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1. 02:07 AM - Re: Ducati Rectifier/Regulator (Paul Stewart)
2. 03:15 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Jan de Jong)
3. 04:19 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (josok)
4. 04:27 AM - Re: Maximum flap extension? (Frans Veldman)
5. 05:08 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Bill Henderson)
6. 06:13 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (William Daniell)
7. 09:47 AM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Jan de Jong)
8. 09:47 AM - Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (UVTReith)
9. 10:41 AM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (Alan)
10. 10:54 AM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 12:49 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Steve Pitt)
12. 01:19 PM - Mogas sales (Steven Pitt)
13. 01:23 PM - Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 (craig bastin)
14. 01:32 PM - Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v)
15. 01:48 PM - Re: Mogas sales (steve v)
16. 01:52 PM - Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
17. 02:00 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (craig bastin)
18. 02:02 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
19. 02:08 PM - Re: Mogas sales (craig bastin)
20. 02:15 PM - Re: Mogas sales (Robert C Harrison)
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22. 02:58 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Bill Sisley)
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Subject: | Re: Ducati Rectifier/Regulator |
The forum is usually a place where opinions and experiences can be
shared to the benefit of all. I don't see that the tone of this
thread enhances the forum or encourages new members to contribute.
Given that there seems little agreement here perhaps it should be
dropped.
Regards
Paul
G-GIDY
On 7 Aug 2008, at 22:32, GTH wrote:
>
> Josok,
>
> I'm so sorry you're having problems with what some of us may have
> to say about technique and measurements.
> You are entitled to any opinions you may have about technique,
> electricity, cooling, pilotage, carburator linkage or whatever. And
> so is any of us.
>
>> As usual a long answer, and not very much to the point. it was to
>> be expected. The results you publish were first from
>> investigations by your students, now from a professional
>> laboratory. Students working in a professional laboratory, and
>> publishing numbers without proper checking?
> In France, university laboratories are encouraged to work for the
> industry. As for the students, would the phD of some of them be
> considered suitable for the simple thermal measurements they made ?
>
>> they can not be true, they do not even come close.
> Josok, close to what ?
> To your own measured loss numbers ? Or to what you *believe* these
> numbers should be ?
>
>> the poor reliability of the unit is not heat related.
> Understand.
>> It's just a poor quality item.
> Hmm.
>
>> IMHO no use to find cooler spots or start adding fans with their
>> own reliability and fire-hazard problems
> By the way, what is your proposition ?
> I really can't help you, since I'm not the one with the failed
> regulator and messed up circuit ;-)
>
> Best regards,
> --
> Gilles
> http://contrails.free.fr
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Hi Jos,
I think I found an interesting bit of forum:
http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38
Scroll down to 40% of the page.
Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the
912/Ducati regulators, as follows.
The regulating bridge has 4 elements:
2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504.
One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of
the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series
conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output.
The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the
housing.
The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati
designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered
to a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using
silicone foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to
both anodes and the copper sheet.
Everything potted with a potting compound.
The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical
connections to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging
ok after startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning
light stays off.
The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to
check continuity under heating.
The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair.
The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were
doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be
followed at:
http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297
Scroll 30% down.
The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must
be because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet.
By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of
0.9 to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too
optimistic! Newer parts may be better...
I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than
Ducati:
http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm
http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Hi Jan,
Excellent information, and pretty conclusive too.
The alternative regulator is what i have been looking for.
Because i am at the second ducati at 160 h only, i will order one as spare.
With the specs you supplied the worst power loss would be (1 + 1.3) V x 20 A is
46 W right?
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: Maximum flap extension? |
It is nice to read all this information and opinions.
I believe the Europa was originally designed for 30 degrees flaps. It seems to
me that you don't deliberately design for 27 degrees, but choose a common round
number, like 30. Also the strap on the outboard hinge points into this direction.
As someone pointed out, after flight testing it appeared that 30 degrees caused
the mono to fly off prematurely, so they limited the flaps to 27 degrees. It
is unlikely that the flap structure has been weakened afterwards, so the flaps
are most likely able to handle 30 degrees.
For the rest it is a matter of personal preference whether you take advantage of
this information. 3 degrees may not be worth the trouble to fuss with, on the
other hand some of us go through great extends for 3 knots more speed, or 3
kilo's less weight, etc. It is tempting to achieve the best figures possible,
even if they are unlikely to make a noticeable difference in real life.
