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1. 12:09 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (Robert C Harrison)
2. 06:50 AM - Wishes from Jos (Raimo Toivio)
3. 08:08 AM - Re: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question.. (rick)
4. 08:29 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Hans Siedsma)
5. 09:00 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (nigel charles)
6. 09:51 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (Frans Veldman)
7. 11:48 AM - Re: Mode S transponders (nigel charles)
8. 01:20 PM - Re: Europa Accident in Austria (steve v)
9. 02:02 PM - Re: Mode S transponders (Gary Leinberger)
10. 02:17 PM - Re: Torque Tube Clamp (steve v)
11. 03:11 PM - Re: Mode S transponders (Frans Veldman)
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| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, |
what to choose...further question..
Hi! William/all
I must concur with your statement, I can't keep my nose out any longer !
I built G-PTAG as a convertible since folks advised that to learn I
would need the "TRAINER Wheel" in the first instance and after 600
hours+ I am content to leave it in that configuration. Although anyone
who would prefer the mono rig will have it all available when the a/c is
up for sale. I have just flown all over Europe alongside and behind
Ivor Phillips' G-IVER and at distance you don't see the legs in the
flight profile. At Mariehamn (Finland) we were confronted with 90 deg
cross winds gusting 25-28kts with tree rotor effect making me wonder why
I was there until I realized Ivor was behind in his new ship on
comparatively low hours. We both handled it OK because the trike has
differential braking to assist the rudder with direction control. On
departure from the same airfield I heard the tower call gusting 35 kts.
This is not a boast just facts towards the debate. I have witnessed too
many mono ground loops for me to ever consider myself competent on mono
wheels, why risk your hard earned savings ?
No offence to the many happy and very competent mono fliers.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Daniell
Sent: 25 August 2008 21:23
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or
Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..
My 5c worth
I went through this dilemma when buying and although the mono looks so
much sexier went for tri gear because it thought a mono would be
difficult to sell if it ever came to it.
Will
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All
Our brave pilot from Wels hospital Austria called me few seconds ago.
He beg me to tell wishes from him to all of you.
He has got about hundred SMS full of warm hugs with speedy recovery wishes etc.
He said he is happy without his plane because it is much easier to fly now.
He is going to fly round the ball using our Europas P2 seats.
Lets make it happen.
He also said that he is happy it was not just an ordinary car accident.
In that case he would be alone now but after plane accident he has noticed he has
so many good friends.
It was hard to see me pics where flames eat OH-registered plane but he said "no
problem - it was well insuranced"!
Regards, Raimo
OH-XRT
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| Subject: | Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what |
to choose...further question..
Hi Guys
Don't forget the pre looped single bungees made up from the original bungee
cord! You put on as many as you like depending on the tension you require.
If it's too loose put another on. Easy peasy.
My system has been on for 200 hours or so with absolutely no problems at the
bumpiest, short (300m) strip in the universe.
Rick Morris
Tri G-RIKS
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Buckley
Sent: 25 August 2008 20:35
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear,
what to choose...further question..
The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution.
Can't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a
trike, adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg (
over a warp drive).
Dave
On 25/08/2008, Karl Heindl <HYPERLINK
"mailto:kheindl@msn.com"kheindl@msn.com> wrote:
Kevin,
The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7 years
(never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the
springs.
It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a fairly
bumpy grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking bronco.
Especially on landing, unless you push the stick forward,
the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an
inexperienced pilot.
A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the bungee as
tight as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a
spring on one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable. I
should mention one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut
through two strands of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a
prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfort.
If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry
with the springs.
Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise
performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it
was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very
economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local'
flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.
The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more
recent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.
Karl
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> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or
Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100
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> kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
> (as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
> bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a
> bungee but are thinking of changing).
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 23:32
Aan: europa-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
I just received the Airworthiness Directive AD 2008-0158 \date 21 Aug. according
the S transponders Filser Type TRT 600 and TRT 800. Does not look to good.
At least do not operate the aircraft in airspace where a transponder is required
etc.....
