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1. 01:49 AM - DOTH Wed Conington (Paddy Clarke)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Robert C Harrison)
3. 04:18 AM - Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons (craig bastin)
4. 07:10 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Richard Iddon)
5. 08:21 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Bryan Allsop)
6. 08:42 AM - DOTH Wed Conington (R Holder)
7. 08:43 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pneumatic_Installat=EDon? (UVTReith)
8. 08:47 AM - Re: Maxi DOTH (William Harrison)
9. 09:20 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/28/08 (EMAproducts@aol.com)
10. 09:22 AM - Re: AOA (EMAproducts@aol.com)
11. 12:44 PM - Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons (steve v)
12. 01:58 PM - Re: Pneumatic Installation (Tim & Eileen Robertson)
13. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: AOA (Mike Parkin)
14. 11:55 PM - Re: Maxi DOTH (A B Milne)
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Subject: | DOTH Wed Conington |
Hi Folks,
I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and
settled on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down
the restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher
I'm afraid - 1200ish as usual,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | DOTH Wed Conington |
Sorry Paddy
I'm mending a "ding" on one leading edge !
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 29 July 2008 09:45
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Wed Conington
Hi Folks,
I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled
on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the
restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm
afraid - 1200ish as usual,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | Bio Methanol at Morrisons |
unless you have fuel lines rated for alcohol you may find your lines leaking
after a few days
unless you are prepared to purge the system with petrol after use. Methanol
WILL destroy rubber
hoses and seals quite quickly. The other issue you may have, if this
methanol is typical, then
the carbs will likely need to be re-jetted to get enough fuel to run
effectively. Having said that
though if you make the switch the engine should run cooler and remain
virtually carbon free, it is nice to use
provided you set the engine up for it
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve v
Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 7:55 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Bio Methanol at Morrisons
Hi ,
has anyone tryed the Bio Methanol at Morrisons , its not much cheaper than
unleaded but just wandering if anyone has taken the plunge,
steve.
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Subject: | DOTH Wed Conington |
Weather permitting, I should be there.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Wed Conington
Hi Folks,
I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled
on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the
restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm
afraid - 1200ish as usual,
Cheers, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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7/29/2008 6:43 AM
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Subject: | DOTH Wed Conington |
Yes.
Bryan
ist: DOTH Wed ConingtonDate: Tue=2C 29 Jul 2008 09:44:43 +0100Hi Folks=2C
I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled on
Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the restaurant so
I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm afraid - 1200ish as
usual=2C
Cheers=2C Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | DOTH Wed Conington |
Yes
Richard
(short and sharp reply a la Bryan :-) )
> Hi Folks,
> I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled
> on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the
> restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm
> afraid - 1200ish as usual,
> Cheers, Paddy
>
> Paddy Clarke
> Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pneumatic_Installat=EDon? |
Hallo Europa Family,
What an amazing response and discussion on the pneumatic installation job.
Up to now I have counted 38 eMails with 11 Europa owners are involved and I
have learned a lot of AOA, Stalls etc.
This shows that our Europa-matronics-list is the best way to communicate.
Many thanks for all this input.
My previous question however was quite simple.
As I have the Europa Stall Warner and the Dynon D 100 with its benefit to
use also the integrated AOA device, I thought why not using when it is
already there and as I have static ports on the fuselage sides, I thought
why not using the static tube (on the Europa Pitot/Static device under the
wing) as AOA probe. There are some others of us using a D 10, D 100 or D 180
with this benefit like Jos.
But general of course: first will be to fly the Aircraft and feel it.
I wish you all a good time and furthermore this alive active Europa group.
Best Regards,
Bruno Reith
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Alasdair
Is this still on? Can probably make the Sat/Sun/Mon parts of it after
all (complete with Mrs H, back from the dead and in the right hand
seat).
Willie
On 27 Jul 2008, at 07:49, A B Milne wrote:
> Anyone fancy a Scotch expedition? The plan is to base in Perth
> (EGPT) in the week Sunday 3rd August returning via the LAA Regional
> in Sherburn on 9th August. All the mainland airfields in Scotland
> and all those in the Western Isles are within 150Nm of Perth and
> Perth is East of the scottish weather line so daily expeditions for
> lunch and interest is envisaged. Perth airfield has a Skylodge on
> the airfield and the city has plenty of hotels and restaurants to
> cope with the evenings.