I agree that cranking out 40 degrees of flaps is not a good idea, the 40 degrees
was only mentioned to point out that some airplanes have it and that it proves
to be very useful. Basically you can't have too much flaps, especially not
in a airplane that builds up speed very easily during a descent. In that respect,
a maximum of 25 degrees of flaps is not ideal.
BTW, We don't necessarily have to think in the direction of "more" flaps, "less"
flaps (negative) is also possible with a longer stroke. Some people played with
the idea to implement a negative flap option, but so far nobody actually seems
to have tried it. Otherwise I would love to hear about that too.
It would be nice if we could get to know what maximums the flap system could structurally
deal with.
Frans
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
This looks like it might be a good preventative fix to do before the
regulator goes bad. Might also be able to use if the regulator goes bad
depending on the state of the diodes (would work great if they are not
shorted. A simple check with an ohm meter would answer that.). In the
regulaor I disected one diode was completely blown away and the other was
shorted out so the answer would probably be NO if you want to try using
after the regulator has gone bad. Also, they used MCR16N SCR's instead of
the TIP154E in the one I looked at so they have changed some parts. Only
the diodes were bad (Lousy installation. Looks like they were soldered to
the copper plate). Sure is a pitty you can't open these up without
destroying them. We could be fixing them for a whole lot less than the $150
for a new one....
Bill
A010
Monowheel Classic
Still Building......
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
>
> Hi Jos,
>
> I think I found an interesting bit of forum:
> http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38
> Scroll down to 40% of the page.
>
> Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the
> 912/Ducati regulators, as follows.
> The regulating bridge has 4 elements:
> 2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504.
> One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of
> the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series
> conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output.
> The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the
> housing.
> The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati
> designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered to
> a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using silicone
> foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to both anodes
> and the copper sheet.
> Everything potted with a potting compound.
> The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical connections
> to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging ok after
> startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning light stays
> off.
>
> The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to
> check continuity under heating.
>
> The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair.
>
> The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were
> doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be followed
> at:
> http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297
> Scroll 30% down.
> The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must be
> because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet.
>
> By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of 0.9
> to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too
> optimistic! Newer parts may be better...
>
> I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than
> Ducati:
> http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm
> http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm
>
>
>
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Subject: | Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
I have always wondered about the choice of ducati for electric components -
when I was in my biking days the ducati owners where the ones who had to
stay at home when it rained for fear of the electrics packing it in.
Will
Checked by AVG.
16:55
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Hi Jos,
That would be 46W at 20A indeed, disregarding:
- extra thyristor dissipation during switching (increases loss)
- small negative temperature coefficients of the voltage drops
(decreases loss)
I think I will get a Schicke when the time comes.
Cheers,
Jan de Jong
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Subject: | Antenna Connectors for KX 125 |
Dear Europa Family,
Maybe somebody can help me.
In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System.
For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little
connectors which go on the antenna calbles.
The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them.
Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking
$ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to fix
the connector.
That's 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables.
I'm a little bit confused about this "medical care" prices.
Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get
them cheaper?
Many thanks for inputs.
Best Regards,
Bruno
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Subject: | Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 |
It is likely that the connectors you are looking for are BNC, 50ohm and
are readily available from electronic Hobby Stores for a couple of
pounds sterling.
Suggest you google for BNC connectors on the Internet and have a good
look at photos to confirm.
In the UK I'd likely source these from Maplin, www.maplin.co.uk or RS
Components, rswww.com and these sites certainly have snapshots to
confirm the type
Alan
#0303
UVTReith wrote:
>
> Dear Europa Family,
>
> Maybe somebody can help me.
>
> In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System.
>
> For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice
> little connectors which go on the antenna calbles.
>
> The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them.
>
> Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking
>
> $ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to
> fix the connector.
>
> Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables.
>
> Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices.
>
> Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can
> get them cheaper?
>
> Many thanks for inputs.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Bruno
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Subject: | Re: Antenna Connectors for KX 125 |
Bruno-
I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors. I expect that that
is the case. You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also; I would discourage
you from using them. Use only solder type. If you have any friends who are
radio amateurs, they can probably help you install them on the cables. If
not, you should be able to find instructions for installing them with a Google
search. Installing a BNC is a little tricky, but a piece of cake for anyone
who can build a Europa. In the US, the connectors sell for about $3.00 each.
