Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 01:12 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
2. 01:18 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Kevin Siggery)
3. 01:49 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Steve Pitt)
4. 02:19 AM - Last of the Summer wine (Bryan Allsop)
5. 04:57 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (David Buckley)
6. 05:32 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Karl Heindl)
7. 05:37 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Karl Heindl)
8. 05:39 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Garry)
9. 06:07 AM - Re: Last of the Summer wine (Bryan Allsop)
10. 07:12 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Jeff B)
11. 09:04 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Rob Housman)
12. 09:51 AM - Re: Torque Tube Clamp (Flying Farmer)
13. 10:52 AM - Europa Accident in Austria (Raimo Toivio)
14. 11:02 AM - Mono vs. Tri-gear (Erich Trombley)
15. 11:16 AM - Mono vs. Tri-gear (Erich Trombley)
16. 11:48 AM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
17. 11:55 AM - Finish Europa crash landed near Wels in Austria (LOLW) (klaus.dietrich@oracle.com)
18. 12:18 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Alan Burrows)
19. 12:23 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Raimo Toivio)
20. 12:33 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Robert Borger)
21. 12:35 PM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (David Buckley)
22. 01:02 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Raimo Toivio)
23. 01:17 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Raimo Toivio)
24. 01:25 PM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (William Daniell)
25. 03:18 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Greg Fuchs)
26. 03:26 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (rlborger)
27. 03:46 PM - Re: Mono vs. Tri-gear (Jeff B)
28. 04:16 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (Graham Singleton)
29. 05:20 PM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Karl Heindl)
30. 07:07 PM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (kbcarpenter@comcast.net)
31. 07:09 PM - Europa Accident in Austria (Fred Klein)
32. 07:12 PM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Paul McAllister)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
Apparently not considered in the analysis is the cost of a service if the
encoder drifts out of calibration.
With a separate encoder, it can be cheaper to replace with a new item,
whereas with an embedded encoder it's a costly service with downtime?
My personal preference is for the Filser (with extended squitter and higher
output, for future-proofing), because it is light and compact, and because
it is widely used on the Continent. However there have been recent
additional software problems; still doesn't put me off as the factory is
fixing these.
Duncan Mcf.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
At 2008-08-22 19:11 +0100 nigel charles wrote:
>As my panel is optimised for a 6.25" wide
>avionics stack the only transponder that seems
>to fit the bill looks to be the Trig TT31
>transponder. Has anyone else looked into this
>yet? If so what conclusions have you come to?
Nigel - my panel is still in a "soft" state so I
don't have your contsraints, but of those I've
looked at under 2k I am leaning towards the
Filser TRT800 which has the advantage of a
built-in alticoder. Both the Becker
BXP6401-2-(01) and the TRIG TT31 need an external
coder which adds to the cost. The Becker is the
shortest at 205mm and the Filser the lightest at
600g - the Trig is 1350g but puts out 240W
compared to only 100W for the Filser.
Incidentally the Garmin GTX328 while too long for
a Europa panel at 286mm also lacks the extended
squitter needed for ADS-B, so it's theoretically
less future-proof than the others. The Filser is
the only one that provides an active/standby
squawk display like the typical comms radio, and
that's about the only useful feature I see
missing from the TRIG. Filser also do a TRT800A
which seems to be much the same unit as the
TRT800, re-packaged 6.25" wide, so you might
consider that one.
As an electronic engineer, the impresssion I have
of the TRIG and the people who developed it is
that it is well designed and should be a solid
performer, but I have no hard facts or direct
experience to back that up.
I attach a PDF of my comparison sheet - at the
time I prepared it I wasn't able to get anything
about the Becker BXP6403 apart from a new-product
annoucement.
regards
Rowland
--
| Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/
| 1080 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
(as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a
bungee but are thinking of changing).
Kevin Siggery
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Kevin,
I changed my bungee prior to first flight as after 5 years of sitting on the
ground it had already extended and needed tightening/changing. As far as I
am concerned the springs are fit and forget. No regrets at all.
Regards
Steve Pitt G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Siggery" <ksiggery@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a bungee
> but are thinking of changing).
>
> Kevin Siggery
>
>
>
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Last of the Summer wine |
Hi All=2C
I have had surprisingly few communications=2C so I am guessing the everyone
is happily looking forward to next Wednesday.
