Germany and modified it little. Later I installed also a floor to it. First of all I put those rubbers to the hell, copied the wing shape and made new ones from wood. Look at the pics, they are yellow! Over those those wooden blocks I glued some very SOFT and THICK material. Just to prevent rubbing the wing painting, I use gling film over the wings everytime I carry them. That works. Hope this helps. My wings are more beautiful than new ones and I have trailered them 20 times = let is say 400 km = 250 miles. BTW 1: there are somewhere in the USA a copy pair of my wooden blocks and I hope he is happy w them. BTW 2: I never carry my stabilators on the trailer!!! Cleaning: I had same problem in a different place. The door rubber seals marked my cream colour doors ugly black. I tried everything like acetone to clean the door=B4s inside surfaces. Nothing helped - it was like a shit on the wall. Finally somebody gave me a tip to try method "same". My doors were easily cleaned by rubbing them with just ordinary pencil (india) rubber (eraser). Try it! Terveisin, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fergus Kyle" Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 12:39 AM Subject: Europa-List: Wing sling belting > > Cheers, > Another cry in the wilderness......... > The original classic trailer wing slings were made from fairly > compliant black rubber which over the years has lent a tender black smudge > on the wing surfaces in my latest transport attempt. Consumed by rage and > jealousy, I ripped the offending materials from the carcass, and am now left > with bitter regret and bits of rubber - and the strange feeling I may have > been a touch venal. > I am assuming that some of the early trailer-ites may have > encountered the same disappointment and discovered a suitable replacement. I > would like to think there's a supple, strong, compliant white compound > (perhaps food belting) out there waiting to be scooped up and a thankful > discoverer just keening to share his victory information. > I've tried gleaning details from McMaster-Carr but I'm no chemist > and the technical characteristics escape me. As a result I have five feet of > intransigent, vicious brown crud in the garage waiting to chew holes in my > wings. I'll hoof it with the pinions strapped to my back first... > If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. > let me be the first to help distribute it. Please? > Ferg > Europa Classic A064 still bumbling ahead > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:05 PM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing sling belting 6" conveyor belting from McMaster-Carr on my transporter, lined with......... you guessed it, carpet. Three years of to and from (when needed) and no marks on the paint. Jeff - Baby Blue JEFF ROBERTS wrote: > > Ferg, > I don't transport mine but I do have a wing dolly that I've left them > in for a few years while building other parts. I used 8 inch wide > strips of carpet. Good old rugged shag carpet. I still use it when I > have the wings off and it's never left a mark, It's still as strong as > 6 years ago when I built the dolly. > > Jeff R. > A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 126 hours and climbing slowly and is cooling > correctly. > > > On Jun 25, 2008, at 4:39 PM, Fergus Kyle wrote: > >> >> Cheers, >> Another cry in the wilderness......... >> The original classic trailer wing slings were made from fairly >> compliant black rubber which over the years has lent a tender black >> smudge >> on the wing surfaces in my latest transport attempt. Consumed by rage >> and >> jealousy, I ripped the offending materials from the carcass, and am >> now left >> with bitter regret and bits of rubber - and the strange feeling I may >> have >> been a touch venal. >> I am assuming that some of the early trailer-ites may have >> encountered the same disappointment and discovered a suitable >> replacement. I >> would like to think there's a supple, strong, compliant white compound >> (perhaps food belting) out there waiting to be scooped up and a thankful >> discoverer just keening to share his victory information. >> I've tried gleaning details from McMaster-Carr but I'm no chemist >> and the technical characteristics escape me. As a result I have five >> feet of >> intransigent, vicious brown crud in the garage waiting to chew holes >> in my >> wings. I'll hoof it with the pinions strapped to my back first... >> If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. >> let me be the first to help distribute it. Please? >> Ferg >> Europa Classic A064 still bumbling ahead >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG. > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:54 PM PST US From: Kim Prout Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Hi Fergus! I replaced my sling material with conveyer belt material approx .050 thick and 4 inches width to support the wing without sagging. To keep the material from chaffing the wing surface, I first lined the sling with a thin soft rubber material against the sling and then put a thin layer of fine felt on the rubber. In other words, the felt contacts the wing so any rubbing does not result in much friction or staining and the rubber material absorbs any shock to prevent denting or deformation. You may have to adjust the width of the metal support at the sling mounting area to allow for thickness variations. There are numerous materials available from McMaster-Carr. Hope this helps! Kim Prout ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:46 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs (FB)" Subject: Europa-List: technique for gluing polyethylene Here is a method to glue tank material made from polyethylene. That is the good news. The bad news is evident upon watching. Windows media: http://www.tapplastics.com/info/video_detail.php?vid=21 &format=windowsmedia& Apple qucktime: http://www.tapplastics.com/info/video_detail.php?vid=21&format=quicktime&PHP SESSID 0806251945431500212305 Greg Fuchs A050 XS TRI Modifying Toe to Tri-brakes ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Araldite 420/2102 - Availabilty From: "Mike Duane" Just got my latest order of Araldite from Graco in Texas, USA. Yes, the price did go up to $213.25 per quart. It also had a 5-6 week lead time. But it is still available so I can finish my wings. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:26 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Hi! Ferg I used scrap conveyor belting but lined it with carpet by using a very strong industrial spray on adhesive. However be careful not to make the gap too tight or you will squeeze the wing.(lots of places have scrap belting) Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fergus Kyle Sent: 25 June 2008 22:40 Subject: Europa-List: Wing sling belting Cheers, Another cry in the wilderness......... The original classic trailer wing slings were made from fairly compliant black rubber which over the years has lent a tender black smudge on the wing surfaces in my latest transport attempt. Consumed by rage and jealousy, I ripped the offending materials from the carcass, and am now left with bitter regret and bits of rubber - and the strange feeling I may have been a touch venal. I am assuming that some of the early trailer-ites may have encountered the same disappointment and discovered a suitable replacement. I would like to think there's a supple, strong, compliant white compound (perhaps food belting) out there waiting to be scooped up and a thankful discoverer just keening to share his victory information. I've tried gleaning details from McMaster-Carr but I'm no chemist and the technical characteristics escape me. As a result I have five feet of intransigent, vicious brown crud in the garage waiting to chew holes in my wings. I'll hoof it with the pinions strapped to my back first... If you have superior knowledge and/or experience in this endeavour. let me be the first to help distribute it. Please? 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