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1. 01:59 AM - Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. (David Joyce)
2. 02:22 AM - Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. (Pete Lawless)
3. 03:44 AM - Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. (David Joyce)
4. 04:26 AM - Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. (Ivor Phillips)
5. 06:09 AM - Second Annual Europa Fly in (Paul McAllister)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: OSH 2008 (rampil)
7. 06:40 AM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (Venu Rao)
8. 08:22 AM - Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in (sldpileit@aol.com)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: OSH 2008 (Jeff B)
10. 09:25 AM - Re: Re: OSH 2008 (JEFF ROBERTS)
11. 01:21 PM - Re: OSH 2008 (John & Paddy Wigney)
12. 10:59 PM - Re:Unlatched outrigger (p-a.austin)
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| Subject: | Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. |
Darin, The warning and alarm limits for 914 EGTs given by Rotax in the
Flydat manual are 880 & 900 degrees Centigrade respectively. Mine usually
run around the 700 mark with the rear pair being perhaps 60 deg hotter.
880C. is 1616F, and 760 is 1400F so you haven't exceeded limits but seem to
be running hotter than I do. But on the other hand if you are just doing
ground runs you aren't getting much in the way of cooling, & new engines
also run relatively hot until they have polished all the rough surfaces off
a bit. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
>
> You guys flying 914's, what are you seeing on your normal operating range
> for EGTs? What is the max set at by Rotax? I would think this
> information would be in the manuals but I have yet to find it. Any
> personal experience would be great. I ran my 914 yesterday and had temps
> as high as 1530 around 4300 rpm.
>
> I posted this on the Rotax engines forum but no replies...I figured this
> forum would have better results.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Airworthiness in Hand - building courage for Maiden flight)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192725#192725
>
>
>
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| Subject: | 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. |
Hi David
As a matter of interest do Rotax publish a limit for turbo inlet temperature
and do you monitor it?
Pete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 15 July 2008 09:56
Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
Darin, The warning and alarm limits for 914 EGTs given by Rotax in the
Flydat manual are 880 & 900 degrees Centigrade respectively. Mine usually
run around the 700 mark with the rear pair being perhaps 60 deg hotter.
880C. is 1616F, and 760 is 1400F so you haven't exceeded limits but seem to
be running hotter than I do. But on the other hand if you are just doing
ground runs you aren't getting much in the way of cooling, & new engines
also run relatively hot until they have polished all the rough surfaces off
a bit. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:01 PM
Subject: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
>
> You guys flying 914's, what are you seeing on your normal operating range
> for EGTs? What is the max set at by Rotax? I would think this
> information would be in the manuals but I have yet to find it. Any
> personal experience would be great. I ran my 914 yesterday and had temps
> as high as 1530 around 4300 rpm.
>
> I posted this on the Rotax engines forum but no replies...I figured this
> forum would have better results.
>
> --------
> Darin Hawkes
> Series 7 (Airworthiness in Hand - building courage for Maiden flight)
> 914 Turbo
> Kaysville, Utah
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192725#192725
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. |
Pete, No, or at least not to my knowledge, and No! Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 10:19 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
>
> Hi David
>
> As a matter of interest do Rotax publish a limit for turbo inlet
> temperature
> and do you monitor it?
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
> Sent: 15 July 2008 09:56
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Darin, The warning and alarm limits for 914 EGTs given by Rotax in the
> Flydat manual are 880 & 900 degrees Centigrade respectively. Mine usually
> run around the 700 mark with the rear pair being perhaps 60 deg hotter.
> 880C. is 1616F, and 760 is 1400F so you haven't exceeded limits but seem
> to
>
> be running hotter than I do. But on the other hand if you are just doing
> ground runs you aren't getting much in the way of cooling, & new engines
> also run relatively hot until they have polished all the rough surfaces
> off
> a bit. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "darinh" <gerns25@netscape.net>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 11:01 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
>
>
>>
>> You guys flying 914's, what are you seeing on your normal operating range
>> for EGTs? What is the max set at by Rotax? I would think this
>> information would be in the manuals but I have yet to find it. Any
>> personal experience would be great. I ran my 914 yesterday and had temps
>> as high as 1530 around 4300 rpm.
>>
>> I posted this on the Rotax engines forum but no replies...I figured this
>> forum would have better results.