I have to remind everyone of the following.
It must be clearly understood that each and every pilot is responsible for
the safety of their own safety=2C and that of their passengers and aeroplan
es. Should there any misfortunes neither I=2C nor the Europa Club can accep
t any responsibility.
On behalf of the Club I have suggested a rendezvous to meet up. For anyone
wishing to join me it their own responsibility to make proper judgements on
the advisability of doing so=2C and how to do it. Subsequent rendezvous on
the trip will be discussed on a daily basis=2C but it will be up to each p
ilot and crew to decide what they want to do.
If it is half as nice as it was last year I know we are going to have a nic
e time.
Please acknowledge this e-mail simply by pressing your "reply" button.
Regards to all. Bryan
_________________________________________________________________
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Win
dows=AE.
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Ran the bungee nose leg system for five years. I found it must be well
tensioned, and requires at least yearly maintenence. Never tried the
springs, but should be good.
dave
2008/8/25 Kevin Siggery <ksiggery@mac.com>
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear (as
> we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the bungee
> nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a bungee but are
> thinking of changing).
>
> Kevin Siggery
>
>
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, |
what to choose...further question..
Kevin=2C
The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7 year
s (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the spr
ings.
It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a fairl
y bumpy grass field=2C and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking bro
nco. Especially on landing=2C unless you push the stick forward=2C
the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an inexp
erienced pilot.
A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
So I recently changed back=2C but had a problem with getting the bungee as
tight as I had before=2C and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a
spring on one side and a bungee on the other side=2C plus the safety cable
. I should mention one incident with the new bungee=2C where the safety cab
le cut through two strands of the bungee=2C with the safety cable sving me
from a prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfort.
If you are not operating on rough terrain=2C then you shouldn't have to wor
ry with the springs.
Regarding mono versus trigear=2C someone mentioned the better cruise perfor
mance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it was
a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times=2C with very ec
onomical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local' flight
s from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.
The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more r
ecent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.
Karl
<html><div></div>> From: ksiggery@mac.com> To: europa-list@matronics
.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear=2C what to choose?Mono or
Tri-Gear=2C what to choose...further question..> Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 0
@mac.com>> > kind of a corollary to the question=3B assuming you then have
a tri-gear > (as we do=3B G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when consid
ering the > bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have
==> > >
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Dave=2C
What does that maintenance consist of ? I never noticed anything unusual wi
th my original bungee=2C and am convinced that they last at least 10 years.
They do need two strong pairs of arms when installing.
Karl
<html><div></div>
what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear=2C what to choose...further question..
Ran the bungee nose leg system for five years. I found it must be well ten
sioned=2C and requires at least yearly maintenence. Never tried the spring
s=2C but should be good.
dave
2008/8/25 Kevin Siggery <ksiggery@mac.com>
a corollary to the question=3B assuming you then have a tri-gear (as we do
=3B G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the bungee nosew
heel system compared to the spring system? (we have a bungee but are thinki
ng of changing).
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
How about "neither". I threw away my bungee cords and welded up the
nosewheel. There is plenty of "give" between the flex of the nosegear and
absorption of the tire. If you need more than that, you're landings need
work.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Siggery" <ksiggery@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a bungee
> but are thinking of changing).
>
> Kevin Siggery
>
>
>
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Last of the Summer wine |
My message regarding "Pilots Responsibilities" was intended for those takin
g part in the LOTSW trip. Please disregard the request to aknowledge if you
are not taking part.
_________________________________________________________________
Be the filmmaker you always wanted to be=97learn how to burn a DVD with Win
dows=AE.
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, |
what to choose...further question..
My bungees needed re tensioning at least once a year, as the front end
got really mushy. After the springs, it's not a problem...
Jeff - Baby Blue
Karl Heindl wrote:
>
> Dave,
>
> What does that maintenance consist of ? I never noticed anything unusual
> with my original bungee, and am convinced that they last at least 10
> years. They do need two strong pairs of arms when installing.
>
> Karl
>
>
> <html><div></div>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:44 +0100
> From: wooburnaviation@googlemail.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or
> Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..
>
>
> Ran the bungee nose leg system for five years. I found it must be well
> tensioned, and requires at least yearly maintenence. Never tried the
> springs, but should be good.
