---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:06 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (rick) 2. 09:38 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Bryan Allsop) 3. 11:11 AM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Pete Lawless) 4. 11:49 AM - Last of the Summer Wine- 3rd Sept. (Bryan Allsop) 5. 01:50 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Graham Singleton) 6. 02:32 PM - Re: Carriage of Petrol (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 7. 03:14 PM - Europa Tri Gear for Sale (David Joyce) 8. 03:51 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (steve v) 9. 03:58 PM - Re: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:26 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol Hi Duncan Do Sainsbury's put any alcohol in their fuel? All the best Rick G-RIKS Tri 912s _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 10 August 2008 09:06 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol That usually works! At one Sainsbury's the clerk spotted the amount of fuel on the bill and reprimanded me for it (3no 20 litre jerry cans), claiming that if the petroleum officer were to spot this then the outlet would loose its licence; which apparently limited the amount to 2no cans. Duncan Mcf. ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:RoddyEuropa@aol.com"RoddyEuropa@aol.com Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 7:06 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol It is a ridiculous rule - I just fill the containers on the far side of the pumps, furthest from the payment kiosk. Also, at my local petrol station there is a sign saying only 10 litre metal containers with a screw top are acceptable, illustrated with a picture of a standard 20 litre jerry can, which of course doesn't have a screw top! I think the only metal fuel cans with a screw top are the 1920's 'shell petroleum' type ones you see in museums, which is probably where the thinking behind this absurdity belongs. Roddy Kesterton #220 In a message dated 09/08/2008 21:49:19 GMT Standard Time, steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com writes: Thanks Frank, I did some research today and found the document from the H&SE that you referred to and I certainly got the feeling that the rules are out of date. Not only that but the Trading Standards in Hampshire and West Susex (my local counties) run by different rules despite the guidance given to them by the same document, that which you have quoted from. According to the legislation anyone selling containers larger than 10 litres is committing an offence. Surprising how many large companies in the UK are selling 20 litre plastic and metal fuel containers! I will advise the forum on my feedback (if any ) from AOPA, Trading Standards and the Health and Safety Executive. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH PS I have received one suggestion (from a Tesco employee) that I should trailer my plane to their forecourt, take it out of the trailer to fill it up and then put it back in the trailer. Could cause an interesting traffic jam. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref "http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 13:22 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:09 AM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem. I w onder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions they ca rry out from time to time. I can imagine some members of the public turning up with all sorts of containers to stock up for when the promotion finishe s. I can see that management would have to give some guidance to staff. It is unlikely that they would have have concerned themselves with Europa flie rs.We will have to use the local outfits who welcome our business. It will still be a lot cheaper than avgas!Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef ore. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:04 AM PST US From: "Pete Lawless" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol Hi Guys No I don't think so, my local Shell garage has a similar notice restricting the amount and type of cans that can be filled. I think it is one 10 litre metal and one 5 litre plastic. There are also specific instructions as to how the cans should be labeled. Fortunately the kids behind the counter never seem to take any notice. Pete PS Wish this weather would improve. DO NOT ARCHIVE -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bryan Allsop Sent: 11 August 2008 17:37 Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem. I wonder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions they carry out from time to time. I can imagine some members of the public turning up with all sorts of containers to stock up for when the promotion finishes. I can see that management would have to give some guidance to staff. It is unlikely that they would have have concerned themselves with Europa fliers. We will have to use the local outfits who welcome our business. It will still be a lot cheaper than avgas! Bryan _____ Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never befornew'>See how WindowsR fits your life -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:49:01 AM PST US From: Bryan Allsop Subject: Europa-List: Last of the Summer Wine- 3rd Sept. This trip seems to popular this year. It must be Sue's story in the Europa Flyer. Whilst we are fully subscribed=2C there are a number of seats for anyone wh o would not mind sharing the cost of fuel. I have a seat free from Derbyshi re=2C and there are others in the South. Please contact me by reply if you are interested. It is a great experience for builders. Cheers. Bryan _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef ore. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:28 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. Steve just use a 6 inch length of draft proofing foam, it's called a Gurney flap. Decide which aileron needs to be deflected up, put the foam under the trailing edge and test fly. If that isn't enough add a few more inches. You don't need the ugliness and inconvenience of a bit ao bent aluminum. Graham steve v wrote: > > Hi , > i need to fit a trim tab to counter the very slight left roll that has been there > since construction, its ok when your vfr but i find it tiring when your not. > (with a passenger there is no roll), what material are you using , where should it be placed and what are the dimensions? im not looking to fit an electric tab due to the work involved, although if anyone has fitted a ground adjustable type that might be worth considering, > > steve G-CEBV #573 > > PS. can the ailerons be counter adjusted or do i need a trimtab? > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:51 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol The "5p" offers are usually limited to 100 litres, and the pumps turn off after 3 minutes, so one needs to be quick! Duncan McF. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Allsop To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Carriage of Petrol Notice that it is the Sainsbury's and Tesco's who are the main problem. I wonder if the rules come from the "5 pence off per litre" promotions they carry out from time to time. I can imagine some members of the public turning up with all sorts of containers to stock up for when the promotion finishes. I can see that management would have to give some guidance to staff. It is unlikely that they would have have concerned themselves with Europa fliers.We will have to use the local outfits who welcome our business. It will still be a lot cheaper than avgas!Bryan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never befornew'>See how Windows=AE fits your life ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:40 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: Europa Tri Gear for Sale Following the disbandment of our Group we are selling our aircraft, if anyone knows of any interested parties please forward : Europa Classic, converted to Tri Gear, Rotax 912UL TTAF and Engine 300 Hours, Arplast PV50 constant speed VP prop, Navaid autopilot, King KX155 Nav / Com Glideslpe, Skymap 111 C.Topo, all mods completed with wieght Mod, full Leather interior. To be sold with new LAA Permit. Trailer with aircraft (needs some conversion work), aircraft located in midlands. For sale @ 33,500 I am away from emails for around 10 days from Thursday, however Graham Singleton will probably be able to answer any questions in my absense. rgds to you all David Joyce 07973 675755 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:30 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. From: "steve v " Hi Graham , is that the foam on a roll thats about 1/4" wide and sticky on one side?, if it is i have some of that here but it is "square" in section, or is the type your talking about more streamline in appearence? steve - thinking of approaching the LAA for a mod. to fit floats due to the weather here in wales... Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:58:44 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trim Tab Aileron Questions. Steve anything will work, just needs to deflect the boundary layer a little, 1/4" wide stuff will do it. It is a neater solution because it doesn't show unless you look under the wing :-) Graham steve v wrote: > > Hi Graham , > is that the foam on a roll thats about 1/4" wide and sticky > on one side?, if it is i have some of that here but it is "square" in > section, or is the type your talking about more streamline in > appearence? > > steve - thinking of approaching the LAA for a mod. to fit > floats due to the weather here in wales... > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.