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1. 02:23 AM - Re: undercarriage configs (craig bastin)
2. 03:57 AM - Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
3. 04:15 AM - Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: sight tube (craig bastin)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: Wing incidence (Christoph Both)
6. 08:00 AM - Re: sight tube (Mike Parkin)
7. 11:24 AM - Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
8. 11:30 AM - Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
9. 11:37 AM - Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Steven Pitt)
10. 11:51 AM - Re: Cruzpro Trainable Fuel Gauge (Greg Fuchs)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (david charlesworth)
12. 12:04 PM - Re: sight tube (h&jeuropa)
13. 12:12 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (steve v)
14. 01:12 PM - Re: sight tube (Graham Singleton)
15. 01:53 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
16. 02:18 PM - Oshkosh, Europa & People (JEFF ROBERTS)
17. 02:23 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (Pete Lawless)
18. 02:25 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (Pete Lawless)
19. 03:06 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Paul McAllister)
20. 03:20 PM - Re: Oshkosh, Europa & People (TIMOTHY PHILIP WARD)
21. 03:30 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
22. 05:01 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Jeff B)
23. 05:07 PM - Re: Oshkosh, Europa & People (Jeff B)
24. 05:21 PM - Re: Oshkosh, Europa & People (Paul Boulet)
25. 10:16 PM - Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
26. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
27. 11:08 PM - Re: Re: sight tube (Greg Fuchs)
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| Subject: | undercarriage configs |
Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it the "conventional" gear
does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike
just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of the front. Which means i
guess you could say the mono is actually a
Quad :)
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david charlesworth wrote:
> The aircraft is currently configured, as a tri-gear taildragger,
David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in terms...please
elaborate.
Cheers,
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Geez, with all the tubing that's changing to all different colors of the
rainbow from the 'who knows how it will effect it' gas, I am beginning to
think of using glass tubing for the sight gauge. Maybe fully encasing it in
plastic tubing that would take over in case it ever broke from vibration.
Glass should guarantee no color shift, if it is reliable enough in this
environment.
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......
> I wonder if there are some extra volatiles crammed into Canadian auto
gas.
> the first tank of gas
>caused it to discolour and show signs of crazing.
>The replacement polyurethane quickly discoloured.
>Then I tried Bing tubing, stands up well, but soon went from a nice
>clear blue to a murky brown.
....
Dave
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Craig,
Thanks,
In the technical bulletin below, it would seem that silicone might be even
worse than some of the others at standing up well to fuel. It is listed as
"Not recommended, severe effects imminent"
That is, If this bulletin is credible...
It lists Teflon, Nylon, and Viton to be the best materials.
http://www.sentranllc.com/pdfs/tb_chem.pdf
regards,
Greg Fuchs (A050)
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>anyone considered silicon fuel line. Its not quite clear but seems to last
>well.
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Hmmm thats very interesting, we used to use it for racing when running high
octane 109+ gasoline type fuels and methanol
as it was about the only hose that wouldn't harden within a few days of
using it. It was about 15mm OD with about a 5mm wall Perhaps it wasnt
strictly silicone line. I will see
if I can find out exactly what it was and let you know. Mind you I did have
one lot of line that i threw out after it started deforming
the day after a race meet, perhaps that was true silicone line
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: sight tube
<gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Craig,
Thanks,
In the technical bulletin below, it would seem that silicone might be even
worse than some of the others at standing up well to fuel. It is listed as
"Not recommended, severe effects imminent"
That is, If this bulletin is credible...
It lists Teflon, Nylon, and Viton to be the best materials.
http://www.sentranllc.com/pdfs/tb_chem.pdf
regards,
Greg Fuchs (A050)
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>anyone considered silicon fuel line. Its not quite clear but seems to last
>well.
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Hi,
What you don't want, especially if you have not yet set up the wing lift
pins and sockets already, is to disturb the positioning of the seat
back bush as even a millimeter move up and down has a great effect on
the positioning of the wing dihedral to the fuselage. Drilling out opens
up this possibility so I would first consider cautious heat removal.