>
> dave
>
> 2008/8/25 Kevin Siggery <ksiggery@mac.com <mailto:ksiggery@mac.com>>
>
> <mailto:ksiggery@mac.com>>
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a
> tri-gear (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when
> considering the bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring
> system? (we have a bungee but are thinking of changing).
>
> *
>
> target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
> ttp://forums.matronics.com
> =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Precisely.
According to the Europa Factory the nosewheel gear leg does all the work, i.
e., flexing, during "normal" landings. The bungee or springs are there to
absorb the load from a really bad landing and therefore should never be
stressed at all. The cable is there simply to limit travel of the arm in
the event of overloading the entire nosegear assembly (which would be
considered more of a crash than a landing).
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 5:39 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
How about "neither". I threw away my bungee cords and welded up the
nosewheel. There is plenty of "give" between the flex of the nosegear and
absorption of the tire. If you need more than that, you're landings need
work.
Garry Stout
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Siggery" <ksiggery@mac.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 4:17 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a bungee
> but are thinking of changing).
>
> Kevin Siggery
>
>
>
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Clamp |
Pat
Thank you for the clamp modification it fits lovely to the tube instead of the
usual way, This saves drilling the nylon bushes and give an all-round better and
safer construction to the Torque Tube. Doing the mod prevents any possible
movement developing and also allows the removal of the Torque Tube easy if required.
I have put some pictures here
http://www.mykitlog.com/users/display_log.php?user=160966richar&project=270&category=0&log=61455&row=4
Thank you again
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Europa Accident in Austria |
All
I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22. August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop for cruise
settings.
Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one tree.
He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and its design - it is a
wonderful plane to fly.
I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to come
and fly in future.
I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
Lets all give him warm thoughts.
He is the braviest Man I know.
http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk-2
Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono vs. Tri-gear |
Jeff, wrote,
"I took a ride with John Hurst, who only had a mono to demonstrate. Aft
er watching an
experienced pilot, like John, handle the mono on concrete, I quickly
made the decision to go Tri-gear. I've never regretted that decision."
Jeff, I am happy for you that you chose the join the Europa community wi
th Baby Blue. The Europa is a great plane; mono or Tri-gear. I only wi
sh that the mono wasn't desparigage in the process of making a case for
the Tri-gear. As a mono pilot who has only flow his plane off of hard s
urfaces (asphalt or conrete) for the last 500 hours I do realize that di
fferent skills are necessary to handle the mono. I also recognize the f
act that these skill can be learned with the aid of competent flight ins
truction. I had zero tailwheel time when I transitioned into the Europa
. With a couple of hours (literally two hours) of training by Bob Linds
ay, my flight instructor transitioned into the Europa. Of course has man
y hundred of hours of tailwheel time and did not find the Europa diffic
ult to handle. He did note that it was differnent than other tailwheel
aircraft that he had flown. My flight instructor then set out to transit
ion train my in my Europa. With the requisite 10 hours of dual complete
I received my tailwheel endorsement and haven't looked back.
____________________________________________________________
Don't let your life go up in flames. Click here for the latest fire saf
tey products.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iige0pW12z0JdavXML0BB91
IFcGOCji9o1AoCbIwkuYiojSL1/
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono vs. Tri-gear |
OOPS. I hit the send key instead of spell check.
Jeff, wrote,
"I took a ride with John Hurst, who only had a mono to demonstrate. Aft
er watching an
experienced pilot, like John, handle the mono on concrete, I quickly
made the decision to go Tri-gear. I've never regretted that decision."
Jeff, I am happy for you that you chose the join the Europa community wi
th Baby Blue. The Europa is a great plane; mono or Tri-gear. I only wi
sh that the mono wasn't disparaged in the process of making a case for t
he Tri-gear. As a mono pilot who has only flow his plane off of hard su
rfaces (asphalt or concrete) for the last 500 hours I do realize that di
fferent skills are necessary to handle the mono. I also recognize the f
act that these skill can be learned with the aid of competent flight ins
truction. I had zero tailwheel time when I transitioned into the Europa
. With a couple of hours (literally two hours) of training by Bob Linds
ay, my flight instructor transitioned into the Europa. Of course has man
y hundred of hours of tailwheel time and did not find the Europa diffic
ult to handle. He did note that it was different than other tailwheel a
ircraft that he had flown. My flight instructor then set out to transiti
on train my in my Europa. With the requisite 10 hours of dual complete
I received my tailwheel endorsement and haven't looked back.