>>
>> --------
>> Darin Hawkes
>> Series 7 (Airworthiness in Hand - building courage for Maiden flight)
>> 914 Turbo
>> Kaysville, Utah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192725#192725
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | 914 EGTs - Normal and Max. |
Hi Pete
Rotax allow a max inlet temp of 72c (160F) or 88c (190F) depending on
the serial number of the TCU, I have never exceeded 50C so far with
normal cruise being about 35C
Regards
Ivor
Subject: RE: Europa-List: 914 EGTs - Normal and Max.
Hi David
As a matter of interest do Rotax publish a limit for turbo inlet
temperature
and do you monitor it?
Pete
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Darin, The warning and alarm limits for 914 EGTs given by Rotax in the
Flydat manual are 880 & 900 degrees Centigrade respectively. Mine
usually
run around the 700 mark with the rear pair being perhaps 60 deg hotter.
880C. is 1616F, and 760 is 1400F so you haven't exceeded limits but
seem to
be running hotter than I do. But on the other hand if you are just doing
ground runs you aren't getting much in the way of cooling, & new engines
also run relatively hot until they have polished all the rough surfaces
off
a bit. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Second Annual Europa Fly in |
Hi All,
I noticed a few questions on the list regarding the second US Annual
Europa Fly in. For those who missed the first email from Jeff and I
here it is again.
If you are planning on attending please let myself or Jeff know and we
will keep a "Running List" published on the forum.
Jeff & Paul
<paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
--> Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM
Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
2008
________________________
Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
is the weekend of September 6th and 7th
Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
accommodation.
Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
For more in Rough River take a look at
http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
For reservations call 800-325-1713.
Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
count.
Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
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Sad for me to report that N224XS and I will also be MIA from
Airventure this year.
I will be taking the week to finish off my IFR rating with hope that
this will increase the odds that I can fly-in next year.
Safe passage, good wx, and good hunting for goodies to all at KOSH
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192830#192830
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in |
Count me in tentatively Paul. I'll be there if I complete the
conversion of 058 to conventional gear and comfortable flying her.
058 was at Rough River with Steve Crimm last year - he's now a
-9A(ist), as is Jim Nelson who built her.
For those of you who know Jim, he just completed first flt.
of his 9A 2 weeks ago!
Cheers,
Venu
Cell: (512) 771-3286
A-058 Mono - flying
Austin, Tx
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:06, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
wrote:
> >
>
> Hi All,
>
> I noticed a few questions on the list regarding the second US Annual
> Europa Fly in. For those who missed the first email from Jeff and I
> here it is again.
>
> If you are planning on attending please let myself or Jeff know and we
> will keep a "Running List" published on the forum.
>
> Jeff & Paul
>
>
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
> --> Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM
>
>
> Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye
>
> Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the
> second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of
> Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord
> 2008
> ________________________
>
> Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough
> River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates
> and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event
> is the weekend of September 6th and 7th
>
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own
> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking
> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style
> accommodation.
>
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.
>
> At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and
> twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is
> interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.
>
> For more in Rough River take a look at
>
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3
>
>
> For reservations call 800-325-1713.
>
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It
> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head
> count.
>
> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com
> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net
>
>
> Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Second Annual Europa Fly in |
My wife and I will be at rough river state park on 6 and 7 sep. along with N108EA
We are looking fowrard to seeing all of you. Scott and Corky Dingman, N108EA
-----Original Message-----
From: Venu Rao <venurao@mac.com>
Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:34 am
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Second Annual Europa Fly in
?
Count me in tentatively Paul. I'll be there if I complete the conversion of 058
to conventional gear and comfortable flying her.?
?
058 was at Rough River with Steve Crimm last year - he's now a -9A(ist), as is
Jim Nelson who built her.?
?
For those of you who know Jim, he just completed first flt.?
of his 9A 2 weeks ago!?
?
Cheers,?
Venu?
?
Cell: (512) 771-3286?
A-058 Mono - flying?
Austin, Tx?
?
On Jul 15, 2008, at 8:06, Paul McAllister <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> wrote:?
?
>?
> Hi All,?
>?
> I noticed a few questions on the list regarding the second US Annual?
> Europa Fly in. For those who missed the first email from Jeff and I?