They are decidedly not expensive.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
Dear Europa Family,
Maybe somebody can help me.
In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System.
For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little connectors
which go on the antenna calbles.
The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them.
Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking
$ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to fix the connector.
Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables.
Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices.
Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get them cheaper?
Many thanks for inputs.
Best Regards,
Bruno
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<DIV>I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors. I expect
that that is the case. You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also;
I would discourage you from using them. Use only solder type. If you
have any friends who are radio amateurs, they can probably help you install
them on the cables. If not, you should be able to find instructions for
installing them with a Google search. Installing a BNC is a little tricky,
but a piece of cake for anyone who can build a Europa. In the US, the
connectors sell for about $3.00 each. They are decidedly not expensive.
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
Jan,
As the originator of this thread a week or so ago I was very interested to
read the input from 'Arrow'. Whilst the German translation needed some
translating I got the drift and understand what seems to be happening. My
regulator started to show signs of 'switching off' after I had flown a
couple of long sectors in high heat to Scandinavia. (3 + hours at a time and
chasing a faster aircraft (another Europa - monowheel)). The warning light
did not come on but the volts started to degrade and then the voltage would
be back up to 13+ without warning.
What concerns me is that Rotax are aware of the problem but (apparently)
have done nothing about it!? I purchased a new regulator from the Rotax UK
dealers (Skydrive) this last weekend without any warning of the problem
re-occurring.
Other Europa owners have warned me of the problem and suggested the Schicke
alternative.
Thanks again and we will see if there is any further news from Rotax in due
course.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH Trigear XS 912S
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan de Jong" <jan.de.jong@xs4all.nl>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
>
> Hi Jos,
>
> I think I found an interesting bit of forum:
> http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7756&sid=542ce097cbdde3a5ceba2e5bd0d71c38
> Scroll down to 40% of the page.
>
> Writer Arrow is convinced that he has found the problem with the
> 912/Ducati regulators, as follows.
> The regulating bridge has 4 elements:
> 2 power diodes MR2510 and 2 thyristors TP154E (obsolete) or 2N6504.
> One diode and one thyristor in series conduct part of one half sinus of
> the alternator output, the other diode and other thyristor in series
> conduct part of the other half sinus of the alternator output.
> The thyristors have TO220AB packaging and are mounted directly to the
> housing.
> The diodes have MICRODE BUTTON CASE 193 leadless packaging and Ducati
> designed a mounting technique: both diodes with their cathodes soldered to
> a small copper sheet, copper sheet mounted to the housing using silicone
> foil heat conducting isolation; wires to the PCB soldered to both anodes
> and the copper sheet.
> Everything potted with a potting compound.
> The problem is that heating/cooling cycles work the electrical connections
> to the diodes loose. The symptoms are as follows: charging ok after
> startup (13.8V), losing it after half an hour, but the warning light stays
> off.
>
> The writer has a diagnostic test using a battery and two 12V lamps to
> check continuity under heating.
>
> The writer has a solution: parallelling the diodes with an external pair.
>
> The writer has notified Rotax and asked them what they had done / were
> doing about the problem (January 2008). The correspondence can be followed
> at:
> http://www.pilots24.com/pilots24/forum/viewtopic.php?p=48297&highlight=#48297
> Scroll 30% down.
> The upshot seems to be that Rotax knows there is a problem but it must be
> because units are operated above 80C. No redesign yet.
>
> By the way, Jos, the MR2510 datasheet shows a forward voltage drop of 0.9
> to 1.0V at 20A, the 2N6504 one of 1.3V at 20A. Your 0.6V is too
> optimistic! Newer parts may be better...
>
> I understand that Schicke and Silent-Hektik make a better product than
> Ducati:
> http://www.schicke-electronic.de/dgr3.htm
> http://www.silent-hektik.com/Duc_R_Duc.htm
>
>
>
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Dear UK Europa owners.
I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West
Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister.
When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading
Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable
although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time.
Has anyone else come across this problem?
In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any
problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem and
indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before.
I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance of a
discussion on the subject.
