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1. 06:45 AM - Re: mono brake mounting (Michael Grass)
2. 07:48 AM - Re: mono brake mounting (Greg Fuchs (FB))
3. 08:07 AM - Re: mono brake mounting (Greg Fuchs)
4. 11:04 AM - making holes in fuselage moulding (Rowland Carson)
5. 03:46 PM - Re: making holes in fuselage moulding (JR Gowing)
6. 04:25 PM - Re: mono brake mounting (Robert Borger)
7. 04:34 PM - Re: making holes in fuselage moulding (Robert Borger)
8. 04:38 PM - Re: making holes in fuselage moulding (ALAN YERLY)
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| Subject: | Re: mono brake mounting |
Bob, Rowland,
I have the piece here in my hands as it was a part I had to cut away to make
room for my trigear brake cylinder mod. No metal insert here. I have to
admit, if you do not attempt to shine light through, it has the appearance
of a metal insert.
Regards
Michael Grass
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: 2008-07-03 11:15
Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake mounting
>
> Rowland,
>
> I can confirm that my cockpit module had an aluminum plate for the brake
> master cylinder mount molded into the cockpit module. If you will go to
> my build web site ( http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL/ ), album Year #2,
> Q3 2004. Go down the page to the pic "Brake master cylinder bolted in
> place." The view is from the bottom of the cockpit module. You can
> plainly see the aluminum plate bonded into the cockpit module.
>
> You should contact the factory to see if your CM is correct or defective.
> If your CM has been bonded in place already, it may be that you just need
> to bond the appropriate chunk of aluminum to the back side with Araldite
> and cover with a couple plys of BID. Or, perhaps take the appropriate
> chunk of aluminum, use it as a template to mark the area on the inside of
> the CM where it will reside. Cut out the inner layer of BID and remove
> the layer of foam. Bond the chunk of aluminum in place with Araldite,
> using Araldite/FLOX to fill any cracks. If necessary, make a FLOX fillet
> around to provide a transition to the inner skin, and lay up at least two
> layers of BID on the back side, maybe more. Other folks suggestions as to
> the number of layups would be welcome. Probably need to overlap the inner
> skin by at least 1 inch (2.5 cm). I might go 2 inches (5 cm). Of course,
> be sure to scuff sand every bonding surface, aluminum and fiberglass.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Good building and great flying,
> Bob Borger
> Cell: 817-992-1117 (U.S.A access codes)
>
> On Thursday, July 03, 2008, at 09:30AM, "Rowland Carson"
> <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com> wrote:
>><rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>
>>
>>At 2008-06-28 21:58 -0400 JohnDHeykoop@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>>There is a metal insert in the tunnel wall (the area you call the
>>>"plain resin area"). The mounting holes need to go in this area,
>>>parallel to the top of the tunnel as shown in the illustration
>>
>>John - thanks for your reply.
>>
>>The metal insert in my cockpit module must be a quite exotic alloy as
>>I can see through it! That's why I said it was a "plain resin" area -
>>obviously it has glass weave too.
>>
>>But now I'm wondering - is my cockpit module faulty? Can anyone else
>>confirm that the brake master cylinder mounting area contains a metal
>>insert as John found on his?
>>
>>regards
>>
>>Rowland
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>>| Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
>>| <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com> http://home.clara.net/rowil/
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| Subject: | mono brake mounting |
Rowland,
My tunnel has an area about 3" square in this spot which looks darker,
however I am pretty sure it does not contain any metal inserts. This is
about where I am planning to mount the finger brakes, converted from toe
brakes.
Regards,
Greg Fuchs
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland Carson
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake mounting
<rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>
At 2008-06-28 21:58 -0400 JohnDHeykoop@aol.com wrote:
>There is a metal insert in the tunnel wall (the area you call the
>"plain resin area"). The mounting holes need to go in this area,
>parallel to the top of the tunnel as shown in the illustration
John - thanks for your reply.
The metal insert in my cockpit module must be a quite exotic alloy as
I can see through it! That's why I said it was a "plain resin" area -
obviously it has glass weave too.
