Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 01:10 AM - Europa Club AGM (Brian Davies)
2. 01:33 AM - Re: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure (G-IANI)
3. 01:33 AM - Re: Re: EGT Probes (David Buckley)
4. 01:44 AM - Jos information (Raimo Toivio)
5. 01:47 AM - Jos information (Raimo Toivio)
6. 02:06 AM - Re: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure (Graham Singleton)
7. 02:24 AM - Re: Re: EGT Probes (nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk)
8. 02:46 AM - Europa Club AGM (David Watts)
9. 03:34 AM - Re: Europa Club AGM (Paul Mitchell)
10. 07:27 AM - Re: Jos information (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
11. 07:57 AM - Re : Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure (John & Paddy Wigney)
12. 07:58 AM - North Weald Fly In (rick)
13. 03:41 PM - Re: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure (steve v)
14. 06:49 PM - It's on! (N55XS)
15. 09:23 PM - Re: It's on! (Fred Klein)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
For those who did not get a direct e mail or have forgotten, the Europa Club
AGM will take place at Laddingford airfield at 1400 on Saturday 30 August.
Ivan Shaw will be addressing the AGM and we expect an update on Europa
Aircraft (2004) Ltd. Call 07801 7211 for details and to let them know you
are coming. There will be a BBQ after the AGM.
Regards
Brian Davies
The Europa Club, membership sec.
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure |
Terry Clark had similar problems.
He was advised by Skydrive that it was likely to be a broken wire just
inside the box, and tried to find the fault. He accepted that this could
cause the unit to fail completely. No faulty connection could be found and
the unit stopped working completely. The replacement cost over 400
He subsequently found that the other box still had an intermittent fault.
With further use the fault has become repeatable. When COLD the unit will
shut down, when the mag is grounded, but when HOT grounding the mag fails to
shut down the unit.
I and others have had considerable problems trying to find the fault.
During initial engine tests the engine would not shut down on some
occasions. The electrics were supplied and fitted by R.D. Aviation. They
supplied, no less than 3 ignition switches thinking that it could be the
problem. All the wiring was thoroughly checked. It was also impossible to
identify which magneto was at fault as it varied between failures, giving
support to the theory that it was the wiring. Under cowl temperatures have
been checked to ensure that they do not exceed the specified limits.
While, originally, the fault was intermittent it has now become repeatable
with the original module failing to shut down when HOT.
The conclusion is that both modules have been faulty since new (they are
consecutive serial numbers) with the switching transistor junctions failing
at higher temperatures. These modules, at their exceptionally high cost,
are expected to last the lifetime of the engine.
The story above is for information. I am sorry but it does not help solve
the problem. I am convinced these modules, are far less reliable than they
should be. They cost pennies to make and are sold at an insane prices as
high reliability aircraft parts. When they fail we are invariably told it
is the owners fault (too hot, wires allowed to vibrate etc).
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Ira, Troy
I would like to fit a 4 probe EGT to my Europa (912 u/l). What
system/display are you using please? Any comments on it's effectiveness
appreciated.
Thanks
Dave
G-CCGW
On 27/08/2008, rampil <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Troy,
>
> My old and new exhausts both have uniform diameter and thickness
> from the block flange to the ball joint. The only care was in siting
> the weld-on bung so that the probe, sticking out 4 inches or so
> do not obstruct access to the flange nuts or fitting the cowl back on.
> In my new exhaust system, I have EGTs on all 4 cylinders.
>
> --------
> Ira N224XS
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0959#200959
>
>
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
All who cares Jos
Probably he will be moved to Finnish hospital after two weeks.
That place will maybe be The Univercity Hospital in Oulu.
He is hopeful about his eye.
Accident: earlier I wrote his prop was feathered. That was my misunderstanding.
Prop went fine, then superfine and finally to the beta (= zero) angles or even
reversed.
Jos has an interesting theory why it happened but let him tel it by himself.
Between my ears the theory was believable.
