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Fri 08/08/08


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     1. 02:07 AM - Re: Ducati Rectifier/Regulator (Paul Stewart)
     2. 03:15 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Jan de Jong)
     3. 04:19 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (josok)
     4. 04:27 AM - Re: Maximum flap extension? (Frans Veldman)
     5. 05:08 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Bill Henderson)
     6. 06:13 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (William Daniell)
     7. 09:47 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Jan de Jong)
     8. 09:47 AM - Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (UVTReith)
     9. 10:41 AM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (Alan)
    10. 10:54 AM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
    11. 12:49 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Steve Pitt)
    12. 01:19 PM - Mogas sales (Steven Pitt)
    13. 01:23 PM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (craig bastin)
    14. 01:32 PM - Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v)
    15. 01:48 PM - Re: Mogas sales (steve v)
    16. 01:52 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
    17. 02:00 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (craig bastin)
    18. 02:02 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
    19. 02:08 PM - Re: Mogas sales (craig bastin)
    20. 02:15 PM - Re: Mogas sales (Robert C Harrison)
    21. 02:29 PM - Re: Mogas sales (Pete Lawless)
    22. 02:58 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Bill Sisley)
    23. 03:00 PM - Re: Mogas sales (Greg Fuchs)
    24. 03:10 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Karl Heindl)
    25. 03:15 PM - Re: undercarriage configs (Greg Fuchs)
    26. 04:18 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (Gary Leinberger)
    27. 04:43 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (david miller)
    28. 05:24 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (N55XS)
    29. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (JEFF ROBERTS)
    30. 07:10 PM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
    31. 08:30 PM - Re: Mogas sales (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
    32. 10:53 PM - Re: Mogas sales (craig bastin)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:07:35 AM PST US
    From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
    Subject: Re: Ducati Rectifier/Regulator
    The forum is usually a place where opinions and experiences can be shared to the benefit of all. I don't see that the tone of this thread enhances the forum or encourages new members to contribute. Given that there seems little agreement here perhaps it should be dropped. Regards Paul G-GIDY On 7 Aug 2008, at 22:32, GTH wrote: > > Josok, > > I'm so sorry you're having problems with what some of us may have > to say about technique and measurements. > You are entitled to any opinions you may have about technique, > electricity, cooling, pilotage, carburator linkage or whatever. And > so is any of us. > >> As usual a long answer, and not very much to the point. it was to >> be expected. The results you publish were first from >> investigations by your students, now from a professional >> laboratory. Students working in a professional laboratory, and >> publishing numbers without proper checking? > In France, university laboratories are encouraged to work for the > industry. As for the students, would the phD of some of them be > considered suitable for the simple thermal measurements they made ? > >> they can not be true, they do not even come close. > Josok, close to what ? > To your own measured loss numbers ? Or to what you *believe* these > numbers should be ? > >> the poor reliability of the unit is not heat related. > Understand. >> It's just a poor quality item. > Hmm. > >> IMHO no use to find cooler spots or start adding fans with their >> own reliability and fire-hazard problems > By the way, what is your proposition ? > I really can't help you, since I'm not the one with the failed > regulator and messed up circuit ;-) > > Best regards, > -- > Gilles > http://contrails.free.fr > >


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    Time: 03:15:42 AM PST US
    From: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    Hi Jos, I think I found an interesting bit of forum: http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38 Scroll down to 40% of the page. Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the 912/Ducati regulators, as follows. The regulating bridge has 4 elements: 2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504. One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output. The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the housing. The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered to a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using silicone foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to both anodes and the copper sheet. Everything potted with a potting compound. The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical connections to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging ok after startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning light stays off. The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to check continuity under heating. The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair. The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be followed at: http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297 Scroll 30% down. The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must be because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet. By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of 0.9 to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too optimistic! Newer parts may be better... I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than Ducati: http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm


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    Time: 04:19:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
    Hi Jan, Excellent information, and pretty conclusive too. The alternative regulator is what i have been looking for. Because i am at the second ducati at 160 h only, i will order one as spare. With the specs you supplied the worst power loss would be (1 + 1.3) V x 20 A is 46 W right? Regards, Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 04:27:10 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Maximum flap extension?
    From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
    It is nice to read all this information and opinions. I believe the Europa was originally designed for 30 degrees flaps. It seems to me that you don't deliberately design for 27 degrees, but choose a common round number, like 30. Also the strap on the outboard hinge points into this direction. As someone pointed out, after flight testing it appeared that 30 degrees caused the mono to fly off prematurely, so they limited the flaps to 27 degrees. It is unlikely that the flap structure has been weakened afterwards, so the flaps are most likely able to handle 30 degrees. For the rest it is a matter of personal preference whether you take advantage of this information. 3 degrees may not be worth the trouble to fuss with, on the other hand some of us go through great extends for 3 knots more speed, or 3 kilo's less weight, etc. It is tempting to achieve the best figures possible, even if they are unlikely to make a noticeable difference in real life. I agree that cranking out 40 degrees of flaps is not a good idea, the 40 degrees was only mentioned to point out that some airplanes have it and that it proves to be very useful. Basically you can't have too much flaps, especially not in a airplane that builds up speed very easily during a descent. In that respect, a maximum of 25 degrees of flaps is not ideal. BTW, We don't necessarily have to think in the direction of "more" flaps, "less" flaps (negative) is also possible with a longer stroke. Some people played with the idea to implement a negative flap option, but so far nobody actually seems to have tried it. Otherwise I would love to hear about that too. It would be nice if we could get to know what maximums the flap system could structurally deal with. Frans Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 05:08:57 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Henderson" <europabill@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    This looks like it might be a good preventative fix to do before the regulator goes bad. Might also be able to use if the regulator goes bad depending on the state of the diodes (would work great if they are not shorted. A simple check with an ohm meter would answer that.). In the regulaor I disected one diode was completely blown away and the other was shorted out so the answer would probably be NO if you want to try using after the regulator has gone bad. Also, they used MCR16N SCR's instead of the TIP154E in the one I looked at so they have changed some parts. Only the diodes were bad (Lousy installation. Looks like they were soldered to the copper plate). Sure is a pitty you can't open these up without destroying them. We could be fixing them for a whole lot less than the $150 for a new one.... Bill A010 Monowheel Classic Still Building...... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:20 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator > > Hi Jos, > > I think I found an interesting bit of forum: > http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38 > Scroll down to 40% of the page. > > Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the > 912/Ducati regulators, as follows. > The regulating bridge has 4 elements: > 2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504. > One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of > the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series > conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output. > The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the > housing. > The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati > designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered to > a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using silicone > foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to both anodes > and the copper sheet. > Everything potted with a potting compound. > The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical connections > to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging ok after > startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning light stays > off. > > The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to > check continuity under heating. > > The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair. > > The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were > doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be followed > at: > http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297 > Scroll 30% down. > The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must be > because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet. > > By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of 0.9 > to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too > optimistic! Newer parts may be better... > > I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than > Ducati: > http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm > http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm > > >


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    Time: 06:13:08 AM PST US
    From: "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co>
    Subject: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    I have always wondered about the choice of ducati for electric components - when I was in my biking days the ducati owners where the ones who had to stay at home when it rained for fear of the electrics packing it in. Will Checked by AVG. 16:55


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    Time: 09:47:38 AM PST US
    From: Jan de Jong <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    Hi Jos, That would be 46W at 20A indeed, disregarding: - extra thyristor dissipation during switching (increases loss) - small negative temperature coefficients of the voltage drops (decreases loss) I think I will get a Schicke when the time comes. Cheers, Jan de Jong


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    Time: 09:47:39 AM PST US
    From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
    Subject: Antenna Connectors for KX 125
    Dear Europa Family, Maybe somebody can help me. In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System. For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little connectors which go on the antenna calbles. The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them. Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking $ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to fix the connector. That's 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables. I'm a little bit confused about this "medical care" prices. Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get them cheaper? Many thanks for inputs. Best Regards, Bruno


