---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/18/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:59 AM - BBC E-mail: Plane hits power lines (Bob) 2. 10:19 AM - A very lucky escape from power lines (Bob Hitchcock) 3. 12:19 PM - Terra avionics (Tony Crowe) 4. 12:55 PM - Europa aerial (Mike Gamble) 5. 02:08 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (Graham Singleton) 6. 02:51 PM - Re: Europa aerial (David Joyce) 7. 02:59 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (R Holder) 8. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: Europa - roll control washers etc. (Rowland Carson) 9. 03:11 PM - Re: roll control tufnol bearings (Rowland Carson) 10. 03:53 PM - Re: roll control tufnol bearings (Jeff B) 11. 04:45 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (Graham Singleton) 12. 04:58 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (Greg Fuchs) 13. 05:30 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (Greg Fuchs) 14. 07:33 PM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (europaman) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:59:25 AM PST US From: Bob Subject: Europa-List: BBC E-mail: Plane hits power lines Bob saw this story on the BBC News website and thought you should see it. ** Message ** What an escape! ** Plane hits power lines ** Two people have been rescued from a light aircraft which hit power lines in southern Germany. < http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/world/7568045.stm > ** BBC Daily E-mail ** Choose the news and sport headlines you want - when you want them, all in one daily e-mail < http://www.bbc.co.uk/email > ** Disclaimer ** The BBC is not responsible for the content of this e-mail, and anything written in this e-mail does not necessarily reflect the BBC's views or opinions. Please note that neither the e-mail address nor name of the sender havebeen verified. If you do not wish to receive such e-mails in the future or want to know more about the BBC's Email a Friend service, please read our frequently asked questions. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/help/4162471.stm ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:44 AM PST US From: "Bob Hitchcock" Subject: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqhS2G4nrVk ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:33 PM PST US From: "Tony Crowe" Subject: Europa-List: Terra avionics Does anyone have any circuit diagrams for any of the digital Terra avionics. Thanks Tony ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:10 PM PST US From: "Mike Gamble" Subject: Europa-List: Europa aerial Does anybody have a measurement of the final length of the tape aerial mounted in the fin of the Europa after adjustment with the SWR gadget? Is there any reason why I should not paint over the aerial with rest of the fin closeout ? Thanks Mike Gamble Finally getting ready for the paint-shop. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:04 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines Bob Hitchcock wrote: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqhS2G4nrVk Wonder who that was, looks like a Europa Classic! D-ELPR G ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:28 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa aerial Mike, Is there any reason to paint the tail close out, or the other close outs for that matter? David Joyce, G-XSDJ (with naked close outs!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Gamble" Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 8:53 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa aerial Does anybody have a measurement of the final length of the tape aerial mounted in the fin of the Europa after adjustment with the SWR gadget? Is there any reason why I should not paint over the aerial with rest of the fin closeout ? Thanks Mike Gamble Finally getting ready for the paint-shop. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:59:32 PM PST US From: R Holder Subject: Re: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines Graham Singleton wrote: > >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqhS2G4nrVk > Wonder who that was, looks like a Europa Classic! D-ELPR > G My members list shows Joachim Hohenstein D-ELPR # 190 Well spotted Graham ! Richard ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:30 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa - roll control washers etc. At 2008-08-15 20:05 +0100 Rowland Carson wrote: >At 2008-08-15 10:04 -0700 Fred Klein wrote: > >>The nature of the interface between the AN bolt heads and the >>bearing surface IMHO warrants the use of the AN960-10L washers Fred - Roger at the factory today confirms that those washers should be used. regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:11:30 PM PST US From: Rowland Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: roll control tufnol bearings At 2008-08-15 20:05 +0100 Rowland Carson wrote: >At 2008-08-15 09:41 -0400 Peter Zutrauen wrote: > >>Although I have *no* insight at all, I would wonder if the tufnol >>material would absorb oil/grease and swell >>If you receive or find the answer of tufnol compatible lubrication, >>I'd be grateful if you could pass the info along Pete - the definitive answer from Neville Eyre via Roger is that any sort of grease is probably best kept away from the cut edges of the Tufnol, because it's likely to cause swelling. Apart from directly affecting the integrity of the Tufnol, grease is also likely to act as a magnet for dust etc which would turn it into grinding paste. The manual suggests wiping the faces of CS04 with grease before assembling the CS02-CS03-CS04 cluster - but that should only be applied to the glassy as-manufactured surfaces, not the cut edges or bore of the hole. The only lubricant Neville would accept for the bore is PTFE. I have never seen it myself but apparently it can be got as a spray which is solid particles in a rapid-evaporating propellant. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1070 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:53:37 PM PST US From: Jeff B Subject: Re: Europa-List: roll control tufnol bearings Rowland, PTFE is teflon. Quite common in spray form... Jeff - Baby Blue Rowland Carson wrote: > > At 2008-08-15 20:05 +0100 Rowland Carson wrote: > >> At 2008-08-15 09:41 -0400 Peter Zutrauen wrote: >> >>> Although I have *no* insight at all, I would wonder if the tufnol >>> material would absorb oil/grease and swell > > >>> If you receive or find the answer of tufnol compatible lubrication, >>> I'd be grateful if you could pass the info along > > Pete - the definitive answer from Neville Eyre via Roger is that any > sort of grease is probably best kept away from the cut edges of the > Tufnol, because it's likely to cause swelling. Apart from directly > affecting the integrity of the Tufnol, grease is also likely to act as a > magnet for dust etc which would turn it into grinding paste. > > The manual suggests wiping the faces of CS04 with grease before > assembling the CS02-CS03-CS04 cluster - but that should only be applied > to the glassy as-manufactured surfaces, not the cut edges or bore of the > hole. The only lubricant Neville would accept for the bore is PTFE. I > have never seen it myself but apparently it can be got as a spray which > is solid particles in a rapid-evaporating propellant. > > regards > > Rowland ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:04 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines The aeroplane didn't look damaged either. Wonder if they got it down without spoiling it? Graham R Holder wrote: > > Graham Singleton wrote: >> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqhS2G4nrVk >> Wonder who that was, looks like a Europa Classic! D-ELPR >> G > > My members list shows > > Joachim Hohenstein D-ELPR # 190 > > Well spotted Graham ! > > Richard ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:58:32 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines Well done! Lucky the plane hung on, and that it wasn't gusty. After rescuing the pilot/passenger, I wonder how they got the plane down. Hopefully it was done nicely, and will fly soon (by recovered pilot himself). Do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:30:09 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines Some more links: http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-1046392/Pictured-Pilots-miracle-e scape-tangle-high-voltage-power-lines.html http://www.watoday.com.au/world/plane-clips-power-lines-hangs-upside-down-fo r-three-hours-20080819-3xrl.html according to the video here, the plane still hangs there: http://itn.co.uk/news/f722776cf590fcf81726261ecd33712c.html http://timesnow.tv/Newsdtls.aspx?NewsID=13894 -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Fuchs Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 4:57 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines Well done! Lucky the plane hung on, and that it wasn't gusty. After rescuing the pilot/passenger, I wonder how they got the plane down. Hopefully it was done nicely, and will fly soon (by recovered pilot himself). Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: A very lucky escape from power lines From: "europaman" I immediately recognized it as a Europa Classic Tri-Gear when I saw it on Fox News this evening. Sheppard Smith was doing his around the world in 80 seconds and they showed a brief shot of it. I knew I'd find the story here too. Wow they were lucky. Hope they got the plane down too without breaking it. 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