And horrible.
Regards, Raimo
OH-XRT
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
All who cares Jos
Probably he will be moved to Finnish hospital after two weeks.
That place will maybe be The Univercity Hospital in Oulu.
He is hopeful about his eye.
Accident: earlier I wrote his prop was feathered. That was my misunderstanding.
Prop went fine, then superfine and finally to the beta (= zero) angles or even
reversed.
Jos has an interesting theory why it happened but let him tel it by himself.
Between my ears the theory was believable.
And horrible.
Regards, Raimo
OH-XRT
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure |
G-BWON had a very similar fault which was cured by swapping one of the
Ign modules.
Graham
G-IANI wrote:
>
>
> Terry Clark had similar problems.
>
> He was advised by Skydrive that it was likely to be a broken wire just
> inside the box, and tried to find the fault. He accepted that this could
> cause the unit to fail completely. No faulty connection could be found and
> the unit stopped working completely. The replacement cost over 400
>
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
I have a 4 probe EGT system but didnt want to pay for a complicated
engine monitoring display. I used a 4 position rotary switch in
conjunction with a uMonitor system. As the Rotax has no mixture control
the need to make adjustments based on EGT are not required. My main
reason for having 4 probes is to be able to instantly identify which
cylinder is giving a problem should the engine run rough for any reason
(eg rpm drop out of limits on a magneto check). This is easily achieved
with a switch and a single display.
Nigel Charles
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-
server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Buckley
Sent: 28 August 2008 09:31
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: EGT Probes
Ira, Troy
I would like to fit a 4 probe EGT to my Europa (912 u/l). What
system/display are you using please? Any comments on it's
effectiveness appreciated.
Thanks
Dave
G-CCGW
On 27/08/2008, rampil <ira.rampil@gmail.com> wrote:
Troy,
My old and new exhausts both have uniform diameter and thickness
from the block flange to the ball joint. The only care was in siting
the weld-on bung so that the probe, sticking out 4 inches or so
do not obstruct access to the flange nuts or fitting the cowl back on.
In my new exhaust system, I have EGTs on all 4 cylinders.
--------
Ira N224XS
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0959#200959
How safe is your email? - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securemail
__________________________________________________________
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
For the attention of any pilots intending to fly in to Laddingford on
Saturday for the Europa Club AGM.
Laddingford is situated just outside to the Northeast of Paddock Wood in
Kent. (Make sure you get us to the North of the railway line and not Old
Hay less than 1 mile away to the South of the railway line.
We have 2 runways. 11/29 which is 750 Mtrs long and 03/21 which is 450
Mtrs long. Unless it is blowing a strong wind we shall be using 11/29
All circuits to the North of the field at 1000 ft.
Make calls on Safety Com 135.47.
Take a good look at the runway whilst in the circuit as we do have a
public footpath running across the runway about 100 Mtrs from the
Eastern end and quite a few people use this, especially dog walkers. If
nobody has landed ahead of you for some time, make sure you take an
extra special look.
If landing on 29 taxi to 03 and turn onto that to use the parallel
taxiway to the north of the runway.
If landing on 11 turn on to either of the 2 taxiways adjacent to the
hangars unless you overshoot them in which case continue to the taxiway
almost at the far end of the runway.
No back-tracking (there is no need) in case it gets busy.
Have a safe flight and a good day.
Dave Watts
Laddingford Aerodrome Manager
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Europa Club AGM |
Brian,
Mary and I would like to come to the fly in/AGM. Dave Bossamsworth
invited us and several other Tecnams to a BBQ I think two years ago and
were made very welcome. Do not feel I should attend the AGM due to my
Tecnam connection.
Will confirm on the phone number.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Davies
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:08 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Club AGM
For those who did not get a direct e mail or have forgotten, the
Europa Club AGM will take place at Laddingford airfield at 1400 on
Saturday 30 August. Ivan Shaw will be addressing the AGM and we expect
an update on Europa Aircraft (2004) Ltd. Call 07801 7211 for details
and to let them know you are coming. There will be a BBQ after the AGM.
