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1. 12:26 AM - Re: North Weald Fly In (Steve Pitt)
2. 01:09 AM - FW: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/30/08 (David Corbett)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: North Weald Fly In (Paul Mitchell)
4. 02:33 AM - Laddingford (Steven Pitt)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (C Richardson)
6. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Rough River (Rman)
7. 10:20 AM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (josok)
8. 11:17 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Jos_Okhuisen? (Carl Pattinson)
9. 02:52 PM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (David Joyce)
10. 04:04 PM - Rough River (Fred Klein)
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Subject: | Re: North Weald Fly In |
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Subject: | FW: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/30/08 |
David,
Very many thanks to you, Marion and Peter for an excellent day yesterday -
your airfield was in superb condition and clearly all your efforts were well
rewarded. I am sorry that I had to get back to EGBS for an evening
appointment, otherwise I would have offered to fly some of your visitors.
Please can you tell us how you managed to arrange the right weather for the
right day - well done and thank you.
I got home to find a bridegromm strapping his bride, in her bridal dress,
into the open cockpit of his Pietenpol Aircamper to fly her to, rather than
away from, their reception. Now that was style!!!
Best wishes to you all,
David
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From: "David Watts" <dg.watts@talktalk.net>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
No Bob, it should be me that is sorry for our "undulations". I spend an
inordinate amount of time at the aerodrome getting it into the condition
that is, but I obviously need to consider seriously increasing my
effort. (To give you some idea though, Marion and me have been averaging
12 hours a day at the field for the last 5 days getting it all ready for
today).
Luckily the 6 trike Europas and many more monwheels that managed to
attend our event did a sterling job of giving air experience flights to
the many visitors that we had at the field. I did 6 flights myself
during the day and I know that several did more than that. In fact it
was extremely busy at times with a queue at the hold and a good number
in the circuit.
We done and thank you to all those who came and did us proud.
The Europa Club AGM also went well but I am sure that will be reported
elsewhere in more depth.
David Watts
Laddingford Aerodrome Manager.
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Subject: | Re: North Weald Fly In |
David,
I was one of two Tecnams that flew in yesterday and although we missed
the BBQ as Brian's original invite mail said AGM followed by the BBQ, we
had a great afternoon out in glorious sunshine although a little
challenging in the bright conditions going home to the west.
As for the strip,Really nice layout and well manicured. I did not
realise it was considered a problem till I saw the mails.
Again, Many thanks
Paul Mitchell and Mary Thompson G-TESR
Robin Mincik G-CEVM
----- Original Message -----
From: rick
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:34 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
Hi Dave
Thanks for a great afternoon at Laddingford. The strip is now a joy to
behold and one that you can be justly proud of. North Weald fly in was
also great but does not have the style and beauty that you guys have
managed to create.
All the best
Rick
G-RIKS XS Trike
G-RMRV RV Trike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 30 August 2008 23:18
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
No Bob, it should be me that is sorry for our "undulations". I spend
an inordinate amount of time at the aerodrome getting it into the
condition that is, but I obviously need to consider seriously increasing
my effort. (To give you some idea though, Marion and me have been
averaging 12 hours a day at the field for the last 5 days getting it all
ready for today).
Luckily the 6 trike Europas and many more monwheels that managed to
attend our event did a sterling job of giving air experience flights to
the many visitors that we had at the field. I did 6 flights myself
during the day and I know that several did more than that. In fact it
was extremely busy at times with a queue at the hold and a good number
in the circuit.
We done and thank you to all those who came and did us proud.
The Europa Club AGM also went well but I am sure that will be reported
elsewhere in more depth.
David Watts
Laddingford Aerodrome Manager.
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert C Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:49 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
Sorry David,
My trike can=92t handle the =93undulations=94! OTHERWISE I=92D BE
DELIGHTED.
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts
Sent: 30 August 2008 07:57
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
Nice to hear you are going to enjoy yourselves at North Weald.
Don't like to join us at the Europa Club Fly-in at Laddingford just
30 miles away on the same day then?
Dave
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From: Robert C Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:54 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
Hi! Rick/all
Hope to be with you at North Weald Saturday.
Regards
Bob Harrison
Do not archive.
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rick
Sent: 28 August 2008 15:57
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In
The RV crowd are holding a Fly in at North Weald this weekend with
70 + RV's already booked to arrive. If anyone fancies joining our
fellow build travellers then I' sure they will give you a warm welcome
as they have me whenever I pitched up at an RV gathering in my Europa
whilst building my RV. PPR North Weald and read the book before setting
off but don't mention the price of Avgas to anyone! If anyone is there
for the Saturday evening barbecue Dave Broom will buy you a drink.
With Paddy away in the sun it might be an interesting DOTH! I'll
be there on Saturday most of the day.
Rick Morris
G-RIKS XS Tri Gear
D-RMRV RV7A
Can't bear to sell either as both are brilliant in their own ways.
