---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 07/20/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:34 AM - Re: Removing PVA release agent () 2. 01:04 PM - Re: Unlatched outrigger (nigel charles) 3. 02:54 PM - Re: Unlatched outrigger (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 4. 03:44 PM - Re: Unlatched outrigger (Fred Klein) 5. 04:36 PM - Re: Serious bonding problem (rparigoris) 6. 04:57 PM - Re: Unlatched outrigger (JR Gowing) 7. 05:10 PM - Re: Unlatched outrigger (DuaneFamly@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Removing PVA release agent From: Hi Andrew "Here is a link to some photos. It is in corners and crevices, so I > doubt it is packing tape." OK I see what you are talking about. My plane had areas too like yours. I think it is probably left over remnants of vacuum bag. Razor blade and a few different tipped Exactos should rid you plane of most of it. Any areas to be bonded you could take your time and razor out most and sand off the rest. If it isn't going to be bonded to, don't kill yourself. Ron P. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:41 PM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Unlatched outrigger >But as I read of the operational issues (airspeed at deployment, wear and tear, lubrication, effects of temperature, etc.), I've had an increasing appreciation for the value of the microswitch-warning lights which some builders have installed. I gotta admit that I am challenged by all things electrical, so I would humbly ask that someone...someone who can handle wiring diagrams, warning lights, microswitches, and a digital camera (while skipping rope and chewing gum at the same time)...please, put together an illustrated tutorial (in crayon) showing just how this is done.< The wiring for the outrigger warning lights is very simple. Each light is connected using a microswitch attached to the outrigger leg. The placement of the microswitch was decided on such that its lever arm would be fully depressed once the latch was engaged. Nigel Charles ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:25 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Unlatched outrigger Simple wire run....wire from main buss to 1 amp circuit breaker or fuse, then wire from CB/fuse to microswitch at the outrigger, wire from the microswitch to green light inside cockpit, wire from green light to ground. Duplicate using same CB/fuse, run out to microswitch on the other wing and then run back to a second green light. In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:05:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk writes: >But as I read of the operational issues (airspeed at deployment, wear and tear, lubrication, effects of temperature, etc.), I've had an increasing appreciation for the value of the microswitch-warning lights which some builders have installed. I gotta admit that I am challenged by all things electrical, so I would humbly ask that someone...someone who can handle wiring diagrams, warning lights, microswitches, and a digital camera (while skipping rope and chewing gum at the same time)...please, put together an illustrated tutorial (in crayon) showing just how this is done.< The wiring for the outrigger warning lights is very simple. Each light is connected using a microswitch attached to the outrigger leg. The placement of the microswitch was decided on such that its lever arm would be fully depressed once the latch was engaged. Nigel Charles (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Unlatched outrigger From: Fred Klein On Sunday, Jul 20, 2008, at 13:01 US/Pacific, nigel charles wrote: > The wiring for the outrigger warning lights is very simple. Each light > is connected using a microswitch attached to the outrigger leg. The > placement of the microswitch was decided on such that its lever arm > would be fully depressed once the latch was engaged. Nigel, Y'know, in my field (architecture), I tend to undervalue the things I've learned thru formal education and practical experience over time, such that in conversation w/ a lay person, I sometimes make unreasonable assumptions about the knowledge base of the person with whom I'm talking. Similarly, in the case at hand, I'm not sure I've ever seen or handled a "microswitch". Looking in the Acft. Spruce catalog, I find no listings, though I do see an "ultra-miniature toggle switch"...somehow, I don't think this is what would serve, nor does it suggest any clues as to what I need. Some of the questions (perhaps "stupid" ones) going thru my mind are: - Is there a size or rating for the type of microswitch referred to? - Is there a specific microswitch which would be especially suitable for this application, or are we simply talking about a generic, universal type? - What size wiring would be suitable? - Would "outrigger warning lights" imply that there would be a red light and a green light, or just the absence of a green light (when the outrigger is not down and locked? Are we talking about LEDs, or some kind of bulb? - Any chance of a photo of an installed system? Like I said in my original post, my being electrically-challenged, I plead for information spelled out in crayon, Cheers, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:05 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Serious bonding problem From: "rparigoris" Hi Frans "The W18 themselves were bonded so well with the epoxy that I destroyed the W18's during the attempts to clean them. The problem is just that the underlying rib doesn't want to bond, whatever I try. What is