Hans
Europa-List message posted by: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Thanks for all the inputs on transponder selection. I was surprised to
hear that it was possible to fit the Garmin 328as it is significantly
longer than a Garmin/Apollo SL40 radio which only just fits. I guess
the extra length must all be in the connector.
Having trawled the net for more info I have come to a similar
conclusion to Rowland. The points which I found to be significant were
as follows:
1. The Garmin 328 is a tight fit and is by far the heaviest and is
more limited in its capabilities
2. The Trig and the Filser are both much lighter with the Filser
including the encoder which saves even more weight and is simpler to
connect up.
3. The Filser is the cheapest of those available that fit in the
normal avionics stack.
4. The Filser offers a flip/flop type code selection like most radios.
5. The Garmin is the only one to offer dedicated number buttons for
entering codes. We use this way of inputting codes in our airliner
transponders and it is by far the easiest.
6. The power output is a little confusing. Most of them offer 250W
output from the set with an estimated 125W at the antenna. Some
manufacturers quote set power and others antenna power.
7. The Becker is significantly more expensive than the rest and seems
to offer no advantages to justify the extra price.
>From the above, on balance the Filser seems to be the most suitable
for my requirements.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner
Sent: 23 August 2008 19:29
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Hi Nigel,
I have replaced my GTX320 by a 328. In spite of being deeper, the 328
fits perfectly in the same place as the 320. Same panel cut out, too.
However, a 90 degree elbow antenna connector is required. Same panel
cut out, too.
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
options for replacing my Garmin 320 transponder. The logical choice
would initially appear to be the Garmin 328. However having checked on
the specifications the 328 is too deep for the central avionics stack
on
the Europa
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Hi Hans
I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
explain further or give me a link for the information.
Regards
Nigel Charles
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Siedsma
Sent: 26 August 2008 16:26
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
<H.Siedsma@inter.nl.net>
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens
nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 23:32
Aan: europa-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
I just received the Airworthiness Directive AD 2008-0158 \date 21 Aug.
according the S transponders Filser Type TRT 600 and TRT 800. Does not
look to good. At least do not operate the aircraft in airspace where a
transponder is required etc.....
Hans
Europa-List message posted by: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk"
<nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Thanks for all the inputs on transponder selection. I was surprised to
hear that it was possible to fit the Garmin 328as it is significantly
longer than a Garmin/Apollo SL40 radio which only just fits. I guess
the extra length must all be in the connector.
Having trawled the net for more info I have come to a similar
conclusion to Rowland. The points which I found to be significant were
as follows:
1. The Garmin 328 is a tight fit and is by far the heaviest and is
more limited in its capabilities
2. The Trig and the Filser are both much lighter with the Filser
including the encoder which saves even more weight and is simpler to
connect up.
3. The Filser is the cheapest of those available that fit in the
normal avionics stack.
4. The Filser offers a flip/flop type code selection like most
radios.
5. The Garmin is the only one to offer dedicated number buttons for
entering codes. We use this way of inputting codes in our airliner
transponders and it is by far the easiest.
6. The power output is a little confusing. Most of them offer 250W
output from the set with an estimated 125W at the antenna. Some
manufacturers quote set power and others antenna power.
7. The Becker is significantly more expensive than the rest and
seems
to offer no advantages to justify the extra price.
>From the above, on balance the Filser seems to be the most suitable
for my requirements.
Regards
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner
Sent: 23 August 2008 19:29
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Hi Nigel,
I have replaced my GTX320 by a 328. In spite of being deeper, the 328
fits perfectly in the same place as the 320. Same panel cut out, too.
However, a 90 degree elbow antenna connector is required. Same panel
cut out, too.
Regards
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
options for replacing my Garmin 320 transponder. The logical choice
would initially appear to be the Garmin 328. However having checked on
the specifications the 328 is too deep for the central avionics stack
on
the Europa
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| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
nigel charles wrote:
> Hi Hans
>
> I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
> explain further or give me a link for the information.