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    Time: 10:41:19 AM PST US
    From: Alan <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125
    It is likely that the connectors you are looking for are BNC, 50ohm and are readily available from electronic Hobby Stores for a couple of pounds sterling. Suggest you google for BNC connectors on the Internet and have a good look at photos to confirm. In the UK I'd likely source these from Maplin, www.maplin.co.uk or RS Components, rswww.com and these sites certainly have snapshots to confirm the type Alan #0303 UVTReith wrote: > > Dear Europa Family, > > Maybe somebody can help me. > > In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System. > > For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice > little connectors which go on the antenna calbles. > > The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them. > > Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking > > $ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to > fix the connector. > > Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables. > > Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices. > > Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can > get them cheaper? > > Many thanks for inputs. > > Best Regards, > > Bruno > > * > > > *


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    Time: 10:54:23 AM PST US
    From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125
    Bruno- I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors. I expect that that is the case. You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also; I would discourage you from using them. Use only solder type. If you have any friends who are radio amateurs, they can probably help you install them on the cables. If not, you should be able to find instructions for installing them with a Google search. Installing a BNC is a little tricky, but a piece of cake for anyone who can build a Europa. In the US, the connectors sell for about $3.00 each. They are decidedly not expensive. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de> Dear Europa Family, Maybe somebody can help me. In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System. For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little connectors which go on the antenna calbles. The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them. Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking $ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to fix the connector. Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables. Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices. Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get them cheaper? Many thanks for inputs. Best Regards, Bruno <html><body> <DIV>Bruno-</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors.&nbsp; I expect that that is the case.&nbsp; You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also; I would discourage you from using them.&nbsp; Use only solder type.&nbsp; If you have any friends who are radio amateurs, they can probably help you install them on the cables.&nbsp; If not, you should be able to find instructions for installing them with a Google search.&nbsp; Installing a BNC is a little tricky, but a piece of cake for anyone who can build a Europa.&nbsp; In the US, the connectors sell for about $3.00 each.&nbsp; They are decidedly not expensive.&nbsp; </DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "UVTReith" &lt;uvtreith@t-online.de&gt; <BR> <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator> <STYLE> <!-- /* Style Definitions */ p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0cm; 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    Time: 12:49:39 PM PST US
    From: "Steve Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    Jan, As the originator of this thread a week or so ago I was very interested to read the input from 'Arrow'. Whilst the German translation needed some translating I got the drift and understand what seems to be happening. My regulator started to show signs of 'switching off' after I had flown a couple of long sectors in high heat to Scandinavia. (3 + hours at a time and chasing a faster aircraft (another Europa - monowheel)). The warning light did not come on but the volts started to degrade and then the voltage would be back up to 13+ without warning. What concerns me is that Rotax are aware of the problem but (apparently) have done nothing about it!? I purchased a new regulator from the Rotax UK dealers (Skydrive) this last weekend without any warning of the problem re-occurring. Other Europa owners have warned me of the problem and suggested the Schicke alternative. Thanks again and we will see if there is any further news from Rotax in due course. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH Trigear XS 912S ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator > > Hi Jos, > > I think I found an interesting bit of forum: > http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38 > Scroll down to 40% of the page. > > Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the > 912/Ducati regulators, as follows. > The regulating bridge has 4 elements: > 2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504. > One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of > the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series > conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output. > The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the > housing. > The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati > designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered to > a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using silicone > foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to both anodes > and the copper sheet. > Everything potted with a potting compound. > The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical connections > to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging ok after > startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning light stays > off. > > The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to > check continuity under heating. > > The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair. > > The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were > doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be followed > at: > http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297 > Scroll 30% down. > The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must be > because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet. > > By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of 0.9 > to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too > optimistic! Newer parts may be better... > > I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than > Ducati: > http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm > http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:19:17 PM PST US
    From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    Dear UK Europa owners. I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister. When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time. Has anyone else come across this problem? In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem and indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before. I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance of a discussion on the subject. I have also contacted AOPA. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com


