Europa-List Digest Archive

Tue 07/29/08


Total Messages Posted: 14



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 01:49 AM - DOTH Wed Conington (Paddy Clarke)
     2. 03:45 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Robert C Harrison)
     3. 04:18 AM - Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons (craig bastin)
     4. 07:10 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Richard Iddon)
     5. 08:21 AM - Re: DOTH Wed Conington (Bryan Allsop)
     6. 08:42 AM - DOTH Wed Conington (R Holder)
     7. 08:43 AM - =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pneumatic_Installat=EDon? (UVTReith)
     8. 08:47 AM - Re: Maxi DOTH (William Harrison)
     9. 09:20 AM - Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/28/08 (EMAproducts@aol.com)
    10. 09:22 AM - Re: AOA (EMAproducts@aol.com)
    11. 12:44 PM - Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons (steve v)
    12. 01:58 PM - Re: Pneumatic Installation (Tim & Eileen Robertson)
    13. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: AOA (Mike Parkin)
    14. 11:55 PM - Re: Maxi DOTH (A B Milne)
 
 
 


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    Time: 01:49:08 AM PST US
    From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
    Subject: DOTH Wed Conington
    Hi Folks, I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm afraid - 1200ish as usual, Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM


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    Time: 03:45:42 AM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: DOTH Wed Conington
    Sorry Paddy I'm mending a "ding" on one leading edge ! Regards Bob H G-PTAG Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke Sent: 29 July 2008 09:45 Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Wed Conington Hi Folks, I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm afraid - 1200ish as usual, Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM


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    Time: 04:18:47 AM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Bio Methanol at Morrisons
    unless you have fuel lines rated for alcohol you may find your lines leaking after a few days unless you are prepared to purge the system with petrol after use. Methanol WILL destroy rubber hoses and seals quite quickly. The other issue you may have, if this methanol is typical, then the carbs will likely need to be re-jetted to get enough fuel to run effectively. Having said that though if you make the switch the engine should run cooler and remain virtually carbon free, it is nice to use provided you set the engine up for it -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve v Sent: Tuesday, 29 July 2008 7:55 AM Subject: Europa-List: Bio Methanol at Morrisons Hi , has anyone tryed the Bio Methanol at Morrisons , its not much cheaper than unleaded but just wandering if anyone has taken the plunge, steve. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:43 AM


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    Time: 07:10:40 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
    Subject: DOTH Wed Conington
    Weather permitting, I should be there. Richard Iddon G-RIXS Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Wed Conington Hi Folks, I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm afraid - 1200ish as usual, Cheers, Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7/29/2008 6:43 AM


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    Time: 08:21:38 AM PST US
    From: Bryan Allsop <bryanallsop@hotmail.com>
    Subject: DOTH Wed Conington
    Yes. Bryan ist: DOTH Wed ConingtonDate: Tue=2C 29 Jul 2008 09:44:43 +0100Hi Folks=2C I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm afraid - 1200ish as usual=2C Cheers=2C Paddy Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live for mobile=2C your contacts travel with you. http://www.windowslive.com/mobile/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_mobile_ 072008


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    Time: 08:42:20 AM PST US
    From: R Holder <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
    Subject: DOTH Wed Conington
    Yes Richard (short and sharp reply a la Bryan :-) ) > Hi Folks, > I've been looking at venues for a DOTH tomorrow ( Wed 30th) and settled > on Peterborough Sibson. Unfortunately someone has burnt down the > restaurant so I've decided on Peterborough Conington. No voucher I'm > afraid - 1200ish as usual, > Cheers, Paddy > > Paddy Clarke > Europa G-KIMM


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    Time: 08:43:36 AM PST US
    From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Pneumatic_Installat=EDon?
    Hallo Europa Family, What an amazing response and discussion on the pneumatic installation job. Up to now I have counted 38 eMails with 11 Europa owners are involved and I have learned a lot of AOA, Stalls etc. This shows that our Europa-matronics-list is the best way to communicate. Many thanks for all this input. My previous question however was quite simple. As I have the Europa Stall Warner and the Dynon D 100 with its benefit to use also the integrated AOA device, I thought why not using when it is already there and as I have static ports on the fuselage sides, I thought why not using the static tube (on the Europa Pitot/Static device under the wing) as AOA probe. There are some others of us using a D 10, D 100 or D 180 with this benefit like Jos. But general of course: first will be to fly the Aircraft and feel it. I wish you all a good time and furthermore this alive active Europa group. Best Regards, Bruno Reith


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    Time: 08:47:28 AM PST US
    From: William Harrison <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Maxi DOTH
    Alasdair Is this still on? Can probably make the Sat/Sun/Mon parts of it after all (complete with Mrs H, back from the dead and in the right hand seat). Willie On 27 Jul 2008, at 07:49, A B Milne wrote: > Anyone fancy a Scotch expedition? The plan is to base in Perth > (EGPT) in the week Sunday 3rd August returning via the LAA Regional > in Sherburn on 9th August. All the mainland airfields in Scotland > and all those in the Western Isles are within 150Nm of Perth and > Perth is East of the scottish weather line so daily expeditions for > lunch and interest is envisaged. Perth airfield has a Skylodge on > the airfield and the city has plenty of hotels and restaurants to > cope with the evenings. > > Could any who fancy such a trip to the romantic and remote such as > Teiree and Barra let me know. > > Hoping, > > Alasdair Milne. > >