I have also contacted AOPA.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Subject: | Antenna Connectors for KX 125 |
Might I suggest you take a piece of the cable with you when you go to buy
them, as there are different sizes
to accomidate the different size co-axial cable (the end the that attaches
to the cable that is, not the push on and turn bit that fits onto the radio
back)
if memory serves the cables are 5mm (probably what you have) 8mm and 10mm
(not likely you have this cable, its really heavy and hard to bend)
Craig
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jimpuglise@comcast.net
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 3:54 AM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Antenna Connectors for KX 125
Bruno-
I saw someone respond that they were probably BNC connectors. I expect
that that is the case. You can buy "solderless" BNC connectors also; I
would discourage you from using them. Use only solder type. If you have
any friends who are radio amateurs, they can probably help you install them
on the cables. If not, you should be able to find instructions for
installing them with a Google search. Installing a BNC is a little tricky,
but a piece of cake for anyone who can build a Europa. In the US, the
connectors sell for about $3.00 each. They are decidedly not expensive.
Jim Puglise A-283
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From: "UVTReith" <uvtreith@t-online.de>
Dear Europa Family,
Maybe somebody can help me.
In my Europa I have installed a KX 125 Com/Nav System.
For this I need urgently 2 antenna connectors, just only the nice little
connectors which go on the antenna calbles.
The normal aircraft equipment supply shops do not have them.
Now I have asked a proper aircraft maintenance shop and they are asking
$ 50,20 per item for the connector and $ 10,00 per item for a ring to
fix the connector.
Thats 120,20 dollar just for connecting the antenna cables.
Im a little bit confused about this medical care prices.
Are these prices correct or is there somewhere a source, where I can get
them cheaper?
Many thanks for inputs.
Best Regards,
Bruno
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Subject: | Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Hi ,
i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there
since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.
(with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should
it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric
tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable
type that might be worth considering,
steve G-CEBV #573
PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
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cricky!, Whats the difference between putting 20 liters in a fuel can and putting
20 liters in a fuel can thats bolted to the top of a hot engine called a motorcycle?
these health & safety people are really scatching around
coming up with riddiculous ideas in order to keep themselves in their
overpaid feet on the table jobs!
steve G-CEBV #573 - one of the idiots that works for a living.
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Subject: | Re: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator |
<<I still have the side gills to the top
> cowling.>>
Monitoring of the regulator surface temperature in a number of flight
conditions both before and after closing off the side gills confirmed that
the gills contribute nothing to the cooling of the regulator (mounted on the
firewall as high and as outboard as possible).
However, that may be different after shutdown; but does that matter if the
regulator is no longer working and therefore not "cooking itself"?
Duncan McF
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From: "Steven Pitt" <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Ducatti Rectifier/Regulator
> <steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
>
> Dear All,
> I hope I am not repeating a thread but I would appreciate input from the
> forum on where builders have positioned their regulators. My reason for
> asking is that I may have an intermittent fault in the electrical
> generation system and having done some fault tracing with Conrad Beale and
> Skydrive it is pointing to the rectifier and the possibility that it has
> become 'cooked' and thus developed the intermittent workings.
> My fitment is on the flat above the pilot's footwell, but the opinion
> expressed so far is that there is not enough air circulation to keep it
> cool, especially after landing. I still have the side gills to the top
> cowling.
> Thanks in anticipation.
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH Trigear XS.
>
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Subject: | Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
A couple of the guys have opted for a "rubber band" on the passengers stick
when encountering this
flying solo. Its quick easy and cheap. I went for a variation on the COZY
horse shoe spring
made from 6 layups of kevlar which pushes or pulls on the arm that comes up
the seat back to the push rods
and a servo, but i did this during CM build so not much help for you.
Personally i would try the "rubber band"
solution as it saves you messing up your paint job etc.
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of steve v
Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 6:32 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
Hi ,
i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been
there
since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.
(with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where
should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an
electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a
ground adjustable type that might be worth considering,
steve G-CEBV #573
PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
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Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Steve,
What you describe can normally be taken out with rudder trim.
A bit of light bungee tied to the right rudder pedal, passed trough a small
pulley attached to the firewall forward of the pedal, then back to a cleat
of some form mounted within easy reach.
Rgds.,
Duncan.
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From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
>
> Hi ,
> i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has
> been there
> since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your
> not.