But now I'm wondering - is my cockpit module faulty? Can anyone else
confirm that the brake master cylinder mounting area contains a metal
insert as John found on his?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | mono brake mounting |
I should have mentioned that I drilled 2 holes here, to mount the finger
brake assembly, and do not remember any metal flakes coming out with the
bit. I will look at the holes again this weekend, just to be sure. If
anything changes, I will post again. Possibly, there was a manufacturing
change of the cockpit module, which took out the metal insert? This may
explain why Bob B. has one in his module...
Greg Fuchs
____________________________________________________________________
....
But now I'm wondering - is my cockpit module faulty? Can anyone else
confirm that the brake master cylinder mounting area contains a metal
insert as John found on his?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | making holes in fuselage moulding |
I'm constructing a vey simple fuselage dolly from odds and ends.
To stop the fuselage lower moulding sliding around on the dolly when
I move it, I'm thinking of putting a couple of screws through the
bottom of the moulding into the dolly, in the area that is going to
be cut out for the (mono) wheel. Not to clamp it down tight, just to
provide some lateral location.
Anyone see any reason not to to make a couple of holes in what will
eventually become waste?
regards
Rowland
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| 1030 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: making holes in fuselage moulding |
Rowland
If youy are going to cut it out later how could it hurt anything?
Looks as if you can do it!
JR (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:00 AM
Subject: Europa-List: making holes in fuselage moulding
> <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>
>
> I'm constructing a vey simple fuselage dolly from odds and ends.
>
> To stop the fuselage lower moulding sliding around on the dolly when I
> move it, I'm thinking of putting a couple of screws through the bottom of
> the moulding into the dolly, in the area that is going to be cut out for
> the (mono) wheel. Not to clamp it down tight, just to provide some lateral
> location.
>
> Anyone see any reason not to to make a couple of holes in what will
> eventually become waste?
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
> --
> Date: 3/07/2008 7:19 PM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: mono brake mounting |
Rowland, Michael,
I finally had to opportunity to get under my aircraft and pull the
masking from the wheel well area so I could get in to see what is
going on. There is no aluminum plate in there. It is some sort of
reinforced area and I have no idea what is actually acting as
reinforcement.
I guess your CM is OK. Get that brake master installed.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(95% done, only 95% to go) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module
installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in
with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap
pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay
in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62,
66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa
interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25
Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jul 4, 2008, at 8:41, Michael Grass wrote:
> >
>
> Bob, Rowland,
>
> I have the piece here in my hands as it was a part I had to cut away
> to make room for my trigear brake cylinder mod. No metal insert
> here. I have to admit, if you do not attempt to shine light through,
> it has the appearance of a metal insert.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Grass
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: 2008-07-03 11:15
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: mono brake mounting
>
>
>>
>> Rowland,
>>
>> I can confirm that my cockpit module had an aluminum plate for the
>> brake master cylinder mount molded into the cockpit module. If
>> you will go to my build web site ( http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL/
>> ), album Year #2, Q3 2004. Go down the page to the pic "Brake
>> master cylinder bolted in place." The view is from the bottom of
>> the cockpit module. You can plainly see the aluminum plate bonded
>> into the cockpit module.
>>
>> You should contact the factory to see if your CM is correct or
>> defective. If your CM has been bonded in place already, it may be
>> that you just need to bond the appropriate chunk of aluminum to the
>> back side with Araldite and cover with a couple plys of BID. Or,
>> perhaps take the appropriate chunk of aluminum, use it as a
>> template to mark the area on the inside of the CM where it will
>> reside. Cut out the inner layer of BID and remove the layer of
>> foam. Bond the chunk of aluminum in place with Araldite, using
>> Araldite/FLOX to fill any cracks. If necessary, make a FLOX fillet
>> around to provide a transition to the inner skin, and lay up at
>> least two layers of BID on the back side, maybe more. Other folks
>> suggestions as to the number of layups would be welcome. Probably
>> need to overlap the inner skin by at least 1 inch (2.5 cm). I
>> might go 2 inches (5 cm). Of course, be sure to scuff sand every
>> bonding surface, aluminum and fiberglass.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Good building and great flying,
>> Bob Borger
>> Cell: 817-992-1117 (U.S.A access codes)
>>
>> On Thursday, July 03, 2008, at 09:30AM, "Rowland Carson" <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>>
>>> At 2008-06-28 21:58 -0400 JohnDHeykoop@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> There is a metal insert in the tunnel wall (the area you call the
>>>> "plain resin area"). The mounting holes need to go in this area,
>>>> parallel to the top of the tunnel as shown in the illustration
>>>
>>> John - thanks for your reply.