The trick is to heat the bush quickly enough so the surropunding epoxy
matrix is not heated up beyond a point where the cured epoxy heat
desintegrates, which goes pretty quickly. Epoxy glass matrix is a faily
good temperature insulator so you can work this to your advantage by
heating up quickly and then remove the bush immediately as the epoxy
softens. You will discover that in any case the epoxy in the seat back
bore will be destroyed for sure. It turns into a brown powder incapable
for any further structural design loads. So, after removal of the bush,
you must carefully remove all remaining epoxy in the seat back hole
without taking material from the seat back, though, and then start with
a fresh batch of epoxy glueing it back. I did use the 1/2 inch bolt to
line it all up making sure there was equal movement (play) both up and
down.
I have done several sets of bush removals incuding the 3/8 to 1/2 inch
concersion (which needs to be drilled) and the most useful tool I
discovered was a tapered reamer slightly larger that the inner bore of
the bush which after softening of the bush I quickly inserted and it
clawed it well and pulled it out easy. NOTE: This tool WILL destroy the
inner smoothness of the bush but in consideration of old burned up epoxy
clinging onto the textured outer bush surface which turns out impossible
to remove anyways I always replaced every bush anyways allowing a much
better adhesion to the new epoxy.
There are surprising high bending loads going into the seat back bushed
once the wings flex under load. This is caused because of the slight
differential of mounting locations between wing pin bushes outboard and
seat back bushes more inside the fuselage, with both wing pins taking
the full load of the entire bending forces of the wings. EUROPA
discovered this rather complex 3-D wing spar twisting tendency problem
about 10 years after delivery of the first kit and we all now need the
spar jackets to be added to our wings... In any case, you want the seat
back bushes refitting to be as best performed as possible.
There are some situations like popping off the metal spar cap inserts
which I had to do twice where heat is also a workable solution as I knew
the underlying glue bed of REDUX was thick enough to not transfer the
heat too quickly to the set back epoxy matrix - but I had to rehearse
the sequence before and time it very carefully to pop the cap off as
soon as possible with a tap of a chisel to prevent the underlying epoxy
matrix heating up beyond temperature limits.
Christoph Both
#223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia Canada
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of craig bastin
Sent: Sat 8/2/2008 9:45 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing incidence
<craigb@onthenet.com.au>
Chris thanks for your input, just out of curiosity (and to make my life
easier)
how did u remove the binding bush on your second set to re-bond it. I
was
considering
a half inch drill or bolt into the seat back then heating it to soften
the
redux, is this
how you removed it. I thought the redux doesnt soften till about 400
degrees, which i have concerns
about damaging the surrounding area with that much heat
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Christoph
Both
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:09 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wing incidence
Hi,
There have been comments regarding binding wing pin bushes:
Much of this is caused by a serious flaw in the Europa Builder's Manual:
when initially setting the wing spars (or XS wings) to the cockpit
module
the manual allows you to let them assume any position they like. In
other
words, the wings might hang around at 5 or more degrees wing incidence.
This
uncontrolled condition causes the wing mounting pin to increasingly
deviate
from the wing bush bore incidence in the back of the cockpit module. So,
if
you just glue in the seat back bush without taking care of approximating
as
closely as possible the 2.5 degree later wing incidence the following
will
happen for sure:
Upon finally setting the wing incidence the pins will now be a few
degrees
off level with the drilled hole level of the seat back bush, thus
binding
like crazy.
Initially I could not believe how stupid I was using a REAMER to ream
through the two wing mount bushes plus the seat back bush. YEAH, I could
now
easily remove the wing pins but the entire set up was now compromised
beyond
any airworthiness considerations. All this was caused because no hint
was
given to incorporate as closely as possible and already at the early
building stages, the 2.5 degree wing incidence so the seat back bush
would
not bind.
I fully came to terms with this much later while upgrading to 1/2
diameter
bushes. While replacing all bushes in the wings I made sure the seat
back
bush had the right angle. This almost solved the problem. However, I did
have some persistent serious binding on one side. In the end I had to
reposition one of the new wing bushes in situ, that is, floxing it in
while
the wings were mounted. Don't ask me how I managed this with the wing
fillets already on and both wings mounted. I had to create a special
sequence of steps and some innovative tools to get this resolved...
The wings are now fully up to mounting standards and go effortlessly in
and
out of the fuselage with the wing mount pins sliding in and out
smoothly.
What a joy!. Oh, by the way, you need to make a well positioned wing
mounting bracket (see picts) to achieve this as well. I can now mount my
classic wings alone, without extra tools and special assemblies. I used
pieces cut from 1/4 inch UHMW plastic sheet which is incredibly tough
but
somehow flexible and slippery when the wing spars glide on it, without
any
chance of scratching or abrasion. Incredible stuff and much better than
the
phenolic sheets!