going on here? Any suggestions?" Not very nice thing to happen on a plastic aeroplane indeed. Did by chance any silicone get near your Europa? I don't know where you are building, but did any of the following get near your aeroplane: Furniture aerosol waxes (door opened from home to garage when spraying) Automobile silicone spray on like Armor All (did someone clean their car tires with it near europa?) Dot 5 brake fluid Rain X silicone coating for automobile windshields SiliKroil rust buster Silicone is hard to get rid of. Before you do anything, wipe some water on suspect bonding area, if it beads up something is on there. You need water to lay matt flat. There are some wax/silicone removers for preparing surfaces to be painted, you can try perhaps with scotchbright?? Also acetone with scotchbright. Test sample to make sure it will not damage your wing. Something by chance is not on your sandpaper that you did your final sand with? Same question about mixing containers or brushes? OK another thought, did you use plastic sheeting to lay up glass onto? All the Visqueen or other sheeting i have gotten a hold of for some time now has "slip" on it and can go from just a little to an aweful lot. Slip is a powered compound to prevent sheeting from sticking to itself, or in other words a release agent. I am not absolute sure if all Mfgs use the same compound but I for one wipe down all plastic sheeting with Isopropyl alcohol before I lay up onto. Let us know what you find. Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:11 PM PST US From: "JR Gowing" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Unlatched outrigger Dear Nigel Charles I am in Fred Klein's class and never knowingly looked carefully at a micro -switch - if someone could post a photo of the switch in its location on th e leg we, and I guess, a number of others would now have the full tutorial! JR (Bob) Gowing in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: DuaneFamly@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Unlatched outrigger Simple wire run....wire from main buss to 1 amp circuit breaker or fuse, then wire from CB/fuse to microswitch at the outrigger, wire from the micro switch to green light inside cockpit, wire from green light to ground. Dupl icate using same CB/fuse, run out to microswitch on the other wing and then run back to a second green light. In a message dated 7/20/2008 1:05:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, nwcmc@ti scali.co.uk writes: >But as I read of the operational issues (airspeed at deployment, wear and tear, lubrication, effects of temperature, etc.), I've had an increasin g appreciation for the value of the microswitch-warning lights which some b uilders have installed. I gotta admit that I am challenged by all things electrical, so I would humbly ask that someone...someone who can handle wiring diagrams, warning lights, microswitches, and a digital camera (while skipping rope and chewin g gum at the same time)...please, put together an illustrated tutorial (in crayon) showing just how this is done.< The wiring for the outrigger warning lights is very simple. Each light is connected using a microswitch attached to the outrigger leg. The placeme nt of the microswitch was decided on such that its lever arm would be fully depressed once the latch was engaged. Nigel Charles f==22http://www.matronics.com/Navigator=3FEuropa-List=22>http://www.matronics.com /Navigator=3FEuropa-List .matronics.com/=22>http://forums.matronics.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution=22>http://www.matronics.com/contribution --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Get fantasy football with free live scoring. 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Mike In a message dated 7/20/2008 3:44:45 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, fklein@orcasonline.com writes: Similarly, in the case at hand, I'm not sure I've ever seen or handled a "microswitch". Looking in the Acft. Spruce catalog, I find no listings, though I do see an "ultra-miniature toggle switch"...somehow, I don't think this is what would serve, nor does it suggest any clues as to what I need. _http://www.mouser.com/catalog/634/1508.pdf_ (http://www.mouser.com/catalog/634/1508.pdf) Middle of the page on right. Letters I,J,& K. Also look at the previous page for A,B,C, & D. The connection for the wire should be this type. You can use either small pushon connectors or solder a wire and cover with heat shrink tubing. When the outrigger drops down, it should press the lever that actuates the switch. These have two mounting holes in the body of the switch. These current ratings are far above what you might need.....usually less than a amp is used to make the circuit work. Some of the questions (perhaps "stupid" ones) going thru my mind are: - Is there a size or rating for the type of microswitch referred to? - Is there a specific microswitch which would be especially suitable for this application, or are we simply talking about a generic, universal type? - What size wiring would be suitable? - Would "outrigger warning lights" imply that there would be a red light and a green light, or just the absence of a green light (when the outrigger is not down and locked? Are we talking about LEDs, or some kind of bulb? I would go with only the green, otherwise you are using electrical power to have a red light constantly on. This could be annoying, especially when flying at night. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. 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