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1. 12:03 AM - LAA Rally Sherburn in Elmet.(EGCJ) (Robert C Harrison)
2. 12:30 AM - Re: Mogas sales (Pete Lawless)
3. 12:57 AM - Re: Mogas sales (Richard Iddon)
4. 06:04 AM - Re: Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA warning units (Richard Iddon)
5. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Rough River (david miller)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: Rough River (Troy Maynor)
7. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA warning units (Ivor Phillips)
8. 10:42 AM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v)
9. 11:20 AM - Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Fred Klein)
10. 12:01 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v)
11. 01:21 PM - Carriage of Petrol (Frank Mycroft)
12. 01:48 PM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Steve Pitt)
13. 03:20 PM - Spinner base diameter (flyingphil2)
14. 03:46 PM - Re: Spinner base diameter (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
15. 05:02 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Jerry Rehn)
16. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (N55XS)
17. 05:15 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (N55XS)
18. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (N55XS)
19. 06:14 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
20. 06:30 PM - Re: Re: Rough River (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
21. 11:08 PM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (RoddyEuropa@aol.com)
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| Subject: | LAA Rally Sherburn in Elmet.(EGCJ) |
Hi! ALL
Was up at 5am preparing for the 50 mile trip to the rally ! At 7am I
fixed
my passenger to come. At 0730 I walked outside and couldn't see =BD mile
!
Obviously the front is living up to the forecast moving east at 25 kts.
So I
have had to abandon my trip.
However there is just a chance I may make it tomorrow Sunday.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Its just gone down in our area; it is GB Pound 1.12 per litre (so at 4
litre
to your small gallon) 4,48 per US gallon or $8.90 ish. It has been as
high
as GB Pound 1.23 a few weeks back. It seems to vary round the country
buy
as much as 10 pence per litre.
The sad thing is that most of it is tax
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DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 09 August 2008 04:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales
In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pete@lawless.info writes:
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel
these
days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most expensive for
fuel at $3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and about $4.35 for
the 92
octane stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then again, we can get as
much
as we like?
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Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Unleaded mogas has just come down a bit over here and now is =91only=92
around =A31.20 / litre which approximates to around $10 US per imperial
gallon. Diesel is around =A31.30 / litre. Think yourself lucky!!
Richard Iddon
G-RIXS
Hoping to make Sherburn tomorrow.
Do not archive
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Sent: 09 August 2008 04:29
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mogas sales
In a message dated 8/8/2008 3:01:08 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pete@lawless.info writes:
PS That's '10 gallons (ish)' and 'trunk' for those over the water!
Just for those of us "over the water".....what's your price of fuel
these days? Here in California we are sitting as one of the most
expensive for fuel at $3.98/gal. for unleaded 86 octane regular and
about $4.35 for the 92 octane stuff. Diesel goes for $4.60/gal. But then
again, we can get as much as we like?
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA warning units |
As a very happy user of a SmartAss, I would comment that I believe it
has made my landing approaches safer and improved my landings
considerably by allowing me to keep my head out of the cockpit on
approach. I would thoroughly recommend this piece of kit.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Burton
Sent: 05 August 2008 08:59
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA warning
units
Folks,
Although it is neither an AOA system or a stall warner, my SmartASS unit
(www.smartavionics.com) will help the pilot to maintain a safe margin of
speed above the stall on approach. I sincerely believe that if such a
system had been in use, it may well have been sufficient to prevent some
of the stall/spin on approach accidents that have occurred.
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Jeff,
Will do.
I'll be driving in with my wife, Lodja. Then will make a bit of a
vacation of it
by meandering back through some of the national parks.
Will also pick up some beer !
Dave
On 8-Aug-08, at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
>
> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so
> kind as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
> Thanks...
>
> Jeff
>
> Gary Leinberger wrote:
>> My wife and I will be there -
>> Gary Leinberger
>> A237
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>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
>> communicate it to everyone.
>> Hi Paul,
>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
>> See you in September.
>> Regards,
>> John Lawton
>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>> N245E - Flying
>> ________________________________
>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
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All,
I can bring two 5 gallon gas cans in the truck.
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
<<<<<<<<<<<
Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US
From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind as
to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
Thanks...
Jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA warning units |
I fully indorse Richards's views, having only flown 50 hours with the
first 25 not using it; I personally wouldn't like to revert to an ASI
only,
It's a great bit of kit,
Ivor Phillips
G-IVER
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Sent: 09 August 2008 14:03
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Safety matters including stall and AOA
warning units
As a very happy user of a SmartAss, I would comment that I believe it
has made my landing approaches safer and improved my landings
considerably by allowing me to keep my head out of the cockpit on
approach. I would thoroughly recommend this piece of kit.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Thanks for the feedback , theres quite a variety
of methods although i like the idea of in flight adjustable,
i'll experiment with some of them,
steve
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
> i like the idea of in flight adjustable, i'll experiment with some of
> them,
Steve,
Cliff Shaw designed a remarkable little servo-actuated trim tab which
is shown in detail on his Europa Builders' web page. Although optimally
installed prior to wing closing, I see no reason why the small wires
could not be run on the exterior of the aileron and flap closeouts if
you have the recommended gaps between aileron/flap and the wing itself.
Good luck,
Fred
A194
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
hi Fred,
i saw that some time back & remember being quite struck by
cliffs ability as a constructor, i'll definitly fit it if i build again, i
just dont want to ground the A/C right now,
steve.
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| Subject: | Carriage of Petrol |
I was first refused more than 15L of petrol by Tesco in Edinburgh 2
years ago and made enquiries about the matter.
I first contacted the DfT. They sent me a guidance note which said,
inter alia,
"Petrol Regulations made under the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act
1928 control the quantities of petrol permitted to be kept in containers
for private use. This limit also applies to carriage. A
maximum of two metal container each up to 10 litres capacity, plus a
maximum of of two suitable and appropriately-marked plastic
containers each up to five litres capacity, can be kept in a motor
vehicle".
I regards this note as rubbish and an example of government departments
making 'law' on the hoof. Applying the limit to carriage is at odds
with what follows below, and plastic containers in 1928!! Plastic
containers were the subject of Regulations made in 1982. I suspect the
10 litre containers were the old two gallon ones, which at the time
were the only containers specifically designed for the job.
I also obtained a copy of a circular issued by the Health and Safety
Executive intended to give advice to Petroleum Enforcement Officers. In
what follows I have used inverted commas where I am quoting directly
from the Guidance Note, which was reviewed in 2003.
The 1928 Act and the regulations made in 1929 and 1982 "control how
petrol can be kept. They do not specify the capacity or construction of
containers that can be legally filled at petrol filling stations or that
can be carried on a vehicle travelling on the road."
The 1929 Regulations "exempt certain quantities of petrol kept in metal
containers from licensing requirements. The petrol............. must
not be for sale"
"Up to 275 litres of petrol can be kept in any one storage place without
a licence............In calculating the 275 litre limit, the petrol in
the fuel tanks of vehicles in the storage area is included in the total"
But, and I think this is because they don't know about the marvellous
20 litre ones, "the maximum container capacity for keeping petrol is 10
litres"
The 1928 Act and the Regulations "do not exercise any control over the
carriage of petrol on vehicles for private or work use" They "are
solely concerned with the commercial transport of hazardous substances
and do not cover petrol carried on a vehicle for private use"
"At filling stations, there is no specific legal restriction on the type
or number of containers that can be filled................petroleum
licensing officers should advise filling station operators to ensure
that only containers suitable for the purpose are filled"
I also spoke on the phone to the local Petroleum Officer who confirmed
that there had been no change in the regulations since the issue of the
guidance note quoted above. I phoned Tesco Head Office but I don't
think they were interested, Certainly there has been no change in their
practice.
Short answer is - avoid Tesco. Morrisons, and Asda (if you have an Asda
card 2p off) are usually cheaper. If you have a 'Morrison's Miles' card
you will get a =A35 voucher to give to your wife every now and then; it
certainly pleased my wife!
Frank Mycroft
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| Subject: | Re: Carriage of Petrol |
Thanks Frank,
I did some research today and found the document from the H&SE that you
referred to and I certainly got the feeling that the rules are out of
date.
Not only that but the Trading Standards in Hampshire and West Susex (my
local counties) run by different rules despite the guidance given to
them by the same document, that which you have quoted from.