The mono is a great plane. I do have to use my feet from the moment I s
tart the plane until the moment I shut it down. I have happy dancing fe
et. This is not a bad thing, it is just what is required. Like any tai
lwheel aircraft you have to keep the thing going straight. Sloppy groun
d handling is not tolerated. I find the mono a joy to fly, all aspects
of it.
In closing, I am happy for any one to join the Europa family with either
a mono or a Tri-gear. Please do not disparage the mono to make a case
for the Tri-gear. Remember there are a lot of mono pilots out their tha
t love their Europa as-is and have no intention of changing the configur
ation of their bird.
Kind regards,
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914
____________________________________________________________
Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your need
s.
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iifPTvIzkd8NTUhdE0UlCwX
Z0s3SpWnvr3uV2flHbOsTC4Otx/
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Raimo-
Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital Jos is in? We
would like to send at least a card and maybe phone him. Do you have any idea
how long he will be hospitalized?
Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> All
>
> I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22. August.
> It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells city.
> I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
>
> Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop for cruise
> settings.
> Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
> He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one
> tree.
> He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
> He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
>
> Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and its design - it is
a
> wonderful plane to fly.
> I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to come
> and fly in future.
> I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
> Lets all give him warm thoughts.
>
> He is the braviest Man I know.
>
> http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk-2
>
> Raimo Toivio, Finland
> OH-XRT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
<html><body>
<DIV>Raimo-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital Jos is in?
We would like to send at least a card and maybe phone him. Do you
have any idea how long he will be hospitalized?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Raimo Toivio"
<raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> <BR><BR>> --> Europa-List message posted
by: "Raimo Toivio" <RAIMO.TOIVIO@RWM.FI><BR>> <BR>> All <BR>> <BR>>
I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22. August.
<BR>> It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital
Wells city. <BR>> I spoke with him today and this is what he told: <BR>>
<BR>> Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop
for cruise <BR>> settings. <BR>> Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
<BR>> He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines
but hit one <BR>> tree. <BR>> He was able to escape from the wreck just
before it catched fire. <BR>> He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
<BR>> <BR>> Jos stated strongly there is not
hing f
opa-Li
<pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
</b></font></pre></body></html>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Finish Europa crash landed near Wels in Austria (LOLW) |
Just learned that a finish Europa crash landed near Wels in Austria (LOLW) shortly
after taking off on his return flight from Austria to Finland.
Most probably he attended the Rotax Fly-in which was organized this weekend in
Wels, Austria.
According to the news report the pilot was alone and could exit the plane by himself,
but suffered severe burns; the plane burned and was completely destroyed.
Has anybody more information?
you can find some info on: welsin.tv and search for "Europa"
Klaus
(OE-CKD)
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Europa Accident in Austria |
Hello Raimo
What a sad story. Kate and I will always have a P2 seat available for Jos in
Florida. So please tell him to get well soon and we will see him at Sun n
Fun hopefully next year :-)
Give him our very best regards and tell him we are both thinking of him.
Kind Regards
Alan & Kate Burrows
Tri gear N134AB (ex G-CBWF)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 25 August 2008 19:07
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
All
I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22.
August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells
city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop for
cruise settings.
Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one
tree.
He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and its design - it
is a wonderful plane to fly.
I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to
come and fly in future.
I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
Lets all give him warm thoughts.
He is the braviest Man I know.
http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk=9
52
Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Jim
I do not know the name of the hospital
but it is near the accident place and there are 1400 beds.
Must be Wel=B4s Central Hospital and this address should be
good enough if you like to send something to Austria.
I will ask him a permission to publish his phone number.
Think he will be hospitalized weeks. He was very near to go.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: jimpuglise@comcast.net
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Raimo-
Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital Jos
is in? We would like to send at least a card and maybe phone him. Do
you have any idea how long he will be hospitalized?
Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> All
>
> I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last
Friday 22. August.
> It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the
hospital Wells city.
> I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
>
> Soon after take off from the Well=B4s airport he adjusted his new
prop for cruise
> settings.
> Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
> He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines
but hit one
> tree.
> He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
> He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
>
> Jos stated strongly there is not hing f opa-Li
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Raimo,
Yes, please provide some contact information for Jos. I wish to send
greetings and condolences to our friend.
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Aug 25, 2008, at 13:47, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> Raimo-
>
> Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital
> Jos is in? We would like to send at least a card and maybe phone
> him. Do you have any idea how long he will be hospitalized?
>
> Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> >
> > All
> >
> > I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last
> Friday 22. August.
> > It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the
> hospital Wells city.
> > I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
> >
> > Soon after take off from the Well=B4s airport he adjusted his new
> prop for cruise
> > settings.
> > Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
> > He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines
> but hit one
> > tree.
> > He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
> > He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
> >
> > Jos stated strongly there is not hing f opa-Li
>
>
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution.
Can't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a
trike, adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg (
over a warp drive).
Dave
On 25/08/2008, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7
> years (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the
> springs.
> It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a
> fairly bumpy grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking
> bronco. Especially on landing, unless you push the stick forward,
> the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an
> inexperienced pilot.
> A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
> So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the bungee as
> tight as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a
> spring on one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable. I
> should mention one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut
> through two strands of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a
> prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfort.
> If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry
> with the springs.
>
> Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise
> performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it
> was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very
> economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local'
> flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.
> The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more
> recent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.
>
> Karl
>
>
> <html><div></div>
>
> > From: ksiggery@mac.com
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or
> Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..
> > Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100
> >
> >
> > kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> > (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> > bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a
> > bungee but are thinking of changing).
> >
> ====================
> > _=======================
> >
> >
> >
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Bob B,
Address:
Wels=B4s Hospital
Wels
Austria
Phone number (I got a permission to tell it):
Notice: he is not able to talk much!
He will be happy to receive some SMS.
+ 358 - 40 - 500 7853
Raimo
OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Borger
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Raimo,
Yes, please provide some contact information for Jos. I wish to send
greetings and condolences to our friend.
Thanks,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
On Aug 25, 2008, at 13:47, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
Raimo-
Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital
Jos is in? We would like to send at least a card and maybe phone him.
Do you have any idea how long he will be hospitalized?
Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> All
>
> I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last
Friday 22. August.
> It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the
hospital Wells city.
> I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
>
> Soon after take off from the Well=B4s airport he adjusted his
new prop for cruise
> settings.
> Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
> He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines
but hit one
> tree.
> He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched
fire.
> He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
>
> Jos stated strongly there is not hing f opa-Li
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
ics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
ontribution
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Alan & Kate
I told him and got a message back "I will VERY surely come to Florida" !
Wishes, Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Alan Burrows" <alan@kestrel-insurance.com>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:17 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Hello Raimo
What a sad story. Kate and I will always have a P2 seat available for Jos in
Florida. So please tell him to get well soon and we will see him at Sun n
Fun hopefully next year :-)
Give him our very best regards and tell him we are both thinking of him.
Kind Regards
Alan & Kate Burrows
Tri gear N134AB (ex G-CBWF)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: 25 August 2008 19:07
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
All
I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22.
August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells
city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop for
cruise settings.
Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one
tree.
He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and its design - it
is a wonderful plane to fly.
I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to
come and fly in future.
I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
Lets all give him warm thoughts.
He is the braviest Man I know.
http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk=9
52
Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, |
what to choose...further question..
My 5c worth
I went through this dilemma when buying and although the mono looks so much
sexier went for tri gear because it thought a mono would be difficult to
sell if it ever came to it.
Will
Checked by AVG.
13:16
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Europa Accident in Austria |
Poor Jos,
My heart goes out to you.
All that work and very little time for a payoff. I hope you have a speedy
recovery.
My best wishes to you in the hospital and when you get back.
Greg Fuchs
On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
All
I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22.
August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells
city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
Soon after take off from the Wells airport he adjusted his new prop for
cruise settings.
Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one
tree.
He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and its design - it
is a wonderful plane to fly.
I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to
come and fly in future.
I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
Lets all give him warm thoughts.