Regards
Brian Davies
The Europa Club, membership sec.
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
27/08/2008 07:01
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Jos information |
Raimo-
Thanks for keeping us updated and please continue to do so. We sent a card yesterday
and it should get to Austria OK. Let us have the move date when it is
set up.
Jim Puglise
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> All who cares Jos
>
> Probably he will be moved to Finnish hospital after two weeks.
> That place will maybe be The Univercity Hospital in Oulu.
> He is hopeful about his eye.
>
> Accident: earlier I wrote his prop was feathered. That was my misunderstanding.
> Prop went fine, then superfine and finally to the beta (= zero) angles or even
> reversed.
> Jos has an interesting theory why it happened but let him tel it by himself.
> Between my ears the theory was believable.
> And horrible.
>
> Regards, Raimo
> OH-XRT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
<html><body>
<DIV>Raimo-</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Thanks for keeping us updated and please continue to do so. We sent
a card yesterday and it should get to Austria OK. Let us have the move date
when it is set up.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Jim Puglise</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
=====
LOCKQU
OTE>
<pre><b><font size=2 color="#000000" face="courier new,courier">
</b></font></pre></body></html>
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure |
Hi Steve,
I endorse Terry Seaver's comments regarding possible broken wires at the
multi-pin connectors between the ignition modules and the coils. I had a
mag failure after ~380 hours and found this to be the problem after
talking to Kerry Younk at Lockwood Aviation. The wires break at the
bends just before the tiny cable grommets at the connectors and I
located the breaks by doing a check with needle probes on my continuity
tester. The repair of these was quite awkward and I was happy to let
Lockwood do the work.
Cheers, John
N262WF, mono XS, 912S
Mooresville, North Carolina
ORIGINAL MESSAGE
Subject: Europa-List: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure
From: "steve v " <s@vestuti.orangehome.co.uk>
hi,
a freind of mine with a new 912S on its first hour of flight has had a
magneto / ignition module failure, it is the lower of the two labeled
module "B", i have lent him mine so that he can complete the test flying
of the zenair, as the motor is about 2 years old, rotax will not honor
the warranty, anyone come across this and is it common? i will be taking
a hacksaw and avo to the module should he not get anywhere with Rotax,
steve #573
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | North Weald Fly In |
The RV crowd are holding a Fly in at North Weald this weekend with 70 + RV's
already booked to arrive. If anyone fancies joining our fellow build
travellers then I' sure they will give you a warm welcome as they have me
whenever I pitched up at an RV gathering in my Europa whilst building my RV.
PPR North Weald and read the book before setting off but don't mention the
price of Avgas to anyone! If anyone is there for the Saturday evening
barbecue Dave Broom will buy you a drink.
With Paddy away in the sun it might be an interesting DOTH! I'll be there
on Saturday most of the day.
Rick Morris
G-RIKS XS Tri Gear
D-RMRV RV7A
Can't bear to sell either as both are brilliant in their own ways.
Rick
Checked by AVG.
07:39
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure |
Thanks for all the feedback ,
it is now known for certain that ignition module b
is faulty not producing any spark whatsoever,
wiring checked & ok - even under load,
i will post back in a week or two with the results
of the post mortum of ign. mod B should the ear bashing
that rotax are getting over this premature failure not
result in a satisfactory outcome under warranty,
steve #573
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Hi all,
Paul and I have been in contact and have decided that, despite the
ominous predictions of fowl weather, the second annual USA Europa Fly-in
is still on. We've spoken to others, who plan to attend and it would
seem that fly, drive, or walk, lots of folks plan to attend.
Due to technical problems with Baby Blue, she may not make the trip, but
Mary and I will be there, regardless. Hope to see everyone next weekend...
Jeff - Baby Blue...
--
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
Count me in...
Fred
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|