According to the legislation anyone selling containers larger than 10
litres is committing an offence. Surprising how many large companies in
the UK are selling 20 litre plastic and metal fuel containers!
I will advise the forum on my feedback (if any ) from AOPA, Trading
Standards and the Health and Safety Executive.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
PS I have received one suggestion (from a Tesco employee) that I should
trailer my plane to their forecourt, take it out of the trailer to fill
it up and then put it back in the trailer. Could cause an interesting
traffic jam.
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From: Frank Mycroft
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol
I was first refused more than 15L of petrol by Tesco in Edinburgh 2
years ago and made enquiries about the matter.
I first contacted the DfT. They sent me a guidance note which said,
inter alia,
"Petrol Regulations made under the Petroleum (Consolidation) Act
1928 control the quantities of petrol permitted to be kept in containers
for private use. This limit also applies to carriage. A
maximum of two metal container each up to 10 litres capacity, plus a
maximum of of two suitable and appropriately-marked plastic
containers each up to five litres capacity, can be kept in a motor
vehicle".
I regards this note as rubbish and an example of government
departments making 'law' on the hoof. Applying the limit to carriage is
at odds with what follows below, and plastic containers in 1928!!
Plastic containers were the subject of Regulations made in 1982. I
suspect the 10 litre containers were the old two gallon ones, which at
the time were the only containers specifically designed for the job.
I also obtained a copy of a circular issued by the Health and Safety
Executive intended to give advice to Petroleum Enforcement Officers. In
what follows I have used inverted commas where I am quoting directly
from the Guidance Note, which was reviewed in 2003.
The 1928 Act and the regulations made in 1929 and 1982 "control how
petrol can be kept. They do not specify the capacity or construction of
containers that can be legally filled at petrol filling stations or that
can be carried on a vehicle travelling on the road."
The 1929 Regulations "exempt certain quantities of petrol kept in
metal containers from licensing requirements. The petrol.............
must not be for sale"
"Up to 275 litres of petrol can be kept in any one storage place
without a licence............In calculating the 275 litre limit, the
petrol in the fuel tanks of vehicles in the storage area is included in
the total" But, and I think this is because they don't know about the
marvellous 20 litre ones, "the maximum container capacity for keeping
petrol is 10 litres"
The 1928 Act and the Regulations "do not exercise any control over the
carriage of petrol on vehicles for private or work use" They "are
solely concerned with the commercial transport of hazardous substances
and do not cover petrol carried on a vehicle for private use"
"At filling stations, there is no specific legal restriction on the
type or number of containers that can be filled................petroleum
licensing officers should advise filling station operators to ensure
that only containers suitable for the purpose are filled"
I also spoke on the phone to the local Petroleum Officer who confirmed
that there had been no change in the regulations since the issue of the
guidance note quoted above. I phoned Tesco Head Office but I don't
think they were interested, Certainly there has been no change in their
practice.
Short answer is - avoid Tesco. Morrisons, and Asda (if you have an
Asda card 2p off) are usually cheaper. If you have a 'Morrison's Miles'
card you will get a =A35 voucher to give to your wife every now and
then; it certainly pleased my wife!
Frank Mycroft
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2 PM
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| Subject: | Spinner base diameter |
Hi,
Can anyone tell me whether a spinner with a base diameter of 12" will either fit
or be too large for the XS cowlings please?
Alternatively, can anyone tell me what the base diameter of the 'XS Spinner' for
a ground adjustable warp drive prop is?
Many thanks,
Phil
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| Subject: | Re: Spinner base diameter |
10".
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From: "flyingphil2" <ptiller@lolacars.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:19 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Spinner base diameter
>
> Hi,
>
> Can anyone tell me whether a spinner with a base diameter of 12" will
> either fit or be too large for the XS cowlings please?
>
> Alternatively, can anyone tell me what the base diameter of the 'XS
> Spinner' for a ground adjustable warp drive prop is?
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Phil
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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| Subject: | Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Fred and all
I installed Cliff's servo trim tab design after the fact and found it very
easy to do with little down time. Maybe down just a weekend. Go for it, you
will like it.
Jerry
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein
Sent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 11:15 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions.