He is the braviest Man I know.
http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk=9
52
Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Raimo,
I am having issues with overseas SMS. Please pass along the following
message for me:
Jos,
We are very sorry to hear of your accident. You will be in our
prayers for a speedy recovery. Remember, there will always be a seat
for you in any aircraft I have.
Get well soon.
Bob & Maureen Borger
Thanks,
Bob
On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Bob B,
>
> Address:
>
> Wels=B4s Hospital
> Wels
> Austria
>
> Phone number (I got a permission to tell it):
>
> Notice: he is not able to talk much!
> He will be happy to receive some SMS.
>
> + 358 - 40 - 500 7853
>
> Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Robert Borger
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 10:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
>
> Raimo,
>
> Yes, please provide some contact information for Jos. I wish to
> send greetings and condolences to our friend.
>
> Thanks,
> Bob Borger
> Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
> http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
> (99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel.
> 3705 Lynchburg Dr.
> Corinth, TX 76208
> Home: 940-497-2123
> Cel: 817-992-1117
>
>
> On Aug 25, 2008, at 13:47, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Raimo-
>>
>> Can you provide an address and / or phone number for the Hospital
>> Jos is in? We would like to send at least a card and maybe phone
>> him. Do you have any idea how long he will be hospitalized?
>>
>> Thanks - Jim, A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
>>
>> -------------- Original message --------------
>> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>>
>> >
>> > All
>> >
>> > I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last
>> Friday 22. August.
>> > It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the
>> hospital Wells city.
>> > I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
>> >
>> > Soon after take off from the Well=B4s airport he adjusted his new
>> prop for cruise
>> > settings.
>> > Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
>> > He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines
>> but hit one
>> > tree.
>> > He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
>> > He suffers serious injuries but will survive.
>> >
>> > Jos stated strongly there is not hing f opa-Li
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matroni
cs.com/Navigator?Europa-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>>
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co
ntribution
>>
>
>
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono vs. Tri-gear |
Erich, please don't take my story as disparaging the mono. I just
didn't want the handling I experienced in the plane I took the ride in.
The mono is a fine aircraft for those who want a tail dragger. I just
prefer the trike. Different strokes and all... :)
Jeff
Erich Trombley wrote:
> OOPS. I hit the send key instead of spell check.
>
> Jeff, wrote,
>
> "I took a ride with John Hurst, who only had a mono to demonstrate.
> After watching an
> experienced pilot, like John, handle the mono on concrete, I quickly
> made the decision to go Tri-gear. I've never regretted that decision."
>
> Jeff, I am happy for you that you chose the join the Europa community
> with Baby Blue. The Europa is a great plane; mono or Tri-gear. I only
> wish that the mono wasn't disparaged in the process of making a case for
> the Tri-gear. As a mono pilot who has only flow his plane off of hard
> surfaces (asphalt or concrete) for the last 500 hours I do realize that
> different skills are necessary to handle the mono. I also recognize the
> fact that these skill can be learned with the aid of competent flight
> instruction. I had zero tailwheel time when I transitioned into the
> Europa. With a couple of hours (literally two hours) of training by Bob
> Lindsay, my flight instructor transitioned into the Europa. Of
> course has many hundred of hours of tailwheel time and did not find the
> Europa difficult to handle. He did note that it was different than
> other tailwheel aircraft that he had flown. My flight instructor then
> set out to transition train my in my Europa. With the requisite 10
> hours of dual complete I received my tailwheel endorsement and haven't
> looked back.
>
> The mono is a great plane. I do have to use my feet from the moment I
> start the plane until the moment I shut it down. I have happy dancing
> feet. This is not a bad thing, it is just what is required. Like any
> tailwheel aircraft you have to keep the thing going straight.
> Sloppy ground handling is not tolerated. I find the mono a joy to fly,
> all aspects of it.
>
> In closing, I am happy for any one to join the Europa family with either
> a mono or a Tri-gear. Please do not disparage the mono to make a case
> for the Tri-gear. Remember there are a lot of mono pilots out their
> that love their Europa as-is and have no intention of changing the
> configuration of their bird.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Erich Trombley
> N28ET Classic Mono 914
>
>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here to find the satellite television package that meets your
> needs.
