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1. 02:06 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (rick)
2. 09:38 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Bryan Allsop)
3. 11:11 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Pete Lawless)
4. 11:49 AM - Last of the Summer Wine- 3rd Sept. (Bryan Allsop)
5. 01:50 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Graham Singleton)
6. 02:32 PM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
7. 03:14 PM - Europa Tri Gear for Sale (David Joyce)
8. 03:51 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v)
9. 03:58 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Graham Singleton)
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| Subject: | Carriage of Petrol |
Hi Duncan
Do Sainsbury's put any alcohol in their fuel?
All the best
Rick
G-RIKS
Tri 912s
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami
McFadyean
Sent: 10 August 2008 09:06
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol
That usually works!
At one Sainsbury's the clerk spotted the amount of fuel on the bill and
reprimanded me for it (3no 20 litre jerry cans), claiming that if the
petroleum officer were to spot this then the outlet would loose its licence;
which apparently limited the amount to 2no cans.
Duncan Mcf.
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Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:06 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol
It is a ridiculous rule - I just fill the containers on the far side of the
pumps, furthest from the payment kiosk.
Also, at my local petrol station there is a sign saying only 10 litre metal
containers with a screw top are acceptable, illustrated with a picture of a
standard 20 litre jerry can, which of course doesn't have a screw top! I
think the only metal fuel cans with a screw top are the 1920's 'shell
petroleum' type ones you see in museums, which is probably where the
thinking behind this absurdity belongs.
Roddy Kesterton
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In a message dated 09/08/2008 21:49:19 GMT Standard Time,
steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com writes:
Thanks Frank,
I did some research today and found the document from the H&SE that you
referred to and I certainly got the feeling that the rules are out of date.
Not only that but the Trading Standards in Hampshire and West Susex (my
local counties) run by different rules despite the guidance given to them by
the same document, that which you have quoted from.
According to the legislation anyone selling containers larger than 10 litres
is committing an offence. Surprising how many large companies in the UK are
selling 20 litre plastic and metal fuel containers!
I will advise the forum on my feedback (if any ) from AOPA, Trading
Standards and the Health and Safety Executive.
Regards
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
PS I have received one suggestion (from a Tesco employee) that I should
trailer my plane to their forecourt, take it out of the trailer to fill it
up and then put it back in the trailer. Could cause an interesting traffic
jam.
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| Subject: | Carriage of Petrol |
Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem. I w
onder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions they ca
rry out from time to time. I can imagine some members of the public turning
up with all sorts of containers to stock up for when the promotion finishe
s. I can see that management would have to give some guidance to staff. It
is unlikely that they would have have concerned themselves with Europa flie
rs.We will have to use the local outfits who welcome our business. It will
still be a lot cheaper than avgas!Bryan
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| Subject: | Carriage of Petrol |
Hi Guys
No I don't think so, my local Shell garage has a similar notice restricting
the amount and type of cans that can be filled. I think it is one 10 litre
metal and one 5 litre plastic. There are also specific instructions as to
how the cans should be labeled. Fortunately the kids behind the counter
never seem to take any notice.
Pete
PS Wish this weather would improve.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop
Sent: 11 August 2008 17:37
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol
Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem. I
wonder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions they
carry out from time to time.
I can imagine some members of the public turning up with all sorts of
containers to stock up for when the promotion finishes. I can see that
management would have to give some guidance to staff. It is unlikely that
they would have have concerned themselves with Europa fliers.
We will have to use the local outfits who welcome our business. It will
still be a lot cheaper than avgas!
Bryan
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| Subject: | Last of the Summer Wine- 3rd Sept. |
This trip seems to popular this year. It must be Sue's story in the Europa
Flyer.
Whilst we are fully subscribed=2C there are a number of seats for anyone wh
o would not mind sharing the cost of fuel. I have a seat free from Derbyshi
re=2C and there are others in the South.
Please contact me by reply if you are interested. It is a great experience
for builders.
Cheers.
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Steve
just use a 6 inch length of draft proofing foam, it's called a Gurney
flap. Decide which aileron needs to be deflected up, put the foam under
the trailing edge and test fly. If that isn't enough add a few more
inches. You don't need the ugliness and inconvenience of a bit ao bent
aluminum.
Graham
steve v wrote:
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> Hi ,
> i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there
> since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not.
> (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should
it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric
tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable
type that might be worth considering,
>
> steve G-CEBV #573
>
> PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab?
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Carriage of Petrol |
The "5p" offers are usually limited to 100 litres, and the pumps turn
off after 3 minutes, so one needs to be quick!
Duncan McF.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Bryan Allsop
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol
Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem.
I wonder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions
they carry out from time to time. I can imagine some members of the
public turning up with all sorts of containers to stock up for when the
promotion finishes. I can see that management would have to give some
guidance to staff. It is unlikely that they would have have concerned
themselves with Europa fliers.We will have to use the local outfits who
welcome our business. It will still be a lot cheaper than avgas!Bryan
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| Subject: | Europa Tri Gear for Sale |
Following the disbandment of our Group we are selling our aircraft, if
anyone knows of any interested parties please forward :
Europa Classic, converted to Tri Gear, Rotax 912UL TTAF and Engine 300
Hours, Arplast PV50 constant speed VP prop, Navaid autopilot, King KX155 Nav
/ Com Glideslpe, Skymap 111 C.Topo, all mods completed with wieght Mod, full
Leather interior. To be sold with new LAA Permit. Trailer with aircraft
(needs some conversion work), aircraft located in midlands.
For sale @ 33,500
I am away from emails for around 10 days from Thursday, however Graham
Singleton will probably be able to answer any questions in my absense.
rgds to you all
David Joyce
07973 675755
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Hi Graham ,
is that the foam on a roll thats about 1/4" wide and sticky
on one side?, if it is i have some of that here but it is "square" in
section, or is the type your talking about more streamline in
appearence?
steve - thinking of approaching the LAA for a mod. to fit
floats due to the weather here in wales...
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. |
Steve
anything will work, just needs to deflect the boundary layer a little,
1/4" wide stuff will do it. It is a neater solution because it doesn't
show unless you look under the wing :-)
Graham
steve v wrote:
>
> Hi Graham ,
> is that the foam on a roll thats about 1/4" wide and sticky
> on one side?, if it is i have some of that here but it is "square" in
> section, or is the type your talking about more streamline in
> appearence?
>
> steve - thinking of approaching the LAA for a mod. to fit
> floats due to the weather here in wales...
>
>
>
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