Europa-List Digest Archive

Sun 08/24/08


Total Messages Posted: 4



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     1. 12:52 AM - Rotax 914 with 500 hours and complete firewall forward pack for Europa for sale  (Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard)
     2. 07:12 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose? (Jeff B)
     3. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: No Slipper Clutch? (Jeff B)
     4. 08:04 AM - Re: Pete and 'here we go....' (Peter Zutrauen)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:52:24 AM PST US
    From: Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard <lgds@post6.tele.dk>
    Subject: Rotax 914 with 500 hours and complete firewall forward pack
    for Europa for sale Hi all I have a complete FF pack and an Rotax 914 engine in perfect condition for sale - 500 hours. Give me an offer off line on lgds@post6.tele.dk Regards Gert Gert Dalgaard Soerensen Stabelvej 9, Haarby DK 8660 Skanderborg Denmark Europa builder No. 151 Europa Mono / Rotax 914 AC reg.: OY-GDS Phone.: +45 8695 0595 E mail: lgds@post6.tele.dk


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    Time: 07:12:21 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?
    Having purchased an XS kit from an individual, who had never started work, I got a mono. Before buying, however, I took a ride with John Hurst, who only had a mono to demonstrate. After watching an experienced pilot, like John, handle the mono on concrete, I quickly made the decision to go Tri-gear. I've never regretted that decision. As for handling on rough grass (I'm hangared on a 3k grass strip), there certainly is a little bounce, however, the secret, I've found, is to keep the nose high at all times. Even in fast taxi it makes a huge difference. I've got over 500 landings on this surface, with no ill effects to plane or pilot... :) Jeff - Baby Blue Brian Davies wrote: > > Hi Marcel, > > You have touched on a hotly debated subject - Mono versus Trigear. > > I originally built a Monowheel Europa with a Rotax 912S and Airmaster > variable pitch prop. It was a very capable aircraft, enormous fun to fly > and no real problem taking off and landing on grass. I found it quite > challenging to land in a crosswind on tarmac and eventually decided to > convert the aircraft to Trigear configuration. It is now a much more > forgiving aircraft to land in crosswinds but it does not enjoy bumpy grass > so much. If the aircraft has been modified to fit steel nosewheel springs > instead of the original bungee cords it can get quite "bouncy" if not > handled carefully on bumpy surfaces. > > As with most aircraft types, once you have developed your technique none of > these things are a real problem. > > Most Trigear are about 16Kg heavier than an equivalent Monowheel and tend to > use slightly more fuel. The difference only really shows up on long > distance touring were the Mono has the edge on performance. If you intend > to do long distance touring and want to exploit the full capacity of the > aircraft in terms of full fuel, two people and ample baggage, look for a > Europa that is no more than 400Kg empty weight. > >>From a pure enjoyment angle I found the Mono much more challenging and much > more fun. As a Trigear it gives me a much more relaxed flying experience > and more enjoyable touring. > > There are a number of high quality Europas fore sale at the moment so this > is a good time to buy. I suggest you join the Europa Club and get access to > a great deal of additional help and information. Go to their website > www.europaclub.org.uk and follow the links to join online. > > Best regards > > Brian Davies, Membership Sec. > The Europa Club > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of zwakie > Sent: 22 August 2008 20:12 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose? > > > I'm new here, so let me first introduce myself: my name is Marcel, 45 years > of age and from The Netherlands. I am a private pilot license holder since a > couple of years, currently about 125 hours in my logbook and thinking about > buying my own plane. I have decided to go for an Europa (I guess you all the > know the reasons why :wink: ), and instead of building one myself I will be > looking for one that is for sale. > > During my search on the web I also visited the Air Accidents Investigations > Branch website, and what kind of struck me there is the high number of > incident-reports involving Europa's, even though the trend seems to be fewer > incidents occur over time. I have read most of these reports (don't ask!) to > learn more about Europa's and what to expect from this type of aircraft. > > One picture that evolved from these reports was that a relative high number > of incidents occurred with the mono-gear type. > > Besides incidents with technical causes, a significant number of mono-gear > incidents were caused by pilot error: not lowering and locking the gear or > not being able to properly deal with cross- and/or gusty winds seem to be > the two most common causes. > > What surprised me was that of these pilot-error incidents occurred with > experienced pilots on the controls (experienced as in: lots and lots of > hours, quite often also with hundreds of hours on type). > > Obviously incidents also occurred on the nose wheel types due to cross- > and/or gusty winds, but the number of incidents were significantly lower. > > Well, I guess you will know where this is leading: I will have to decide > between a mono-gear or nose-wheel Europa, and would like to find out if > flying the mono-gear is that much more difficult as compared to the > nose-wheel. I also would like to get some idea of how a nose-wheel Europa > compares to f.i. Cessna's 152/172 in terms of handling it in take-off and > landings. > > All information that you can provide to help me in my decision-making > process is highly appreciated! > > > > > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 06:48 > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >


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    Time: 07:17:15 AM PST US
    From: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: RE: No Slipper Clutch?
    Troy, Before spending the bucks with Lockwood, talk to Ronnie Smith at South Mississippi Light Aircraft (601) 947-4953. He went through my gear box, yesterday to look for the solution to a rough running problem I've been experiencing (haven't had any luck locating it, yet, but more on that later). He completely serviced the box (a slipper) in less than 20 minutes. Wouldn't take a nickel for his time. You might want to check with him. He may be able to save you some money... Jeff - Baby Blue Troy Maynor wrote: > > John and all, > Found this on Kodiac's website refering to the gearboxes with or without > slipper clutches. FWIW. So let me know what you find out. I'm trying to > justify whether or not to spend $1,200.00 to get Lockwood to install one. > Troy > > -----Original Message----- > From: John & Paddy Wigney [mailto:johnwigney@alltel.net] > Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:54 AM > To: europa-list@matronics.com; Maynor, Troy > Subject: Re: No Slipper Clutch? > > > Hi Troy, > > I have the original starter and it has never given me any trouble in > getting a reliable start. I have no idea if I have the slipper clutch - > this has always been a bit of a mystery to me. Does anyone know how I > determine this? > > Cheers, John > N262WF, mono XS, 912S > > ORIGINAL MESSAGE > From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net> > Subject: Europa-List: No Slipper Clutch? > Hi All, > Just a question to all for a start : How many are running the 912S without > the heavy duty starter but with the slipper clutch? > Troy Maynor > N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic > Left to finish: > Seats, engine install underway, some wiring. > Weaverville, NC USA > > > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > >


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    Time: 08:04:41 AM PST US
    From: "Peter Zutrauen" <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
    Subject: Re: Pete and 'here we go....'
    Great to hear that you got it sorted. (I hate computers..... a neccessary evil in these times tho) Cheers, Pete :-) On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Fergus Kyle <VE3LVO@rac.ca> wrote: > Pete, > Many thanks, because it worked out fine for me. Funny because I had > just printed out another mod without a hassle, and that 'frame' event > arrived and put the kibosh to the plan. Frustration relieved! > Much obliged, > Ferg > >




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