> i like the idea of in flight adjustable, i'll experiment with some of
> them,
Steve,
Cliff Shaw designed a remarkable little servo-actuated trim tab which
is shown in detail on his Europa Builders' web page. Although optimally
installed prior to wing closing, I see no reason why the small wires
could not be run on the exterior of the aileron and flap closeouts if
you have the recommended gaps between aileron/flap and the wing itself.
Good luck,
Fred
A194
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Thanks Dave...
Jeff
david miller wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> Will do.
> I'll be driving in with my wife, Lodja. Then will make a bit of a
> vacation of it
> by meandering back through some of the national parks.
> Will also pick up some beer !
>
> Dave
> On 8-Aug-08, at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind
>> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
>> Thanks...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Gary Leinberger wrote:
>>> My wife and I will be there -
>>> Gary Leinberger
>>> A237
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
>>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
>>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
>>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
>>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
>>> communicate it to everyone.
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
>>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
>>> See you in September.
>>> Regards,
>>> John Lawton
>>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>>> N245E - Flying
>>> ________________________________
>>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
>>> reviews on AOL Autos
>>> <http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017>
>>> .
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Thanks Troy...
Jeff
Troy Maynor wrote:
> All,
> I can bring two 5 gallon gas cans in the truck.
>
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
> <<<<<<<<<<<
>
> Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US
> From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
>
>
> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind as
> to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
> Thanks...
>
> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks...
Jeff
JEFF ROBERTS wrote:
>
> Jeff,
> I'll bring a Mr. Funnel. Good for pouring mogas through.
>
> Jeff R.
> A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 140 hours and climbing slowly.
>
>
>
> On Aug 8, 2008, at 7:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
>
>>
>> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind
>> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
>> Thanks...
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Gary Leinberger wrote:
>>> My wife and I will be there -
>>> Gary Leinberger
>>> A237
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
>>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
>>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
>>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
>>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
>>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
>>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
>>> communicate it to everyone.
>>> Hi Paul,
>>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
>>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
>>> See you in September.
>>> Regards,
>>> John Lawton
>>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
>>> N245E - Flying
>>> ________________________________
>>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
>>> reviews on AOL Autos
>>> <http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017>
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Jeff, Dave, etc.
I wanted to let you all know that Lynne and I will not be at Rough River this year.
We have planned a vaction in early 2009 that will be quite expensive and
given the cost of gas, it won't work this year. Hopefully we'll fly in in 2009.
Dave, if you are driving in, don't forget to load up on beer. I don't recall if
it is a dry county or what, but we had a tough time getting it last year. I
know gas is important, but one must remember priorities.
Hope everyone enjoys it -- see you all at the 2009 fly-in.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Thanks Dave...
>
> Jeff
>
> david miller wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Will do.
> > I'll be driving in with my wife, Lodja. Then will make a bit of a
> > vacation of it
> > by meandering back through some of the national parks.
> > Will also pick up some beer !
> >
> > Dave
> > On 8-Aug-08, at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is driving in, be so kind
> >> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
> >> Thanks...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> Gary Leinberger wrote:
> >>> My wife and I will be there -
> >>> Gary Leinberger
> >>> A237
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
> >>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> >>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
> >>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
> >>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
> >>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
> >>> communicate it to everyone.
> >>> Hi Paul,
> >>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
> >>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
> >>> See you in September.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> John Lawton
> >>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> >>> N245E - Flying
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
> >>> reviews on AOL Autos
> >>>
>
> >>> .