I hope EUROPA updates the builder's manual to save us many frustrating
hours. It's a great kit, though, I must say.
Christoph Both
#223
Wolfville, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Why not 'bin' the sight tube altogether and fit an alternative gauging
system. I have twin capacitance probes and they work brilliantly.
Regards,
Mike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: 03 August 2008 11:54
Subject: RE: Europa-List: sight tube
<gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Geez, with all the tubing that's changing to all different colors of the
rainbow from the 'who knows how it will effect it' gas, I am beginning to
think of using glass tubing for the sight gauge. Maybe fully encasing it in
plastic tubing that would take over in case it ever broke from vibration.
Glass should guarantee no color shift, if it is reliable enough in this
environment.
-----Original Message-----
......
> I wonder if there are some extra volatiles crammed into Canadian auto
gas.
> the first tank of gas
>caused it to discolour and show signs of crazing.
>The replacement polyurethane quickly discoloured.
>Then I tried Bing tubing, stands up well, but soon went from a nice
>clear blue to a murky brown.
....
Dave
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Mike, Of course, this is an option. I cut two holes in the top of the tank,
between the two headrests, and placed a mechanical float in the pilot hole,
and the other one is for upgradeability of the passenger side with the same,
or other fuel-related extras (second tank input, last-chance backup, or
whatever). The goal is to have a flow rate meter to tell the pilot how much
fuel is left, unless the tank begets a leak. Although unlikely to not have
other sensory inputs like smell, the first backup would be the mechanical
float. From reading other emails, the poly tank topside might ripple over
time. Because of its narrowness, it wouldn't take much movement (whether it
be rippling, or tank-top sender nut becoming loose, from the vibration) for
the throw of the mechanical wand to stick on the sidewall of the lower tank.
If one knew this was happening, it would be an easy matter to re-adjust the
wand in the tank. On the off chance that it snuck up on the pilot during
flight, it could make it seem that there is more fuel in the tank than
actual. Thus I like the simplicity of a third backup system being a sight
gauge. You can pretty much trust that you have what you see, if it is
installed properly. And if installed into the passenger side, it would allow
inspection of the reserve fuel, which is information that my one-float
system doesn't currently have, in its non-upgraded state. A good inspection
frequency would mitigate one caveat of the sight gauge -possible leakage due
to breakdown.
Of course, one could argue that the capacitance meter would be a good
replacement for the mechanical gauge, and it is. It would not be susceptible
to slight tank swelling due to fuel. Originally, that was my plan. But
capacitance gauges don't seem to be without their problems, either, such as
being sensitive to the different fuel additives being put into the tank. For
example, the alcohol is more conductive than the non alcoholic mogas, and
from what I have read, different fuels will affect the reading, like
switching between avgas and mogas. This will hinder the accuracy of the
gauge, and one could argue that the float could be at least as accurate, if
not more so -if the user is not married to one fuel type. Of course, a float
is also cost-effective on the pocketbook.
I don't mean to be anal-ytical about it all, but maybe it has happened.
Anyway, that is why I wanted the sight tube. Everything is subject to
change, of course. I might just throw in a second float for the 3rd
redundancy, and be done with it. The second float may only get in the way
slightly to the fuel related extras that will probably be using the second
hole, so I am still looking at the site glass/tube solution for now.
Hopefully, this has answered your question adequately :)
Greg Fuchs (A050), over 800 hours into the beast
<mikenjulie.parkin@btinternet.com>
Why not 'bin' the sight tube altogether and fit an alternative gauging
system. I have twin capacitance probes and they work brilliantly.
Regards,
Mike
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Yes, it would be interesting to know. It could be worth using if the useful
lifespan is high enough. Let me know if you find out...
Greg
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 5:00 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: sight tube
Hmmm thats very interesting, we used to use it for racing when running high
octane 109+ gasoline type fuels and methanol
as it was about the only hose that wouldn't harden within a few days of
using it. It was about 15mm OD with about a 5mm wall Perhaps it wasnt
strictly silicone line. I will see
if I can find out exactly what it was and let you know. Mind you I did have
one lot of line that i threw out after it started deforming
the day after a race meet, perhaps that was true silicone line
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs
Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: sight tube
<gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
Craig,
Thanks,
In the technical bulletin below, it would seem that silicone might be even
worse than some of the others at standing up well to fuel. It is listed as
"Not recommended, severe effects imminent"
That is, If this bulletin is credible...