I received this AD as well for my Filser equipped Cessna, and it just
means that I'm grounded as transponders are mandatory here (unless you
stay in class G, below 1200ft.)
According to the maintenance guys they have had endless problems with
these transponders. Mine also fails some test (sideband suppression).
After repair/upgrade by Filser these transponders often turn out worse
than they were before the fix. For this reason the avionics company is
going to return all transponders still within the warranty period and
replace them by something else.
I planned to put a Filser in my Europa as well, but I now changed my
mind. Take a look at this one:
http://www.mode-sierra.com/pdf-files/productomschrijving%20VT-01.pdf
Only 750 grams, and the nice part is that you can split the unit into a
small control unit and the main unit. The control unit goes into the
instrument panel, and the main unit in the tail. For the 914/cs-prop
people this gives a better weight distribution, and, more importantly,
this means that you can connect the antenna directly to the unit. No
more heavy cables, cable losses, etc.
For the rest it has about the same features as the Filser, and the price
is also about the same.
Frans
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Hi Frans
Thanks for the info. As I require a rack mounted unit I will have a look
at the VT-02 version of the Mode Sierra transponder.
Regards
Nigel
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans
Veldman
Sent: 26 August 2008 17:58
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
<frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
nigel charles wrote:
> Hi Hans
>
> I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
> explain further or give me a link for the information.
I received this AD as well for my Filser equipped Cessna, and it just
means that I'm grounded as transponders are mandatory here (unless you
stay in class G, below 1200ft.)
According to the maintenance guys they have had endless problems with
these transponders. Mine also fails some test (sideband suppression).
After repair/upgrade by Filser these transponders often turn out worse
than they were before the fix. For this reason the avionics company is
going to return all transponders still within the warranty period and
replace them by something else.
I planned to put a Filser in my Europa as well, but I now changed my
mind. Take a look at this one:
http://www.mode-sierra.com/pdf-files/productomschrijving%20VT-01.pdf
Only 750 grams, and the nice part is that you can split the unit into a
small control unit and the main unit. The control unit goes into the
instrument panel, and the main unit in the tail. For the 914/cs-prop
people this gives a better weight distribution, and, more importantly,
this means that you can connect the antenna directly to the unit. No
more heavy cables, cable losses, etc.
For the rest it has about the same features as the Filser, and the price
is also about the same.
Frans
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8/26/2008 7:29 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Europa Accident in Austria |
Very sad news, i hope Jos makes a speedy recovery and wish him all the very best,
steve.
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| Subject: | Mode S transponders |
Are these transponders legal in the U.S.?
Gary Leinberger
A237
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans
Veldman
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
--> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
nigel charles wrote:
> Hi Hans
>
> I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
> explain further or give me a link for the information.
I received this AD as well for my Filser equipped Cessna, and it just
means that I'm grounded as transponders are mandatory here (unless you
stay in class G, below 1200ft.)
According to the maintenance guys they have had endless problems with
these transponders. Mine also fails some test (sideband suppression).
After repair/upgrade by Filser these transponders often turn out worse
than they were before the fix. For this reason the avionics company is
going to return all transponders still within the warranty period and
replace them by something else.
I planned to put a Filser in my Europa as well, but I now changed my
mind. Take a look at this one:
http://www.mode-sierra.com/pdf-files/productomschrijving%20VT-01.pdf
Only 750 grams, and the nice part is that you can split the unit into a
small control unit and the main unit. The control unit goes into the
instrument panel, and the main unit in the tail. For the 914/cs-prop
people this gives a better weight distribution, and, more importantly,
this means that you can connect the antenna directly to the unit. No
more heavy cables, cable losses, etc.
For the rest it has about the same features as the Filser, and the price
is also about the same.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Torque Tube Clamp |
hi Pat,
have you done away with the four pins or are they obscured by the clamps?
steve #573
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| Subject: | Re: Mode S transponders |
Gary Leinberger wrote:
>
> Are these transponders legal in the U.S.
I don't know, but here in the Netherlands mode S is mandatory. BTW, If
anyone is interested in my old King mode C transponder just let me know.
Frans
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