Rick
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Subject: | Re: Jos Okhuisen |
David,
Do you know what type of propellor Jos had fitted to his aircraft? It might
help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar situation.
Regards
John.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I spent
> a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in
> reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a
> boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and
> positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover.
> His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing
> well.
> We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the
> propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's
> description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to
> cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch
> to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he
> lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference. The
> land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get down
> more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a power
> cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane then
> fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not lost
> consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!), and
> was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower
> legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch)
> His address for those who want to send best wishes is:
> Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor
> Grieskirchener Strasse 42
> 4600 Wels, Austria
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
>
>
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Hi, gang,
At present, Mary and I are battening down the hatches for Gustov. Hope
this thing comes and goes, quickly. Don't know if we'll have power by
tomorrow, this time, but will stay in touch as long as possible. Still
planning on driving to Rough River. See you all Friday evening...
Jeff - Baby Blue
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Subject: | Re: Jos Okhuisen |
Hi John, Just a short reply. Tomorrow the internet here should be repaired then
more. It was a Woodcomp RS 3000 with reverse. Regards Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Jos_Okhuisen? |
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http://www.europaowners.org/modules/gallery/album206/Ivan_ja_Jos_4
http://www.europaowners.org/modules/gallery/Instument-panel/IMG_0001_001
Asssuming it is the same as the one initially installed, the prop is a
Wooscomp SR3000 with a Smart Avionics controller with a reverse pitch
switch.
We are about to install the same (minus reverse or feathering option).
Checking through the prop and controller manual it would seem that correctly
installed it is virtually impossible for the blades to go outside the normal
operating range (16.2 - 29.2 degrees) . The blades have cams and
microswitches that cut off the current if the limits are exceeded and there
is a second cutoff microswitch which will operate in the unlikely event the
primary switch fails (ie:short circuits). Of course switches can work their
way loose
Im not sure how the reverse pitch option affects the above.
Not sure you can prepare100% for an equipment malfunction - pretty much the
same as an engine failure - fly the aircraft and get it down in one piece
(if you can).
----- Original Message -----
From: "C Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen
>
> <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
>
> David,
> Do you know what type of propellor Jos had fitted to his aircraft? It
> might help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar
> situation.
> Regards
> John.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen
>
>
>> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I
>> spent a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in
>> reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a
>> boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and
>> positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover.
>> His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing
>> well.
>> We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the
>> propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's
>> description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to
>> cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch
>> to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he
>> lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference.
>> The land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get
>> down more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a
>> power cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane
>> then fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not
>> lost consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!),
>> and was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower
>> legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch)
>> His address for those who want to send best wishes is:
>> Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor
>> Grieskirchener Strasse 42
>> 4600 Wels, Austria
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Jos Okhuisen |
John, As Jos has already commented, he had a Woodcomp SR3000 with Smart
Avionics controller, (as did both Mark Burton and I on the same trip). The
difference is that he had an optional reverse option. As a purely personal
view, it appears to me that something went wrong with the wiring of the
reverse system, and I would certainly review the sense of operating a
reversible prop until the authorities have reported on their conclusions. On
the other hand, having spent a lot of time talking to Jos, looking at the
wreckage with the Austrian AAIB guy and discussing things with him, and
talking things over with Mark Burton, Conrad Beale and Andy Draper at the
LAA, I have no qualms about carrying on with my Woodcomp SR3000 and Smart
Avionics controller. Regards, David
----- Original Message -----
From: "C Richardson" <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen
> <cjh.richardson@virgin.net>
>
> David,
> Do you know what type of propellor Jos had fitted to his aircraft? It
> might help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar
> situation.
> Regards
> John.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
> To: "Europa list" <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM
> Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen
>
>
>> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>>
>> Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I
>> spent a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in
>> reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a
>> boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and
>> positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover.
>> His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing
>> well.
>> We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the
>> propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's
>> description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to
>> cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch
>> to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he
>> lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference.
>> The land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get
>> down more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a
>> power cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane
>> then fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not
>> lost consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!),
>> and was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower
>> legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch)
>> His address for those who want to send best wishes is:
>> Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor
>> Grieskirchener Strasse 42
>> 4600 Wels, Austria
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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RR gang,
Since I have a non-refundable airline ticket to Louisville, I'll be
there irrespective of the weather (well, that may be a stretch). I do
hope that somebody is flying in in their baby since I've shipped ahead
a set of wing root fairings for show and tell.
I see Gustav's track curving westward, away from KY.
Fred
A194
On Sunday, Aug 31, 2008, at 09:48 US/Pacific, Rman wrote:
>
> Hi, gang,
>
> At present, Mary and I are battening down the hatches for Gustov.
> Hope this thing comes and goes, quickly. Don't know if we'll have
> power by tomorrow, this time, but will stay in touch as long as
> possible. Still planning on driving to Rough River. See you all
> Friday evening...
>
> Jeff - Baby Blue
>
>
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