> (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where
> should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an
> electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a
> ground adjustable type that might be worth considering,
>
> steve G-CEBV #573
>
> PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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Oh come on steve those poor folks who have suffered serious head trauma in a
car crash and the like
need jobs too you know :)
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Sent: Saturday, 9 August 2008 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales
cricky!, Whats the difference between putting 20 liters in a fuel can and
putting 20 liters in a fuel can thats bolted to the top of a hot engine
called a motorcycle? these health & safety people are really scatching
around
coming up with riddiculous ideas in order to keep themselves in their
overpaid feet on the table jobs!
steve G-CEBV #573 - one of the idiots that works for a living.
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Hi! Steve
Tesco at Market Rasen refuses to supply in 25litre plastic drums.
I just go to my local garage and he welcomes me with open arms
especially for cash transactions. I think you will find that the law
defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your
premises unless in a vehicle.
I would think that being their forecourt they set the rules. When I was
refused at MR I commented "You don't want business!" Whch just got a
shrug of the shoulders!
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: 08 August 2008 21:18
Subject: Europa-List: Mogas sales
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Dear UK Europa owners.
I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West
Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister.
When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading
Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable
although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time.
Has anyone else come across this problem?
In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any
problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem
and
indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before.
I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance
of a
discussion on the subject.
I have also contacted AOPA.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Hi Bob
That's ok then there are currently 40 litres in the boot of my car and thus
they must be legal as long as the cans stay out of the garage.
Regards
Pete
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert C
Harrison
Sent: 08 August 2008 22:14
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mogas sales
<ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Hi! Steve
Tesco at Market Rasen refuses to supply in 25litre plastic drums.
I just go to my local garage and he welcomes me with open arms
especially for cash transactions. I think you will find that the law
defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your
premises unless in a vehicle.
I would think that being their forecourt they set the rules. When I was
refused at MR I commented "You don't want business!" Whch just got a
shrug of the shoulders!
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: 08 August 2008 21:18
Subject: Europa-List: Mogas sales
<steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com>
Dear UK Europa owners.
I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West
Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister.
When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading
Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable
although 10 and 5 are as long as you only buy 15 litres at a time.
Has anyone else come across this problem?
In 2 + years of flying my Europa this is the first time I have had any
problems. I have used several Tesco and Shell garages without problem
and
indeed filled up with 60 litres at Tesco Winchester only 2 weeks before.
I have contacted Trading Standards to seek dispensation and the chance
of a
discussion on the subject.
I have also contacted AOPA.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
I have used a light bungy cord tied low down on the stick and going to a
yacht cleat on the side of the tunnel, adjustable in flight.
Works a treat.
Sue & Bill
steve v wrote:
>
> Hi ,
> i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there
> since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.
> (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should
it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric
tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable
type that might be worth considering,
>
> steve G-CEBV #573
>
> PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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Lame Bureaucracy at work. One could skip the gas-petrol cans and perform a
vehicle-to-vehicle transfer by filling up the family auto, and use it as the
transfer tank using a pump of some sort. Of course, there could be some law
restriction there too \:|
Greg
Hi Bob
That's ok then there are currently 40 litres in the boot of my car and thus
they must be legal as long as the cans stay out of the garage.
Regards
Pete
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
Hi! Steve
...
I think you will find that the law
defines metal cans and you can only keep 2 gallons maximum on your
premises unless in a vehicle.
...
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
Dear UK Europa owners.
I have been refused the sale of Mogas at a Tesco petrol station in West
Sussex, on the grounds of using a clearly marked 20 litre fuel canister.
When I queried this, I was shown a West Sussex County Council Trading
Standards notice setting out that 20 litre containers are not acceptable
...
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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Subject: | Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Steve=2C
The simplest fix was suggested some time ago by=2C I think=2C Graham S. You
stick a piece of white self-adhesive door seal from the Hardware store und
erneath the aileron. The length is defined by trial and error. There is a p
-shaped one in the ACS catalog.
Karl<html><div></div>> Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questi
ons.> From: s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk> Date: Fri=2C 8 Aug 2008 23:31:52 +0
teve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>> > Hi =2C > i need to fit a trim tab
to counter the very slight left roll that has been there > since constructi
on=2C its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.> (with a pas
senger there is no roll)=2C what material are you using =2C where should it
be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric t
ab due to the work involved=2C although if anyone has fitted a ground adjus
table type that might be worth considering=2C> > steve G-CEBV #573> > PS. c
an the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?> > > > > > > Vi
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Subject: | undercarriage configs |
??