It lists Teflon, Nylon, and Viton to be the best materials.
http://www.sentranllc.com/pdfs/tb_chem.pdf
regards,
Greg Fuchs (A050)
___________________
>anyone considered silicon fuel line. Its not quite clear but seems to last
>well.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
5:30 PM
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| Subject: | Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Dear All,
I hope I am not repeating a thread but I would appreciate input from the
forum on where builders have positioned their regulators. My reason for
asking is that I may have an intermittent fault in the electrical generation
system and having done some fault tracing with Conrad Beale and Skydrive it
is pointing to the rectifier and the possibility that it has become 'cooked'
and thus developed the intermittent workings.
My fitment is on the flat above the pilot's footwell, but the opinion
expressed so far is that there is not enough air circulation to keep it
cool, especially after landing. I still have the side gills to the top
cowling.
Thanks in anticipation.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH Trigear XS.
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| Subject: | Cruzpro Trainable Fuel Gauge |
They look pretty nice, and being used for the marine environment, they must
be weather-proof. Don't have any experience with them though.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david miller
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 8:14 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Cruzpro Trainable Fuel Gauge
There was an article in the latest Sport Aviation on the above.
See: www.cruzpro.com
Does anyone have any knowledge or comments on this product ?
Looks as if it would be a worthwhile replacement for my current
Westach gauge, which works
well, but I don't really like to carry on once it gets down around
the 20 litre mark.
Dave
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| Subject: | undercarriage configs |
This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the
swiss config.
http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm
--- craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
> Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it
> the "conventional" gear
> does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike
> just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of
> the front. Which means i
> guess you could say the mono is actually a
> Quad :)
>
> craig
>
> do not archive
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Klein
> Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
>
>
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david
> charlesworth wrote:
>
> > The aircraft is currently configured, as a
> tri-gear taildragger,
>
> David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in
> terms...please
> elaborate.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
>
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The factory supplied sight gauge tubing is polyurethane (see Chpt 30). We noticed
it was getting hard to read because of yellowing and also very hard and brittle
after about 2 years exposure to auto gas. Decided to replace it during
our after ground loop rebuild.
Went to the Tygon web site (www.tygon.com) to find alternatives. F4040A is listed as fuel tubing. However Europa supplied a length of that with our Long Range tank. The F4040A was inside the main tank and exposed to gasoline. After about 2 years it not only was virtually opague but it was hard and brittle. Decided against F4040A.
Tygon Tech rep suggested Tygothane C210A or Tygon SE200. Tygothane C210A is polyurethane
without plasticizers. It should hold up to gasoline well. SE200 is
PVC with a teflon liner. A search of literature suggests teflon is one of the
most gasoline resistant materials.
We cut short sections of F4040A, SE200 and C210A filled them with auto gas and
plugged both ends. The gas eventually leaked out of all of them, but it was out
of the F4040A in a day or two, C210A about a month and SE200 took 3 months.
We also put short pieces in a jar of auto gas. F4040A has discolored and gotten
much stiffer in 3 months. C210A is discolored but not stiffer and SE200
the PVC has shrunk but the teflon liner has not changed.
So we are using SE200 for our sight gauge. For the Long Range tank feed, we used
C210A. We also measure fuel quantity with a pressure sensor similar to Tony
K's system feeding an input to our GRT EIS and the EIS calculates fuel usage
from flow transducers.
Attached is a photo of the sight gauge up the back of the cockpit module.
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
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| Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Hi Steve,
i originally fitted the regulator to the stb. footwell - it failed at 8 hrs.
- possibly exhaust heat on the ground,
i repositioned it behind the plenum chamber on the firewall and so far so good
60 Hrs later,
steve G-CEBV #573
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Greg
The neatest float gauge is the one Europa used to sell, It has a magnet
attached to a cork and reed switches at 8 or 10 points to read level.
Very reliable.
Best advantage of capacitance is if there's any water about in the tank
they read full scale. As you say reading varies with fuel type.
Most elegant fuel gauge is Tony K's but you have to build it yourself.