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    Time: 01:23:34 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Antenna Connectors for KX 125
    Might I suggest you take a piece of the cable with you when you go to buy them, as there are different sizes to accomidate the different size co-axial cable (the end the that attaches to the cable that is, not the push on and turn bit that fits onto the radio back) if memory serves the cables are 5mm (probably what you have) 8mm and 10mm (not likely you have this cable, its really heavy and hard to bend) Craig Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of jimpuglise@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 3:54 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 Bruno- I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors. I expect that that is the case. You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also; I would discourage you from using them. Use only solder type. If you have any friends who are radio amateurs, they can probably help you install them on the cables. If not, you should be able to find instructions for installing them with a Google search. Installing a BNC is a little tricky, but a piece of cake for anyone who can build a Europa. In the US, the connectors sell for about $3.00 each. They are decidedly not expensive. Jim Puglise A-283 -------------- Original message -------------- From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de> Dear Europa Family, Maybe somebody can help me. In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System. For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little connectors which go on the antenna calbles. The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them. Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking $ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to fix the connector. Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables. Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices. Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get them cheaper? Many thanks for inputs. Best Regards, Bruno


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    Time: 01:32:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
    Hi , i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not. (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might be worth considering, steve G-CEBV #573 PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 01:48:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Mogas sales
    From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
    cricky!, Whats the difference between putting 20 liters in a fuel can and putting 20 liters in a fuel can thats bolted to the top of a hot engine called a motorcycle? these health & safety people are really scatching around coming up with riddiculous ideas in order to keep themselves in their overpaid feet on the table jobs! steve G-CEBV #573 - one of the idiots that works for a living. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org


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    Time: 01:52:59 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
    <<I still have the side gills to the top > cowling.>> Monitoring of the regulator surface temperature in a number of flight conditions both before and after closing off the side gills confirmed that the gills contribute nothing to the cooling of the regulator (mounted on the firewall as high and as outboard as possible). However, that may be different after shutdown; but does that matter if the regulator is no longer working and therefore not "cooking itself"? Duncan McF ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator > <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> > > Dear All, > I hope I am not repeating a thread but I would appreciate input from the > forum on where builders have positioned their regulators. My reason for > asking is that I may have an intermittent fault in the electrical > generation system and having done some fault tracing with Conrad Beale and > Skydrive it is pointing to the rectifier and the possibility that it has > become 'cooked' and thus developed the intermittent workings. > My fitment is on the flat above the pilot's footwell, but the opinion > expressed so far is that there is not enough air circulation to keep it > cool, especially after landing. I still have the side gills to the top > cowling. > Thanks in anticipation. > Steve Pitt > G-SMDH Trigear XS. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >


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    Time: 02:00:28 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    A couple of the guys have opted for a "rubber band" on the passengers stick when encountering this flying solo. Its quick easy and cheap. I went for a variation on the COZY horse shoe spring made from 6 layups of kevlar which pushes or pulls on the arm that comes up the seat back to the push rods and a servo, but i did this during CM build so not much help for you. Personally i would try the "rubber band" solution as it saves you messing up your paint job etc. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve v Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 6:32 AM Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. Hi , i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not. (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might be worth considering, steve G-CEBV #573 PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:49 PM


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    Time: 02:02:51 PM PST US
    From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
    Subject: Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    Steve, What you describe can normally be taken out with rudder trim. A bit of light bungee tied to the right rudder pedal, passed trough a small pulley attached to the firewall forward of the pedal, then back to a cleat of some form mounted within easy reach. Rgds., Duncan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:31 PM Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. > > Hi , > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has > been there > since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your > not. > (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where > should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an > electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a > ground adjustable type that might be worth considering, > > steve G-CEBV #573 > > PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > >


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    Time: 02:08:08 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    Oh come on steve those poor folks who have suffered serious head trauma in a car crash and the like need jobs too you know :) -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve v Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales cricky!, Whats the difference between putting 20 liters in a fuel can and putting 20 liters in a fuel can thats bolted to the top of a hot engine called a motorcycle? these health & safety people are really scatching around coming up with riddiculous ideas in order to keep themselves in their overpaid feet on the table jobs! steve G-CEBV #573 - one of the idiots that works for a living. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:49 PM