> here it is again.?
>?
> If you are planning on attending please let myself or Jeff know and we?
> will keep a "Running List" published on the forum.?
>?
> Jeff & Paul?
>?
>?
>?
> <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>?
> --> Date: Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:14 AM?
>?
>?
> Hear Ye, Hear Ye, Hear Ye?
>?
> Be it known throughout the land and across to far shores that the?
> second Annual Europa Fly-in will be held in the Hamlet of "Falls of?
> Rough" on the very days of September 6 and 7 in the year of our Lord?
> 2008?
> ________________________?
>?
> Hi all, Jeff and I have been working with the management of the Rough?
> River Resort and have found taking into account regional fly-in dates?
> and accommodation availability that the best date for this years event?
> is the weekend of September 6th and 7th?
>?
> Rough River is part of the Kentucky State Park system with its own?
> airport (2I3), camping facilities and a lodge, which is walking?
> distance from the airport. The lodge has both rooms and cabin style?
> accommodation.?
>?
> Rough River offers walking trails, fishing, beach, golfing and a large?
> marina that has rental craft of all sizes available.?
>?
> At the time of writing the resort has four two bedroom cabins and?
> twenty single rooms available. I would encourage anyone who is?
> interested to book early as accommodation fills quickly.?
>?
> For more in Rough River take a look at?
>?
> http://parks.ky.gov/resortparks/rr/?
> http://www.roughriverlaketourism.com/acc.htm?
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/2I3?
>?
>?
> For reservations call 800-325-1713.?
>?
> Please let me or Jeff know if you are contemplating attending. It?
> would help us better plan the event if we had an approximate head?
> count.?
>?
> Paul can be contacted on paul.the.aviator@gmail.com?
> Jeff can be contacted on topglock@cox.net?
>?
>?
>?
> Paul McAllister & Jeff Behrnes?
>?
>?
>?
>?
?
?
?
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Unfortunately, Mary and I and Baby blue will also be absent. We've got
way more work than any man and woman should have to do... ;)
Jeff - Baby Blue
rampil wrote:
>
> Sad for me to report that N224XS and I will also be MIA from
> Airventure this year.
>
> I will be taking the week to finish off my IFR rating with hope that
> this will increase the odds that I can fly-in next year.
>
> Safe passage, good wx, and good hunting for goodies to all at KOSH
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192830#192830
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
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Jeff,
Maybe you should get a clone. If you find a method of pulling that one
off I would be interested!! I also have more than I can do on the back
10. Therefore I will not be at air venture this year either. I will
however be attending with Gold Rush the Rough River fly-in in Sept.
Looking forward to it!!
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 130 hours and climbing slowly.
On Jul 15, 2008, at 10:49 AM, Jeff B wrote:
>
> Unfortunately, Mary and I and Baby blue will also be absent. We've
> got way more work than any man and woman should have to do... ;)
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
> rampil wrote:
>> Sad for me to report that N224XS and I will also be MIA from
>> Airventure this year.
>> I will be taking the week to finish off my IFR rating with hope that
>> this will increase the odds that I can fly-in next year.
>> Safe passage, good wx, and good hunting for goodies to all at KOSH
>> --------
>> Ira N224XS
>> Read this topic online here:
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=192830#192830
>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
>
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Hi Erich,
I will be in the Home Built Camping area with my plane. Planned arrival
from North Carolina will be after midday on Sunday, dependent on weather
of course.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
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From: "Erich Trombley" <erichdtrombley@juno.com>
Subject: Europa-List: OSH 2008
Hello All,
Well with only two weeks before the start of Airventure it has been
really quite on forum. Is anyone planning on attending??? If all goes to
plan N28ET will be flying out on Saturday from Las Vegas, NV, arriving
Sunday morning and remaining until Friday or Saturday. I am planning on
camping with my plane. Erich Trombley N28ET Classic Mono 914
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| Subject: | Re:Unlatched outrigger |
>
> I have had an incident with my Europa (G-MIME) due to an outrigger not
> being latched down for landing. I thought members of the forum with
> monowheel Europas would like information of this event to help them
> consider whether this event has any learning points for them.
Nigel,
Have you managed to ascertain why your Outrigger failed to latched.
Await your judgement.
Peter.
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