> <http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2132/fc/Ioyw6iifPTvIzkd8NTUhdE0UlCwXZ0s3SpWnvr3uV2flHbOsTC4Otx/>
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
>
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Raimo
I am very sad to hear your news about Jos. If you speak to him before I
do please give him my best wishes. Please publish the hospital address.
When I was in hospital the "get well" cards around my bed from all over
the world gave me a real lift.
Graham
Raimo Toivio wrote:
>
> All
>
> I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22. August.
> It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells city.
> I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
> Raimo Toivio, Finland
> OH-XRT
>
>
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Dave=2C
I know=2C that a given Europa will weigh more with the trigear=2C but all E
uropas differ greatly in overall weight=2C depending on equipment and optio
ns=2C the original Classics being the lightest.
Karl<html><div></div>
what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear=2C what to choose...further question..
The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution. Ca
n't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a trike
=2C adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg ( over
a warp drive).
Dave
On 25/08/2008=2C Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
Kevin=2C The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for abo
ut 7 years (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch t
o the springs.It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am ba
sed at a fairly bumpy grass field=2C and the springs turn the aircraft into
a bucking bronco. Especially on landing=2C unless you push the stick forwa
rd=2Cthe nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an
inexperienced pilot.A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much mor
e forgiving.So I recently changed back=2C but had a problem with getting th
e bungee as tight as I had before=2C and I now have what to me is the ideal
solution: a spring on one side and a bungee on the other side=2C plus the
safety cable. I should mention one incident with the new bungee=2C where th
e safety cable cut through two strands of the bungee=2C with the safety cab
le sving me from a prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfo
rt.If you are not operating on rough terrain=2C then you shouldn't have to
worry with the springs. Regarding mono versus trigear=2C someone mentioned
the better cruise performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advanta
ge but note that it was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple
of times=2C with very economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also
made more 'local' flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.The weight adva
ntage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more recent monos cam
e in with a higher weight than my tri. Karl <html><div></div>> From
: ksiggery@mac.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List
: Mono or Tri-Gear=2C what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear=2C what to choose...f
urther question..> Date: Mon=2C 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100> > --> Europa-Li
st message posted by: Kevin Siggery <ksiggery@mac.com>> > kind of a corolla
ry to the question=3B assuming you then have a tri-gear > (as we do=3B G-RO
OV) what is the opinion of people when considering the > bungee nosewheel s
ystem compared to the spring system? (we have a > bungee but are thinking o
f changing).> ====================
=> _=======================
=> > >
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
I'll run this thread a bit longer by adding that I have a mono at 490 hours. I
originally learned to fly in a J 3 cub and Champ...had about 600 hours in tail
draggers when flew the Europa. It was no problem on grass from the first flight.
early landings on hard surface had a few minor swerves, nothing exciting.
I have a glider rating and that helps you focus on keeping it straight as the
wing tips side to side. The mono is what makes the europa unique with a sassy
look that appeals to me. I think the average pilot could handle it with checkout,
especially if having previous taildragger time. The mono is a pain when
you need to pull the wings out for inspection or do retract tests at annual.
I need to tighten the bungee and it is the dickens to get to. If I had it all
to do over, I would opt for the wider body and high top and Bob Berbees' conventional
gear. Been flying a Tiger Moth lately and it is also a real challange
to land, especially in a crosswind. The Europa has given me some good experience.
Ken carpenter N9XS Mono 914
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com>
Dave,
I know, that a given Europa will weigh more with the trigear, but all Europas differ
greatly in overall weight, depending on equipment and options, the original
Classics being the lightest.
Karl
<html><div></div>
From: wooburnaviation@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what
to choose...further question..
The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution. Can't
agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a trike, adding
23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg ( over a warp drive).
Dave
On 25/08/2008, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
Kevin,
The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7 years (never
gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the springs.
It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a fairly bumpy
grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking bronco. Especially
on landing, unless you push the stick forward,
the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an inexperienced
pilot.
A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the bungee as tight
as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a spring on
one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable. I should mention
one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut through two strands
of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a prop strike. So now
I have all the safety plus the comfort.
If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry with
the springs.
Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise performance
of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it was a trigear
that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very economical fuel
consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local' flights from CA to Alaska
and the Bahamas.
The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more recent
monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.
Karl
<html><div></div>
> From: ksiggery@mac.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100
>
>
> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a
> bungee but are thinking of changing).