Graham
This will hinder the accuracy of the
gauge, and one could argue that the float could be at least as accurate, if
not more so -if the user is not married to one fuel type. Of course, a float
is also cost-effective on the pocketbook.
I don't mean to be anal-ytical about it all, but maybe it has happened.
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| Subject: | Re: undercarriage configs |
This looks to me like a standard conventional taildragger.......a lot like
mine. :-)
So...I'm sorry....I forgot the original question in this thread?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
In a message dated 8/3/2008 12:02:40 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
david_charlesworth@talk21.com writes:
--> Europa-List message posted by: david charlesworth
<david_charlesworth@talk21.com>
This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the
swiss config.
http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm
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I hope this doesn't bore too many of you but a personal experience that
was close to the feeling of my first flight is just too good to not
share.
I wasn't planning on going but last Monday the weather between
Nashville and KOSH was perfect. My wife could see that I was itching to
go so even though she was afraid for me to fly into Oshkosh, she gave
me her green light. I had friends that drove up and were camping, so a
tent and some personal things were all I needed stuffed into Gold Rush
and I was off!
I had a fantastic time flying over the farm lands and new windmills of
the midwest are beautiful at 3500. I had no problem flying into the
busy whitman field, but I must report that I cheated a bit going in. I
flew into Dodge county just 25 mils south of Whitman, pitched my tent
and waited for an early and hopefully slower traffic arrival. A great
evening and some new friends were found there. My decision was spot on
as you say. I found it very easy to get in line at Ripen the next
morning as the traffic was light. The weather was perfect and they
we're using a straight into approach to runway 9. In fact it was easier
than flying into some of the Saturday breakfasts around here.
Approaching KOSH from the air on a crisp morning, seeing a thousand
planes and campers on the ground with the lake in the background was
the most beautiful sight these eyes have seen in years. I'm happy to
report I can now scratch flying my homebuilt to Oshkosh off my bucket
list. To some that do it every year I'm sure it's not a big deal but to
me it was the next best thing to ___! I may even do it again next year
if the weather agrees. I got to talk to other Europa builders and
enjoyed every minute of it! On the way back I needed to make two
diversions because of weather. One of these stops caused 10 other Air
venture planes to drop down into Rockford IL. Even that turned into
something special. Two total strangers... one flying a 152 and the
other a Rans headed for Georgia became instant friends. I had to spend
the night but by the next day we I had two new, crazy aviation buddies!
I don't use the term crazy lightly on these guys. ;o) On my second
(forced by low ceilings) stop in Madison KY I had a great experience
with a slow FBO that gave me a car to go eat lunch and to wait for
things to improve.
There is nothing special in this posting except this. Aviation has
given me more experiences and better friends than anything else I've
ever done. The EAA and the show at KOSH are great but it's the quality
of people that it attracts that make it special. Wether it be there,
Sun-N-Fun or any other aviation event that I may visit in the future. I
don't believe I will need to second guess my decision to NOT install
locks on N128LJ. Happy flying to you all, and remember it's the people
that make what we do so special.
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing.
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| Subject: | undercarriage configs |
Hi David
Just for those of us who could not take our eyes off the topless young
ladies in the bottom left corner of the link, how many wheels did the Europa
have?
Regards
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
charlesworth
Sent: 03 August 2008 19:57
Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
<david_charlesworth@talk21.com>
This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the
swiss config.
http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm
--- craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
> Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it
> the "conventional" gear
> does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike
> just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of
> the front. Which means i
> guess you could say the mono is actually a
> Quad :)
>
> craig
>
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> Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM
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> Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
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>
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david
> charlesworth wrote:
>
> > The aircraft is currently configured, as a
> tri-gear taildragger,
>
> David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in
> terms...please
> elaborate.
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> Cheers,
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Just been back into the link again and the girls have gone to be replaced by
a hand writing on paper. Was it a lovely dream or did any one else see
them?
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
charlesworth
Sent: 03 August 2008 19:57
Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
<david_charlesworth@talk21.com>
This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the
swiss config.
http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm
--- craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
> Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it
> the "conventional" gear
> does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike
> just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of
> the front. Which means i
> guess you could say the mono is actually a
> Quad :)
>
> craig
>
> do not archive
>
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> Behalf Of Fred Klein
> Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
>
>
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david
> charlesworth wrote:
>
> > The aircraft is currently configured, as a
> tri-gear taildragger,
>
> David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in
> terms...please
> elaborate.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
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| Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Hi Steve,
I have mine fitted in the same place as you. Hopefully I am not
tempting fate here, but I have 4.3 years / 815 hours of trouble free
operation.
Regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh, Europa & People |
Jeff,
Sorry to have missed you at Oshkosh. Caught up with
John Wigley who very kindly took me for a fly. Arrival
at Oshkosh was a little more dramatic then yours. They
had a F22 Raptor doing low level circuits so we, with
2 others had to circle at 300ft off the end of 18R.
John handled it well. Caught up with Lance Sanford,
Don Heath and missed Paul McAlastair which was my
fault. Great show. Came 7000 miles with Gavin Lee
(another NZ Europa Builder)and was disappointed not to
see a Europa booth. However, must hand it to the
Americans, they know how to organise and run a
wonderful airshow. Hopefully catch up next time.
Regards,
Tim Ward
--- JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
> I hope this doesn't bore too many of you but a
> personal experience that
> was close to the feeling of my first flight is just
> too good to not
> share.
> I wasn't planning on going but last Monday the
> weather between
> Nashville and KOSH was perfect. My wife could see
> that I was itching to
> go so even though she was afraid for me to fly into
> Oshkosh, she gave
> me her green light. I had friends that drove up and
> were camping, so a
> tent and some personal things were all I needed
> stuffed into Gold Rush
> and I was off!
> I had a fantastic time flying over the farm lands
> and new windmills of
> the midwest are beautiful at 3500. I had no problem
> flying into the
> busy whitman field, but I must report that I cheated
> a bit going in. I
> flew into Dodge county just 25 mils south of
> Whitman, pitched my tent
> and waited for an early and hopefully slower traffic
> arrival. A great
> evening and some new friends were found there. My
> decision was spot on
> as you say. I found it very easy to get in line at
> Ripen the next
> morning as the traffic was light. The weather was
> perfect and they
> we're using a straight into approach to runway 9. In
> fact it was easier
> than flying into some of the Saturday breakfasts
> around here.
> Approaching KOSH from the air on a crisp morning,
> seeing a thousand
> planes and campers on the ground with the lake in
> the background was
> the most beautiful sight these eyes have seen in
> years. I'm happy to
> report I can now scratch flying my homebuilt to
> Oshkosh off my bucket
> list. To some that do it every year I'm sure it's
> not a big deal but to
> me it was the next best thing to ___! I may even do
> it again next year
> if the weather agrees. I got to talk to other Europa
> builders and
> enjoyed every minute of it! On the way back I needed
> to make two
> diversions because of weather. One of these stops
> caused 10 other Air
> venture planes to drop down into Rockford IL. Even
> that turned into
> something special. Two total strangers... one flying
> a 152 and the
> other a Rans headed for Georgia became instant
> friends. I had to spend
> the night but by the next day we I had two new,
> crazy aviation buddies!
> I don't use the term crazy lightly on these guys.
> ;o) On my second
> (forced by low ceilings) stop in Madison KY I had a
> great experience
> with a slow FBO that gave me a car to go eat lunch
> and to wait for
> things to improve.
> There is nothing special in this posting except
> this. Aviation has
> given me more experiences and better friends than
> anything else I've
> ever done. The EAA and the show at KOSH are great
> but it's the quality
> of people that it attracts that make it special.
> Wether it be there,
> Sun-N-Fun or any other aviation event that I may
> visit in the future. I
> don't believe I will need to second guess my
> decision to NOT install
> locks on N128LJ. Happy flying to you all, and
> remember it's the people
> that make what we do so special.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing.
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton
Christchurch.
New Zealand
Ph. 64 33515166
MOB 0210640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
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Hi David,
A quick question......what do the two NACA scoops on the top of the cowl
feed?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
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Jabiru 3300
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My regulator is positioned on top the passenger footwell, inboard, next
to the LG frame. Not a hint of failure at 400 hours.
Jeff - Baby Blue, -slightly modified, original cowl, going to paint,
this week.
steve v wrote:
>
> Hi Steve,
> i originally fitted the regulator to the stb. footwell - it failed at 8 hrs.