>>>
>>> The metal insert in my cockpit module must be a quite exotic alloy
>>> as
>>> I can see through it! That's why I said it was a "plain resin"
>>> area -
>>> obviously it has glass weave too.
>>>
>>> But now I'm wondering - is my cockpit module faulty? Can anyone else
>>> confirm that the brake master cylinder mounting area contains a
>>> metal
>>> insert as John found on his?
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> Rowland
>>> --
>>> | Rowland Carson ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
>>> | <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com> http://home.clara.net/rowil/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: making holes in fuselage moulding |
Rowland,
Sounds like a great idea to me.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(95% done, only 95% to go) tail kit done, wings closed, cockpit module
installed, pitch system in, landing gear complete, rudder system in
with Singleton Mod, outrigger mod in, Fuselage Top on, lift/drag/flap
pins in, wing incidence set, tie bar in, flap drive in, baggage bay
in. Fuel system complete. Rotax and Airmaster installed. Mods 62,
66, 70 & 72 done. Completed the instrument panel install. Europa
interior kit being installed. Installed windows. Working in - 25
Electrical, 28 Flaps, 30 Fuel System, 32 Tail, 34 Door Latches & 35
Doors, 37 Finishing. Mostly finishing these days.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Jul 4, 2008, at 13:00, Rowland Carson wrote:
> >
>
> I'm constructing a vey simple fuselage dolly from odds and ends.
>
> To stop the fuselage lower moulding sliding around on the dolly when
> I move it, I'm thinking of putting a couple of screws through the
> bottom of the moulding into the dolly, in the area that is going to
> be cut out for the (mono) wheel. Not to clamp it down tight, just to
> provide some lateral location.
>
> Anyone see any reason not to to make a couple of holes in what will
> eventually become waste?
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: making holes in fuselage moulding |
Do it all the time...Just don't screw up into the tank or your
wiring...Eh.
Even if you need to put a screw with some wood or epoxy to shim or add
stiffness. Grind it out when your done. I love fiberglass, just cut
and glue.
Bud Yerly
----- Original Message -----
From: JR Gowing<mailto:jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 6:43 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: making holes in fuselage moulding
<jrgowing@bigpond.net.au<mailto:jrgowing@bigpond.net.au>>
Rowland
If youy are going to cut it out later how could it hurt anything?
Looks as if you can do it!
JR (Bob) Gowing UK kit 327 in Oz
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson"
<rowlandcarson@googlemail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>>
To: "Europa e-mail list"
<europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2008 4:00 AM
Subject: Europa-List: making holes in fuselage moulding
> <rowlandcarson@googlemail.com<mailto:rowlandcarson@googlemail.com>>
>
> I'm constructing a vey simple fuselage dolly from odds and ends.
>
> To stop the fuselage lower moulding sliding around on the dolly when
I
> move it, I'm thinking of putting a couple of screws through the
bottom of
> the moulding into the dolly, in the area that is going to be cut out
for
> the (mono) wheel. Not to clamp it down tight, just to provide some
lateral
> location.
>
> Anyone see any reason not to to make a couple of holes in what will
> eventually become waste?
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
> | Rowland Carson LAA #16532
http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/<http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviatio
n/>
> | 1030 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail
<rowil@clara.net<mailto:rowil@clara.net>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Date: 3/07/2008 7:19 PM
>
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