---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 06/27/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:04 AM - Rotax carb heaters (William Harrison) 2. 02:21 AM - Re: Rotax carb heaters (rick) 3. 02:49 AM - Re: Rotax carb heaters (Carl Pattinson) 4. 03:20 AM - Re: Rotax carb heaters (craig bastin) 5. 07:37 AM - Re: Re: Rotax carb heaters (JEFF ROBERTS) 6. 08:00 AM - Re: FW: (N714GZ) (Mike Parkin) 7. 09:44 AM - Re: Rotax carb heaters (G-IANI) 8. 10:19 AM - Re: FW: (N714GZ) (Alan Burrows) 9. 01:16 PM - Re: Rotax carb heaters (Raimo Toivio) 10. 02:23 PM - Re: Rotax carb heaters () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:41 AM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters Folks, 2 questions: 1. What experience does anyone have of electric or coolant-based carb heaters for Rotax engines? 2. Can anyone tell me whether either of these is regarded as a standard mod by the LAA? Many thanks in advance. Willie Harrison G-BZNY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:21:52 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters Hi Willie How's it? I've used the Skydrive jackets for 4 years and 400 hours with never a problem. I would automatically fit them if I did another 912 kit. Not a issue with the LAA as far as I can remember. Incidentally a lot of the Vans owning guys are looking jealously at our fuel figures at the moment!! All the best Rick G-RIKS Tri 912S G-RMRV IO-360 RV7A -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William Harrison Sent: 27 June 2008 10:01 Subject: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters --> Folks, 2 questions: 1. What experience does anyone have of electric or coolant-based carb heaters for Rotax engines? 2. Can anyone tell me whether either of these is regarded as a standard mod by the LAA? Many thanks in advance. Willie Harrison G-BZNY ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:49:28 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rotax carb heaters From: "Carl Pattinson" The Skydrive kit is an accepted engine mod and you shouldnt have a problem with then PFA. The electric ones as far as I know are not an approved mod for the Europa unless someone has done this privately. I beleive it may be approved for Jabiru installations. The Skydrive ones seem to be problem free and do not affect engine performance. They are left permanantly turned on so require no management like conventional carb heat systems. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190050#190050 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:57 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters "Incidentally a lot of the Vans owning guys are looking jealously at our fuel figures at the moment!!" given the price of fuel now and the performace of the Europa I bet a lot of the Cessna and piper owners would be too. It's great when your plane gets better fuel economy than your car as well : ) craig Checked by AVG. 11:20 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:40 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rotax carb heaters On Jun 27, 2008, at 4:46 AM, Carl Pattinson wrote: > The Skydrive ones seem to be problem free and do not affect engine > performance. They are left permanantly turned on so require no > management like conventional carb heat systems. You will want to install a simple on off 1/4 inch fuel valve on the sky drive carb heat coolant line. Before I did that my carbs were boiling fuel on hot summer days. Now I just pull the small knob under the panel if I want carb heat. The sky drive system works great. Just don't leave it on all the time if you taxi in hot weather on the hot tarmac. Regards Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 127 hours and finally cooling nicely. > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=190050#190050 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:35 AM PST US From: "Mike Parkin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: (N714GZ) Just brilliant. Can you imagine the fuss by the CAA/Police in UK. Regards, Mike Do not archive From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: 27 June 2008 06:02 Subject: Europa-List: FW: (N714GZ) Hi! All Only slightly "off topic", yes sure enough reg No. N714GZ is in my log book ! It is interesting to see the attitude of the law in the USA ..compared to what it would be here in the UK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is also interesting to see that the aircraft has survived probably thousands of hours whilst being abused by many training pilots at Ormond Beach Training School. Like a trip back in time, what ? Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: John Moar [mailto:johnmoar@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 26 June 2008 23:22 Subject: FW: (N714GZ) Hi Bob, I was sent this link today, it is one of the E-Mails that is circling around at work just now. I recognised the registration as one of the old Cessnas that I have flown on a few occasions, it may be in your log book also! Best regards, John. PS, say hi to Jan from me please! > > http://www.news-journalonline.com/media/index.htm?bcpid=1541042960&bclid=113 4198054&bctid=1612710891 > _____ Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play Now ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:44:55 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters All the paperwork is done for the Skydrive Carb heaters to be a standard mod. I will send you a copy off list. I first submitted them in 2005 (in conjunction with Skydrive) and they just sat on Francis's desk. In April this year Andy Draper agreed that they should form part of a series of mods for 91X engines, rather than being a Europa mod. So I resubmitted the application on 18th April. So far nothing has happened. Despite all this there should be no problem with the Mod but I do wish LAA would do its paper work and make everybody's life a little simpler. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:21 AM PST US From: "Alan Burrows" Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: (N714GZ) Hi Mike & Bob Actually, I can just imagine the grief the pilot got from the owner Adrian Thompson. I suspect that was far worse than anything the CAA or FAA could come up with. Hell hath no fury like Mr. Thompson after someone has done something "interesting" I too have N714GZ in my logbook from days gone by J Alan From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin Sent: 27 June 2008 15:57 Subject: RE: Europa-List: FW: (N714GZ) Just brilliant. Can you imagine the fuss by the CAA/Police in UK. Regards, Mike Do not archive From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: 27 June 2008 06:02 Subject: Europa-List: FW: (N714GZ) Hi! All Only slightly "off topic", yes sure enough reg No. N714GZ is in my log book ! It is interesting to see the attitude of the law in the USA ..compared to what it would be here in the UK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is also interesting to see that the aircraft has survived probably thousands of hours whilst being abused by many training pilots at Ormond Beach Training School. Like a trip back in time, what ? Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: John Moar [mailto:johnmoar@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: 26 June 2008 23:22 Subject: FW: (N714GZ) Hi Bob, I was sent this link today, it is one of the E-Mails that is circling around at work just now. I recognised the registration as one of the old Cessnas that I have flown on a few occasions, it may be in your log book also! Best regards, John. PS, say hi to Jan from me please! > > http://www.news-journalonline.com/media/index.htm?bcpid=1541042960&bclid=113 4198054&bctid=1612710891 > _____ Get fish-slapping on Messenger! Play Now ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:43 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters 1) I have cbchs and I am happy. So far no icing and flying almost all the time in icing conditions. Think it is wise: air is cool and carburrettor body is warm. Mine is always on - no valve. Raimo OH-XRT, between strikes again ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" Sent: Friday, June 27, 2008 12:01 PM Subject: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters > > Folks, 2 questions: > > 1. What experience does anyone have of electric or coolant-based carb > heaters for Rotax engines? > > 2. Can anyone tell me whether either of these is regarded as a > standard mod by the LAA? > > Many thanks in advance. > > Willie Harrison > G-BZNY > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:23:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax carb heaters From: On the subject of carb. ice, has anyone gotten carb. ice on a 914? If yes were you able to get rid of it by boosting manifold pressure? Does anyone run water or electric carb heat on a 914? 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