> - possibly exhaust heat on the ground,
> i repositioned it behind the plenum chamber on the firewall and so far so good
60 Hrs later,
>
> steve G-CEBV #573
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Jeff,
You dog! Wish I could have been there. Glad you got to go. Don't
forget Rough River in 5 weeks. Hopefully Karen will bite the bullet and
take the ride...
Jeff - Baby Blue
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
> I hope this doesn't bore too many of you but a personal experience that
> was close to the feeling of my first flight is just too good to not share.
> I wasn't planning on going but last Monday the weather between Nashville
> and KOSH was perfect. My wife could see that I was itching to go so even
> though she was afraid for me to fly into Oshkosh, she gave me her green
> light. I had friends that drove up and were camping, so a tent and some
> personal things were all I needed stuffed into Gold Rush and I was off!
> I had a fantastic time flying over the farm lands and new windmills of
> the midwest are beautiful at 3500. I had no problem flying into the busy
> whitman field, but I must report that I cheated a bit going in. I flew
> into Dodge county just 25 mils south of Whitman, pitched my tent and
> waited for an early and hopefully slower traffic arrival. A great
> evening and some new friends were found there. My decision was spot on
> as you say. I found it very easy to get in line at Ripen the next
> morning as the traffic was light. The weather was perfect and they we're
> using a straight into approach to runway 9. In fact it was easier than
> flying into some of the Saturday breakfasts around here. Approaching
> KOSH from the air on a crisp morning, seeing a thousand planes and
> campers on the ground with the lake in the background was the most
> beautiful sight these eyes have seen in years. I'm happy to report I can
> now scratch flying my homebuilt to Oshkosh off my bucket list. To some
> that do it every year I'm sure it's not a big deal but to me it was the
> next best thing to ___! I may even do it again next year if the weather
> agrees. I got to talk to other Europa builders and enjoyed every minute
> of it! On the way back I needed to make two diversions because of
> weather. One of these stops caused 10 other Air venture planes to drop
> down into Rockford IL. Even that turned into something special. Two
> total strangers... one flying a 152 and the other a Rans headed for
> Georgia became instant friends. I had to spend the night but by the next
> day we I had two new, crazy aviation buddies! I don't use the term crazy
> lightly on these guys. ;o) On my second (forced by low ceilings) stop in
> Madison KY I had a great experience with a slow FBO that gave me a car
> to go eat lunch and to wait for things to improve.
> There is nothing special in this posting except this. Aviation has given
> me more experiences and better friends than anything else I've ever
> done. The EAA and the show at KOSH are great but it's the quality of
> people that it attracts that make it special. Wether it be there,
> Sun-N-Fun or any other aviation event that I may visit in the future. I
> don't believe I will need to second guess my decision to NOT install
> locks on N128LJ. Happy flying to you all, and remember it's the people
> that make what we do so special.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing.
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Jeff you're an excellent writer and re-awakened my love of aviation.- Not
hing to add except see you in the skies;
-
Paul Boulet, N914PB, Tri gear 914 XS-with 25 hours flown off (of 40 requi
red) and undergoing annual inspection
Malibu, CA
--- On Sun, 8/3/08, JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net> wrote:
From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Oshkosh, Europa & People
I hope this doesn't bore too many of you but a personal experience that
was close to the feeling of my first flight is just too good to not
share.
I wasn't planning on going but last Monday the weather between
Nashville and KOSH was perfect. My wife could see that I was itching to
go so even though she was afraid for me to fly into Oshkosh, she gave
me her green light. I had friends that drove up and were camping, so a
tent and some personal things were all I needed stuffed into Gold Rush
and I was off!
I had a fantastic time flying over the farm lands and new windmills of
the midwest are beautiful at 3500. I had no problem flying into the
busy whitman field, but I must report that I cheated a bit going in. I
flew into Dodge county just 25 mils south of Whitman, pitched my tent
and waited for an early and hopefully slower traffic arrival. A great
evening and some new friends were found there. My decision was spot on
as you say. I found it very easy to get in line at Ripen the next
morning as the traffic was light. The weather was perfect and they
we're using a straight into approach to runway 9. In fact it was easier
than flying into some of the Saturday breakfasts around here.