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
>
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<DIV>Jeff, Dave, etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wanted to let you all know that Lynne and I will not be at Rough River this
year. We have planned a vaction in early 2009 that will be quite expensive
and given the cost of gas, it won't work this year. Hopefully we'll
fly in in 2009. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave, if you are driving in, don't forget to load up on beer. I don't
recall if it is a dry county or what, but we had a tough time getting it last
year. I know gas is important, but one must remember priorities.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope everyone enjoys it -- see you all at the 2009 fly-in.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
<BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <TOPGLOCK@COX.NET><BR>>
<BR>> Thanks Dave... <BR>> <BR>> Jeff <BR>>
<BR>> david miller wrote: <BR>> > --> Europa-List message posted
by: david miller <LOBOLODA@EXECULINK.COM><BR>> > <BR>> > Jeff, <BR>>
> <BR>> > Will do. <BR>> > I'll be driving in with my wife,
Lodja. Then will make a bit of a <BR>> > vacation of it <BR>> >
by meandering back through some of the national parks. <BR>> > Will also
pick up some beer ! <BR>> > <BR>> > Dave <BR>> > On 8-Aug-08,
at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> >> --> Europa-List
message posted by: N55XS <TOPGLOCK@COX.NET><BR>> >> <BR>> >>
Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is d
riving
in, be so kind <BR>> >> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the
airport... <BR>> >> Thanks... <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Jeff
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Gary Leinberger wrote: <BR>> >>>
My wife and I will be there - <BR>> >>> Gary Leinberger <BR>>
>>> A237 <BR>> >>> ________________________________ <BR>>
>>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
<BR>> >>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com <BR>> >>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008
7:58 AM <BR>> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <BR>> >>>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River <BR>> >>> In a message
dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>> >>> europa-list@matronics.com
writes: <BR>> >>> So far I have the following
folks as attendees for the fly in. For <BR>> >>> anyone else
attending could you please let me know so I can <BR>&
gt; &g
t;>> communicate it to everyone. <BR>> >>> Hi Paul, <BR>>
>>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
<BR>> >>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
<BR>> >>> See you in September. <BR>> >>> Regards,
<BR>> >>> John Lawton <BR>> >>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
<BR>> >>> N245E - Flying <BR>> >>> ________________________________
<BR>> >>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and
fits in your budget? Read <BR>> >>> reviews on AOL Autos <BR>>
>>> <BR>> <HTTP: expert-review?ncid="aolaut00050000000017" cars-BMW-128-2008
autos.aol.com><BR>> >>> . <BR>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
<BR>> >>
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<BR>> >> <BR>> >> <BR>> >&
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Dave-
Meant to put in my earlier e-mail and forgot. (The memory is the second thing
to go). If you are combining the fly-in with vacation, be sure to see the Mammoth
Cave. It is about a half hour from the park and well worth it. Lynne and
I really enjoyed it last year.
Jim
-------------- Original message --------------
From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
Jeff, Dave, etc.
I wanted to let you all know that Lynne and I will not be at Rough River this year.
We have planned a vaction in early 2009 that will be quite expensive and
given the cost of gas, it won't work this year. Hopefully we'll fly in in 2009.
Dave, if you are driving in, don't forget to load up on beer. I don't recall if
it is a dry county or what, but we had a tough time getting it last year. I
know gas is important, but one must remember priorities.
Hope everyone enjoys it -- see you all at the 2009 fly-in.
Jim Puglise A-283
-------------- Original message --------------
From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
>
> Thanks Dave...
>
> Jeff
>
> david miller wrote:
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Will do.
> > I'll be driving in with my wife, Lodja. Then will make a bit of a
> > vacation of it
> > by meandering back through some of the national parks.
> > Will also pick up some beer !
> >
> > Dave
> > On 8-Aug-08, at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is d riving in, be so kind
> >> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the airport...
> >> Thanks...
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> Gary Leinberger wrote:
> >>> My wife and I will be there -
> >>> Gary Leinberger
> >>> A237
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
> >>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com
> >>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008 7:58 AM
> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River
> >>> In a message dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> >>> europa-list@matronics.com writes:
> >>> So far I have the following folks as attendees for the fly in. For
> >>> anyone else attending could you please let me know so I can
& gt; &g t;>> communicate it to everyone.
> >>> Hi Paul,
> >>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already got a
> >>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for Saturday night.
> >>> See you in September.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> John Lawton
> >>> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> >>> N245E - Flying
> >>> ________________________________
> >>> Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read
> >>> reviews on AOL Autos
> >>>
>
> >>> .
> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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<DIV>Dave-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Meant to put in my earlier e-mail and forgot. (The memory is the second
thing to go). If you are combining the fly-in with vacation, be sure
to see the Mammoth Cave. It is about a half hour from the park and well
worth it. Lynne and I really enjoyed it last year.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
<BR>
<DIV>Jeff, Dave, etc.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I wanted to let you all know that Lynne and I will not be at Rough River this
year. We have planned a vaction in early 2009 that will be quite expensive
and given the cost of gas, it won't work this year. Hopefully we'll
fly in in 2009. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave, if you are driving in, don't forget to load up on beer. I don't
recall if it is a dry county or what, but we had a tough time getting it last
year. I know gas is important, but one must remember priorities.