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    Time: 02:15:03 PM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    Hi! Steve Tesco at Market Rasen refuses to supply in 25litre plastic drums. I just go to my local garage and he welcomes me with open arms especially for cash transactions. I think you will find that the law defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your premises unless in a vehicle. I would think that being their forecourt they set the rules. When I was refused at MR I commented "You don't want business!" Whch just got a shrug of the shoulders! Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 08 August 2008 21:18 Subject: Europa-List: Mogas sales <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Dear UK Europa owners. I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister. When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time. Has anyone else come across this problem? In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem and indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before. I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance of a discussion on the subject. I have also contacted AOPA. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com


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    Time: 02:29:49 PM PST US
    From: "Pete Lawless" <pete@lawless.info>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    Hi Bob That's ok then there are currently 40 litres in the boot of my car and thus they must be legal as long as the cans stay out of the garage. Regards Pete PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C Harrison Sent: 08 August 2008 22:14 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mogas sales <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk> Hi! Steve Tesco at Market Rasen refuses to supply in 25litre plastic drums. I just go to my local garage and he welcomes me with open arms especially for cash transactions. I think you will find that the law defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your premises unless in a vehicle. I would think that being their forecourt they set the rules. When I was refused at MR I commented "You don't want business!" Whch just got a shrug of the shoulders! Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt Sent: 08 August 2008 21:18 Subject: Europa-List: Mogas sales <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> Dear UK Europa owners. I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister. When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time. Has anyone else come across this problem? In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem and indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before. I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance of a discussion on the subject. I have also contacted AOPA. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 02:58:48 PM PST US
    From: Bill Sisley <bill.sue@orcon.net.nz>
    Subject: Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    I have used a light bungy cord tied low down on the stick and going to a yacht cleat on the side of the tunnel, adjustable in flight. Works a treat. Sue & Bill steve v wrote: > > Hi , > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there > since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not. > (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might be worth considering, > > steve G-CEBV #573 > > PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > >


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    Time: 03:00:45 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    Lame Bureaucracy at work. One could skip the gas-petrol cans and perform a vehicle-to-vehicle transfer by filling up the family auto, and use it as the transfer tank using a pump of some sort. Of course, there could be some law restriction there too \:| Greg Hi Bob That's ok then there are currently 40 litres in the boot of my car and thus they must be legal as long as the cans stay out of the garage. Regards Pete PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water! Hi! Steve ... I think you will find that the law defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your premises unless in a vehicle. ... Regards Bob H G-PTAG Dear UK Europa owners. I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister. When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable ... Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH


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    Time: 03:10:14 PM PST US
    From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
    Subject: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    Steve=2C The simplest fix was suggested some time ago by=2C I think=2C Graham S. You stick a piece of white self-adhesive door seal from the Hardware store und erneath the aileron. The length is defined by trial and error. There is a p -shaped one in the ACS catalog. Karl<html><div></div>> Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questi ons.> From: s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> Date: Fri=2C 8 Aug 2008 23:31:52 +0 teve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>> > Hi =2C > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there > since constructi on=2C its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.> (with a pas senger there is no roll)=2C what material are you using =2C where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric t ab due to the work involved=2C although if anyone has fitted a ground adjus table type that might be worth considering=2C> > steve G-CEBV #573> > PS. c an the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?> > > > > > > Vi ========================> _ ==================> > >


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    Time: 03:15:15 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>
    Subject: undercarriage configs
    ?? Don't know anything about the girls, but the link gave me an error the first time I went to it. This happened after the page appeared for a few seconds. 2nd visit was ok, with the handwriting on paper. Maybe they were scrolled out of sight offpage the first time LOL Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:21 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs Just been back into the link again and the girls have gone to be replaced by a hand writing on paper. Was it a lovely dream or did any one else see them? Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david charlesworth Sent: 03 August 2008 19:57 Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs <david_charlesworth@talk21.com> This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the swiss config. http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm --- craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote: > <craigb@onthenet.com.au> > > Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it > the "conventional" gear > does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike > just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of > the front. Which means i > guess you could say the mono is actually a > Quad :) > > craig > > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On > Behalf Of Fred Klein > Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs > > > <fklein@orcasonline.com> > > > On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david > charlesworth wrote: > > > The aircraft is currently configured, as a > tri-gear taildragger, > > David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in > terms...please > elaborate. > > Cheers, > > Fred > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 5:30 PM > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.