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    Time: 09:20:06 AM PST US
    From: EMAproducts@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Europa-List Digest: 17 Msgs - 07/28/08
    Well, Fergus, you are incorrect~~ We have been selling a poor mans "HUD" option for our RiteAngle III / Companion AOA system for over 7 years. Won't advertise on the web, but feel free to e-mail & I'll personally answer all inquiries. & website address. Well under US $ 800.00 Simple, common sense approach. Basic system on Several Europa's Elbie Elbie Mendenhall President EM Aviation, LLC 13411 NE Prairie Rd Brush Prairie, WA 98606 360-260-0772 In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: Fergus Kyle wrote: > > I have been following the subject correspondence and must say I > think the proponents of the Europa Stall Warner have a point. Of course the ideal > warning should be in a HUD, but that's a touch effete in a Europa. > Naturally, a needle down on the instrument panel is useless for the stall > problem. > Just my $0.02. > Ferg Fergus worth rather more than 2 cents imho :-D **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)


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    Time: 09:22:04 AM PST US
    From: EMAproducts@aol.com
    Subject: Re: AOA
    We also had a stick / seat shaker available but no one was interested see other message to Ferg Elbie EMA Products In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: Hi Ferg, All totally true. But don't forget that most "heavy metal" with AOA also had a stick/pedal shaker. Presumably to warn those pilots of an incipient stall that they had missed on the indexers/HUD. As I recall for deck ops, the F4 had an AOA audio as well as indexer lights and a head down indicator. Certainly, ours did. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)


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    Time: 12:44:58 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Bio Methanol at Morrisons
    From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
    Right , ok, but they are selling it at dedicated fuel pumps on the forecourt here in the UK which means that cars and motorcycles are using it which have the same running components as the rotax/europa combination... dosent it? steve , (still running unleaded), G-CEBV Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 01:58:18 PM PST US
    From: "Tim & Eileen Robertson" <terobo@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Pneumatic Installation
    Graham I agree your sentiments and if you do not have AoA then you naturally compensate. Tim Robertson -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Graham Singleton Sent: 28 July 2008 21:21 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Pneumatic Installation <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com> Mike absolutely right, anywhere between 15 ft altitude and zero, the visual cues are all you need. However it's the earlier stages from base leg to late finals where AoA is more useful and ASI is less useful, (imho, I don't have your or Fergs' experience, or Ivan's come to that) I speak as a not very current, not very intuitive pilot but with some painful experience. It would be nice if I can save someone from making my mistakes again. Graham Mike Parkin wrote: > I think that once in ground effect an AOA indication is a bit superfluous on > an aircraft that when landing is virtually stalled - monowheel anyway. > The choice of to buy or not to buy is an individual one, and I would be the > last to criticise anyone's decision to fit AOA. If it works for them, then > great. I would personally spend the money on a better radio or a Mode S > transponder. > My 2 pence worth. > > Regards, > > Mike Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:43 AM


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    Time: 03:18:08 PM PST US
    From: "Mike Parkin" <mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: AOA
    Elbie, All this talk about AoA, I could be persuaded to buy one for my Europa refit - at a good price. Regards, Mike Do not Archive From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EMAproducts@aol.com Sent: 29 July 2008 17:20 Subject: Europa-List: Re: AOA We also had a stick / seat shaker available but no one was interested see other message to Ferg Elbie EMA Products In a message dated 7/29/2008 12:00:40 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: Hi Ferg, All totally true. But don't forget that most "heavy metal" with AOA also had a stick/pedal shaker. Presumably to warn those pilots of an incipient stall that they had missed on the indexers/HUD. As I recall for deck ops, the F4 had an AOA audio as well as indexer lights and a head down indicator. Certainly, ours did. _____ Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up <http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020> for FanHouse Fantasy Football today.


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    Time: 11:55:14 PM PST US
    From: "A B Milne" <milneab@btinternet.com>
    Subject: Re: Maxi DOTH
    Bob, Yours is the only positive response so I had already cancelled. I will try with a bit more notice some other time. Thaonks for your own interest and hoping it does not upset your domestics, Yours Alasdair ----- Original Message ----- From: William Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 4:43 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Maxi DOTH Alasdair Is this still on? Can probably make the Sat/Sun/Mon parts of it after all (complete with Mrs H, back from the dead and in the right hand seat). Willie On 27 Jul 2008, at 07:49, A B Milne wrote: Anyone fancy a Scotch expedition? The plan is to base in Perth (EGPT) in the week Sunday 3rd August returning via the LAA Regional in Sherburn on 9th August. All the mainland airfields in Scotland and all those in the Western Isles are within 150Nm of Perth and Perth is East of the scottish weather line so daily expeditions for lunch and interest is envisaged. Perth airfield has a Skylodge on the airfield and the city has plenty of hotels and restaurants to cope with the evenings. Could any who fancy such a trip to the romantic and remote such as Teiree and Barra let me know. Hoping, Alasdair Milne. http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution




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