</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Hope everyone enjoys it -- see you all at the 2009 fly-in.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim Puglise A-283</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: N55XS <topglock@cox.net>
<BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by: N55XS <TOPGLOCK@COX.NET><BR>>
<BR>> Thanks Dave... <BR>> <BR>> Jeff <BR>>
<BR>> david miller wrote: <BR>> > --> Europa-List message posted
by: david miller <LOBOLODA@EXECULINK.COM><BR>> > <BR>> > Jeff, <BR>>
> <BR>> > Will do. <BR>> > I'll be driving in with my wife,
Lodja. Then will make a bit of a <BR>> > vacation of it <BR>> >
by meandering back through some of the national parks. <BR>> > Will also
pick up some beer ! <BR>> > <BR>> > Dave <BR>> > On 8-Aug-08,
at 8:22 PM, N55XS wrote: <BR>> > <BR>> >> --> Europa-List
message posted by: N55XS <TOPGLOCK@COX.NET><BR>> >> <BR>> >>
Speaking of Rough River, would someone, who is d
rivin
g in, be so kind <BR>> >> as to bring a gas can or two? No fuel on the
airport... <BR>> >> Thanks... <BR>> >> <BR>> >> Jeff
<BR>> >> <BR>> >> Gary Leinberger wrote: <BR>> >>>
My wife and I will be there - <BR>> >>> Gary Leinberger <BR>>
>>> A237 <BR>> >>> ________________________________
<BR>> >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of
<BR>> >>> TELEDYNMCS@aol.com <BR>> >>> Sent: Thu 8/7/2008
7:58 AM <BR>> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com <BR>> >>>
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Rough River <BR>> >>> In a message
dated 8/7/2008 3:07:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <BR>> >>>
europa-list@matronics.com writes: <BR>> >>> So far I have the following
folks as attendees for the fly in. For <BR>> >>> anyone else
attending could you please let me know so I can <BR>
&
gt; &g t;>> communicate it to everyone. <BR>> >>> Hi Paul,
<BR>> >>> I'll be there with N245E, weather permitting. I've already
got a <BR>> >>> room reserved at the lodge at Rough River for
Saturday night. <BR>> >>> See you in September. <BR>> >>>
Regards, <BR>> >>> John Lawton <BR>> >>> Whitwell,
TN (TN89) <BR>> >>> N245E - Flying <BR>> >>> ________________________________
<BR>> >>> Looking for a car that's sporty,
fun and fits in your budget? Read <BR>> >>> reviews on AOL Autos
<BR>> >>> <BR>> <HTTP: autos.aol.com cars-BMW-128-2008 expert-review?ncid="aolaut00050000000017"><BR>>
>>> . <BR>> >>>
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| Subject: | Re: Carriage of Petrol |
It is a ridiculous rule - I just fill the containers on the far side of the
pumps, furthest from the payment kiosk.
Also, at my local petrol station there is a sign saying only 10 litre metal
containers with a screw top are acceptable, illustrated with a picture of a
standard 20 litre jerry can, which of course doesn't have a screw top! I think
the only metal fuel cans with a screw top are the 1920's 'shell petroleum'
type ones you see in museums, which is probably where the thinking behind this
absurdity belongs.
Roddy Kesterton
#220
In a message dated 09/08/2008 21:49:19 GMT Standard Time,
steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com writes:
Thanks Frank,
I did some research today and found the document from the H&SE that you
referred to and I certainly got the feeling that the rules are out of date.
Not only that but the Trading Standards in Hampshire and West Susex (my
local counties) run by different rules despite the guidance given to them by the
same document, that which you have quoted from.
According to the legislation anyone selling containers larger than 10 litres
is committing an offence. Surprising how many large companies in the UK are
selling 20 litre plastic and metal fuel containers!
I will advise the forum on my feedback (if any ) from AOPA, Trading
Standards and the Health and Safety Executive.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
PS I have received one suggestion (from a Tesco employee) that I should
trailer my plane to their forecourt, take it out of the trailer to fill it up
and
then put it back in the trailer. Could cause an interesting traffic jam.
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