>
> Could any who fancy such a trip to the romantic and remote such as
> Teiree and Barra let me know.
>
> Hoping,
>
> Alasdair Milne.
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/28/08 |
Well, Fergus, you are incorrect~~ We have been selling a poor mans "HUD"
option for our RiteAngle III / Companion AOA system for over 7 years.
Won't advertise on the web, but feel free to e-mail & I'll personally
answer all inquiries. & website address. Well under US $ 800.00 Simple, common
sense approach. Basic system on Several Europa's
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
President
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
360-260-0772
In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
Fergus Kyle wrote:
>
> I have been following the subject correspondence and must say I
> think the proponents of the Europa Stall Warner have a point. Of course
the
ideal
> warning should be in a HUD, but that's a touch effete in a Europa.
> Naturally, a needle down on the instrument panel is useless for the stall
> problem.
> Just my $0.02.
> Ferg
Fergus
worth rather more than 2 cents imho :-D
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We also had a stick / seat shaker available but no one was interested
see other message to Ferg
Elbie
EMA Products
In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
Hi Ferg,
All totally true. But don't forget that most "heavy metal" with AOA also
had a stick/pedal shaker. Presumably to warn those pilots of an incipient
stall that they had missed on the indexers/HUD. As I recall for deck ops,
the F4 had an AOA audio as well as indexer lights and a head down indicator.
Certainly, ours did.
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Subject: | Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons |
Right , ok, but they are selling it at dedicated fuel pumps on the forecourt
here in the UK which means that cars and motorcycles are using it which have
the same running components as the rotax/europa combination... dosent it?
steve , (still running unleaded), G-CEBV
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Subject: | Pneumatic Installation |
Graham
I agree your sentiments and if you do not have AoA then you naturally
compensate.
Tim Robertson
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham
Singleton
Sent: 28 July 2008 21:21
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pneumatic Installation
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Mike
absolutely right, anywhere between 15 ft altitude and zero, the visual
cues are all you need. However it's the earlier stages from base leg to
late finals where AoA is more useful and ASI is less useful, (imho, I
don't have your or Fergs' experience, or Ivan's come to that) I speak as
a not very current, not very intuitive pilot but with some painful
experience. It would be nice if I can save someone from making my
mistakes again.
Graham
Mike Parkin wrote:
> I think that once in ground effect an AOA indication is a bit superfluous
on
> an aircraft that when landing is virtually stalled - monowheel anyway.
> The choice of to buy or not to buy is an individual one, and I would be
the
> last to criticise anyone's decision to fit AOA. If it works for them,
then
> great. I would personally spend the money on a better radio or a Mode S
> transponder.
> My 2 pence worth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mike
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Elbie,
All this talk about AoA, I could be persuaded to buy one for my Europa refit
- at a good price.
Regards,
Mike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EMAproducts@aol.com
Sent: 29 July 2008 17:20
Subject: Europa-List: Re: AOA
We also had a stick / seat shaker available but no one was interested
see other message to Ferg
Elbie
EMA Products
In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
Hi Ferg,
All totally true. But don't forget that most "heavy metal" with AOA also
had a stick/pedal shaker. Presumably to warn those pilots of an incipient
stall that they had missed on the indexers/HUD. As I recall for deck ops,
the F4 had an AOA audio as well as indexer lights and a head down indicator.
Certainly, ours did.
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Bob,
Yours is the only positive response so I had already cancelled. I
will try with a bit more notice some other time.
Thaonks for your own interest and hoping it does not upset your
domestics,
Yours
Alasdair
----- Original Message -----
From: William Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maxi DOTH
Alasdair
Is this still on? Can probably make the Sat/Sun/Mon parts of it after
all (complete with Mrs H, back from the dead and in the right hand
seat).
Willie
On 27 Jul 2008, at 07:49, A B Milne wrote:
Anyone fancy a Scotch expedition? The plan is to base in Perth
(EGPT) in the week Sunday 3rd August returning via the LAA Regional in
Sherburn on 9th August. All the mainland airfields in Scotland and all
those in the Western Isles are within 150Nm of Perth and Perth is East
of the scottish weather line so daily expeditions for lunch and interest
is envisaged. Perth airfield has a Skylodge on the airfield and the
city has plenty of hotels and restaurants to cope with the evenings.
Could any who fancy such a trip to the romantic and remote such as
Teiree and Barra let me know.
Hoping,
Alasdair Milne.
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