>
====================
> _=======================
>
>
>
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List
ttp://forums.matronics.com
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
<html><body>
<DIV>I'll run this thread a bit longer by adding that I have a mono at 490 hours.
I originally learned to fly in a J 3 cub and Champ...had about 600 hours
in tail </DIV>
<DIV>draggers when flew the Europa. It was no problem on grass from the first
flight. early landings on hard surface had a few minor swerves, nothing
exciting. I have a glider rating and that helps you focus on keeping
it straight as the wing tips side to side. The mono is what makes the europa
unique with a sassy look that appeals to me. I think the average pilot
could handle it with checkout, especially if having previous taildragger
time. The mono is a pain when you need to pull the wings out for inspection
or do retract tests at annual. I need to tighten the bungee and
it is the dickens to get to. If I had it all to do over, I would opt for
the wider body and high top and Bob Berbees' conventional gear. Been
flying a Tiger Moth lately and it is also a real challange to land, especially
in a crosswind. The Europa has given me some good experience.</DIV>
<DIV>Ken carpenter N9XS Mono 914</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Karl Heindl
<kheindl@msn.com> <BR>
<STYLE>
.hmmessage P
{
margin:0px;
padding:0px
}
body.hmmessage
{
FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma
}
</STYLE>
Dave,<BR> <BR>I know, that a given Europa will weigh more with the trigear,
but all Europas differ greatly in overall weight, depending on equipment and
options, the original Classics being the lightest.<BR> <BR>Karl<BR><BR><html><div></div></html><BR><BR><BR>
<HR>
<BR>Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:35:12 +0200<BR>From: wooburnaviation@googlemail.com<BR>To:
europa-list@matronics.com<BR>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..<BR><BR><BR>
<DIV>The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution.
Can't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out
mono to a trike, adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another
5 kg ( over a warp drive).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dave</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=EC_gmail_quote>On 25/08/2008, <B class=EC_gmail_sendername>Karl Heindl</B> <<A href="mailto:kheindl@msn.com">kheindl@msn.com</A>> wrote:</SPAN>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=EC_gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px
solid">
<DIV>Kevin,<BR> <BR>The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted
for about 7 years (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to
switch to the springs.<BR>It really dpends which fields you are operating from.
I am based at a fairly bumpy grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft
into a bucking bronco. Especially on landing, unless you push the stick forward,<BR>the
nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an inexperienced
pilot.<BR>A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more
forgiving.<BR>So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the
bungee as tight as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution:
a spring on one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable.
I should mention one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut
through two strands of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a prop
strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comf
ort.<B
R>If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry with the springs.<BR> <BR>Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local' flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.<BR>The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more recent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.<BR> <BR>Karl<BR> <BR> <BR><BR><BR><html><div></div></html><BR><BR>> From: <A href="mailto:ksiggery@mac.com">ksiggery@mac.com</A><SPAN class=q><BR>> To: <A href="mailto:europa-list@matronics.com">europa-list@matronics.com</A><BR></SPAN><SPAN class=q>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..<BR><
/SPAN>
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100<SPAN class=q><BR>> <BR>> --> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin Siggery <<A href="mailto:ksiggery@mac.com">ksiggery@mac.com</A>><BR>> <BR>> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear <BR>> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the <BR>> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a <BR>> bungee but are thinking of changing).<BR>> <BR></SPAN>=====================<BR>> _========================<SPAN class=q><BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR><BR><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2>
</FONT></B></PRE></SPAN></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><PRE><B><FONT face="courier
new,courier" color=#000000 size=2>
target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List</A>
ttp://forums.matronics.com</A>
=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution</A>
</B></FONT></PRE><PRE><B><FONT face="courier new,courier" size=2 color000000?>
</B></FONT></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>
<pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
</b></font></pre></body></html>
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Europa Accident in Austria |
According to Mr. Google, the complete address for Jos's hospital is:
General Hospital Wels
Grieskirchnerstra=DFe 42,
A-4600, Wels ,Austria
Sigh,
Fred
A194
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Hi Dave,
I am just curious, was the 23 lbs increase including the fairings ?
Would you by chance have used magnesium wheels ?
Regards,
Paul McAllister
N378PJ
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|