Approaching KOSH from the air on a crisp morning, seeing a thousand
planes and campers on the ground with the lake in the background was
the most beautiful sight these eyes have seen in years. I'm happy to
report I can now scratch flying my homebuilt to Oshkosh off my bucket
list. To some that do it every year I'm sure it's not a big deal but to
me it was the next best thing to ___! I may even do it again next year
if the weather agrees. I got to talk to other Europa builders and
enjoyed every minute of it! On the way back I needed to make two
diversions because of weather. One of these stops caused 10 other Air
venture planes to drop down into Rockford IL. Even that turned into
something special. Two total strangers... one flying a 152 and the
other a Rans headed for Georgia became instant friends. I had to spend
the night but by the next day we I had two new, crazy aviation buddies!
I don't use the term crazy lightly on these guys. ;o) On my second
(forced by low ceilings) stop in Madison KY I had a great experience
with a slow FBO that gave me a car to go eat lunch and to wait for
things to improve.
There is nothing special in this posting except this. Aviation has
given me more experiences and better friends than anything else I've
ever done. The EAA and the show at KOSH are great but it's the quality
of people that it attracts that make it special. Wether it be there,
Sun-N-Fun or any other aviation event that I may visit in the future. I
don't believe I will need to second guess my decision to NOT install
locks on N128LJ. Happy flying to you all, and remember it's the people
that make what we do so special.
Regards,
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing.
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Hi Graham,
Yes, this magnet/reed switch idea does seem very reliable. Too bad its not
avail anymore. Hmmm.... I suppose someone can make a homegrown cork with a
magnet inside of it for the site glass/pipe, with some reed switches in the
back of it, out of the way behind the sight card.
I think the way the cap. meter reads the water at the bottom of the tank is
a great point, and a very good reason to have at least one in the system!
Was thinking of going with the Tony K idea at one point, but do not know
where to go to get the schematic/build description/programming data. Yes it
is quite elegant soln. Let me know if you have this info.
Regards,
Greg
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The neatest float gauge is the one Europa used to sell, It has a magnet
attached to a cork and reed switches at 8 or 10 points to read level.
Very reliable.
Best advantage of capacitance is if there's any water about in the tank
they read full scale. As you say reading varies with fuel type.
Most elegant fuel gauge is Tony K's but you have to build it yourself.
Graham
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Ahhhhhhhh..........Its like this information is just the prescription my
doctor ordered.
Sounds like SE200 and C210A are the clear-cut winners, depending on the
application! Thanks for the update on the experiment.
I got the picture link, and will print it out. Thanks for that. It will come
in handy.
I am looking for a 'packet' of info, or anything I can get about a fuel
'head' pressure measuring system (the time needed to completely reinvent
this wheel would force me to a new path, I admire the time some have spent
to create this soln). Let me know if you have info on this.
Thanks again,
Greg
.....snip..........
We cut short sections of F4040A, SE200 and C210A filled them with auto gas
and plugged both ends. The gas eventually leaked out of all of them, but it
was out of the F4040A in a day or two, C210A about a month and SE200 took 3
months. We also put short pieces in a jar of auto gas. F4040A has
discolored and gotten much stiffer in 3 months. C210A is discolored but not
stiffer and SE200 the PVC has shrunk but the teflon liner has not changed.
So we are using SE200 for our sight gauge. For the Long Range tank feed, we
used C210A. We also measure fuel quantity with a pressure sensor similar to
Tony K's system feeding an input to our GRT EIS and the EIS calculates fuel
usage from flow transducers.
Attached is a photo of the sight gauge up the back of the cockpit module.
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
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Jim,
BTW, I am surprised how much fuel escaped from the plugged tubes.
Could you describe how the ends were sealed? Do you think it is possible
that some fuel escaped around the seals?
Regards,
Greg F
.....snip..........
We cut short sections of F4040A, SE200 and C210A filled them with auto gas
and plugged both ends. The gas eventually leaked out of all of them, but it
was out of the F4040A in a day or two, C210A about a month and SE200 took 3
months. We also put short pieces in a jar of auto gas. F4040A has
discolored and gotten much stiffer in 3 months. C210A is discolored but not
stiffer and SE200 the PVC has shrunk but the teflon liner has not changed.
So we are using SE200 for our sight gauge. For the Long Range tank feed, we
used C210A. We also measure fuel quantity with a pressure sensor similar to
Tony K's system feeding an input to our GRT EIS and the EIS calculates fuel
usage from flow transducers.
Attached is a photo of the sight gauge up the back of the cockpit module.
Jim & Heather Butcher
N241BW
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