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    Time: 04:18:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Rough River
    From: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>
    My wife and I will be there - Gary Leinberger A237 ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can communicate it to everyone. Hi Paul, I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night. See you in September. Regards, John Lawton Whitwell, TN (TN89) N245E - Flying ________________________________ Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000500 00000017> .


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    Time: 04:43:09 PM PST US
    From: david miller <loboloda@execulink.com>
    Subject: Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
    Steve, I used this method, but used about a 5" long section of 3/4" balsa trailing edge from a model shop, just taped on with white duct tape. Dave On 8-Aug-08, at 6:08 PM, Karl Heindl wrote: > Steve, > > The simplest fix was suggested some time ago by, I think, Graham S. > You stick a piece of white self-adhesive door seal from the > Hardware store underneath the aileron. The length is defined by > trial and error. There is a p-shaped one in the ACS catalog. > > Karl > > <html><div></div> > > > Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. > > From: s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk > > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:31:52 +0300 > > To: europa-list@matronics.com > > > <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> > > > > Hi , > > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll > that has been there > > since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring > when your not. > > (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you > using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im > not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved, > although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might > be worth considering, > > > > steve G-CEBV #573 > > > > PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > &g Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >===================== > >===== > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US
    From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Rough River
    Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport... Thanks... Jeff Gary Leinberger wrote: > My wife and I will be there - > > Gary Leinberger > A237 > > ________________________________ > > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com > Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River > > > > > In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com writes: > > So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For > anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can > communicate it to everyone. > > > Hi Paul, > > I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night. > > See you in September. > > Regards, > > John Lawton > Whitwell, TN (TN89) > N245E - Flying > > > > ________________________________ > > Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos <http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017> . > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --


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    Time: 06:57:52 PM PST US
    From: JEFF ROBERTS <jeff@rmmm.net>
    Subject: Re: Rough River
    Jeff, I'll bring a Mr. Funnel. Good for pouring mogas through. Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing slowly. On Aug 8, 2008, at 7:22 PM, N55XS wrote: > > Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind > as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport... > Thanks... > > Jeff > > Gary Leinberger wrote: >> My wife and I will be there - >> Gary Leinberger >> A237 >> ________________________________ >> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of >> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com >> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM >> To: europa-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River >> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >> europa-list@matronics.com writes: >> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For >> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can >> communicate it to everyone. >> Hi Paul, >> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a >> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night. >> See you in September. >> Regards, >> John Lawton >> Whitwell, TN (TN89) >> N245E - Flying >> ________________________________ >> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read >> reviews on AOL Autos >> <http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review? >> ncid=aolaut00050000000017> . >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> -- > > > -- > >


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    Time: 07:10:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@YAHOO.COM>
    Swift Fuels Home: Meet Our Team Test Videos Swift Renewable Fuels Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution. Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications. The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL No need for stabilizers or additives More Information Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197464#197464


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    Time: 08:30:41 PM PST US
    From: DuaneFamly@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Mogas sales
    In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pete@lawless.info writes: PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water! Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel these days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most expensive for fuel at $3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and about $4.35 for the 92 octane stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then again, we can get as much as we like? Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


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    Time: 10:53:30 PM PST US
    From: "craig bastin" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
    Subject: Mogas sales
    In australia prices are roughly (conversion to UDS done) $4.82 / gal for 91octane and about $5.60 / gal for 98 octane and about $6.00 a gal for diesel and thats in the no state tax state (queensland) the other states can add about 30c a gallon in state tax. Just as an aside to the price has anyone here put a hydrogen cell on their car to reduce fuel consumption. I am tinkering with one now for my car and am thinking this may be good for the plane as well. regards craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 1:29 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pete@lawless.info writes: PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water! Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel these days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most expensive for fuel at $3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and about $4.35 for the 92 octane stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then again, we can get as much as we like? Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos.




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