Don't know anything about the girls, but the link gave me an error the first
time I went to it. This happened after the page appeared for a few seconds.
2nd visit was ok, with the handwriting on paper. Maybe they were scrolled
out of sight offpage the first time LOL
Do not archive
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Lawless
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:21 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
Just been back into the link again and the girls have gone to be replaced by
a hand writing on paper. Was it a lovely dream or did any one else see
them?
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of david
charlesworth
Sent: 03 August 2008 19:57
Subject: RE: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
<david_charlesworth@talk21.com>
This may help, the photos in this link illustrate the
swiss config.
http://ccande.isuisse.com/europa.htm
--- craig bastin <craigb@onthenet.com.au> wrote:
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
>
> Well i suppose if you want to be pedantic about it
> the "conventional" gear
> does have 3 wheels so it is still a trike
> just got the castoring wheel at the back instead of
> the front. Which means i
> guess you could say the mono is actually a
> Quad :)
>
> craig
>
> do not archive
>
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> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On
> Behalf Of Fred Klein
> Sent: Sunday, 3 August 2008 12:45 PM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: undercarriage configs
>
>
> <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>
>
> On Saturday, Aug 2, 2008, at 12:07 US/Pacific, david
> charlesworth wrote:
>
> > The aircraft is currently configured, as a
> tri-gear taildragger,
>
> David...this appears to me to be a contradiction in
> terms...please
> elaborate.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Fred
>
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My wife and I will be there -
Gary Leinberger
A237
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
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Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
europa-list@matronics.com writes:
So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
communicate it to everyone.
Hi Paul,
I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a room
reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
See you in September.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Steve,
I used this method, but used about a 5" long section of 3/4" balsa
trailing edge from a model shop,
just taped on with white duct tape.
Dave
On 8-Aug-08, at 6:08 PM, Karl Heindl wrote:
> Steve,
>
> The simplest fix was suggested some time ago by, I think, Graham S.
> You stick a piece of white self-adhesive door seal from the
> Hardware store underneath the aileron. The length is defined by
> trial and error. There is a p-shaped one in the ACS catalog.
>
> Karl
>
> <html><div></div>
>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
> > From: s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk
> > Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:31:52 +0300
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >
> <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
> >
> > Hi ,
> > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll
> that has been there
> > since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring
> when your not.
> > (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you
> using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im
> not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved,
> although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might
> be worth considering,
> >
> > steve G-CEBV #573
> >
> > PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind as
to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
Thanks...
Jeff
Gary Leinberger wrote:
> My wife and I will be there -
>
> Gary Leinberger
> A237
>
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> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
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> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, europa-list@matronics.com
writes:
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> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
> communicate it to everyone.
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a room reserved
at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
>
> See you in September.
>
> Regards,
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> N245E - Flying
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Jeff,
I'll bring a Mr. Funnel. Good for pouring mogas through.
Jeff R.
A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing slowly.
On Aug 8, 2008, at 7:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
>
> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind
> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
> Thanks...
>
> Jeff
>
> Gary Leinberger wrote:
>> My wife and I will be there -
>> Gary Leinberger
>> A237
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>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
>> communicate it to everyone.
>> Hi Paul,
>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
>> See you in September.
>> Regards,
>> John Lawton
>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>> N245E - Flying
>> ________________________________
>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
>> reviews on AOL Autos
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In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pete@lawless.info writes:
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel these
days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most expensive for fuel at
$3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and about $4.35 for the 92 octane
stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then again, we can get as much as we
like?
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Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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In australia prices are roughly (conversion to UDS done) $4.82 / gal for
91octane and about $5.60 / gal for 98 octane and about $6.00 a gal for
diesel
and thats in the no state tax state (queensland) the other states can add
about 30c a gallon in state tax.
Just as an aside to the price has anyone here put a hydrogen cell on their
car to reduce fuel consumption. I am tinkering with one now for my car
and am thinking this may be good for the plane as well.
regards
craig
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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales
In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pete@lawless.info writes:
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel these
days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most expensive for
fuel at $3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and about $4.35 for the 92
octane stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then again, we can get as much
as we like?
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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