---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/31/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:26 AM - Re: North Weald Fly In (Steve Pitt) 2. 01:09 AM - FW: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/30/08 (David Corbett) 3. 02:22 AM - Re: North Weald Fly In (Paul Mitchell) 4. 02:33 AM - Laddingford (Steven Pitt) 5. 06:38 AM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (C Richardson) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: Rough River (Rman) 7. 10:20 AM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (josok) 8. 11:17 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Jos_Okhuisen? (Carl Pattinson) 9. 02:52 PM - Re: Jos Okhuisen (David Joyce) 10. 04:04 PM - Rough River (Fred Klein) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:39 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In =======AVGMAIL-48BA47410000=======-- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:38 AM PST US From: "David Corbett" Subject: Europa-List: FW: Europa-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 08/30/08 David, Very many thanks to you, Marion and Peter for an excellent day yesterday - your airfield was in superb condition and clearly all your efforts were well rewarded. I am sorry that I had to get back to EGBS for an evening appointment, otherwise I would have offered to fly some of your visitors. Please can you tell us how you managed to arrange the right weather for the right day - well done and thank you. I got home to find a bridegromm strapping his bride, in her bridal dress, into the open cockpit of his Pietenpol Aircamper to fly her to, rather than away from, their reception. Now that was style!!! Best wishes to you all, David --------------------------- From: "David Watts" Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In No Bob, it should be me that is sorry for our "undulations". I spend an inordinate amount of time at the aerodrome getting it into the condition that is, but I obviously need to consider seriously increasing my effort. (To give you some idea though, Marion and me have been averaging 12 hours a day at the field for the last 5 days getting it all ready for today). Luckily the 6 trike Europas and many more monwheels that managed to attend our event did a sterling job of giving air experience flights to the many visitors that we had at the field. I did 6 flights myself during the day and I know that several did more than that. In fact it was extremely busy at times with a queue at the hold and a good number in the circuit. We done and thank you to all those who came and did us proud. The Europa Club AGM also went well but I am sure that will be reported elsewhere in more depth. David Watts Laddingford Aerodrome Manager. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:22:33 AM PST US From: "Paul Mitchell" Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In David, I was one of two Tecnams that flew in yesterday and although we missed the BBQ as Brian's original invite mail said AGM followed by the BBQ, we had a great afternoon out in glorious sunshine although a little challenging in the bright conditions going home to the west. As for the strip,Really nice layout and well manicured. I did not realise it was considered a problem till I saw the mails. Again, Many thanks Paul Mitchell and Mary Thompson G-TESR Robin Mincik G-CEVM ----- Original Message ----- From: rick To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 12:34 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In Hi Dave Thanks for a great afternoon at Laddingford. The strip is now a joy to behold and one that you can be justly proud of. North Weald fly in was also great but does not have the style and beauty that you guys have managed to create. All the best Rick G-RIKS XS Trike G-RMRV RV Trike ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts Sent: 30 August 2008 23:18 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In No Bob, it should be me that is sorry for our "undulations". I spend an inordinate amount of time at the aerodrome getting it into the condition that is, but I obviously need to consider seriously increasing my effort. (To give you some idea though, Marion and me have been averaging 12 hours a day at the field for the last 5 days getting it all ready for today). Luckily the 6 trike Europas and many more monwheels that managed to attend our event did a sterling job of giving air experience flights to the many visitors that we had at the field. I did 6 flights myself during the day and I know that several did more than that. In fact it was extremely busy at times with a queue at the hold and a good number in the circuit. We done and thank you to all those who came and did us proud. The Europa Club AGM also went well but I am sure that will be reported elsewhere in more depth. David Watts Laddingford Aerodrome Manager. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 8:49 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In Sorry David, My trike can=92t handle the =93undulations=94! OTHERWISE I=92D BE DELIGHTED. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Watts Sent: 30 August 2008 07:57 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In Nice to hear you are going to enjoy yourselves at North Weald. Don't like to join us at the Europa Club Fly-in at Laddingford just 30 miles away on the same day then? Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert C Harrison To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 9:54 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In Hi! Rick/all Hope to be with you at North Weald Saturday. Regards Bob Harrison Do not archive. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rick Sent: 28 August 2008 15:57 To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: North Weald Fly In The RV crowd are holding a Fly in at North Weald this weekend with 70 + RV's already booked to arrive. If anyone fancies joining our fellow build travellers then I' sure they will give you a warm welcome as they have me whenever I pitched up at an RV gathering in my Europa whilst building my RV. PPR North Weald and read the book before setting off but don't mention the price of Avgas to anyone! If anyone is there for the Saturday evening barbecue Dave Broom will buy you a drink. With Paddy away in the sun it might be an interesting DOTH! I'll be there on Saturday most of the day. Rick Morris G-RIKS XS Tri Gear D-RMRV RV7A Can't bear to sell either as both are brilliant in their own ways. 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It might help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar situation. Regards John. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Joyce" Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen > > > Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I spent > a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in > reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a > boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and > positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover. > His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing > well. > We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the > propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's > description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to > cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch > to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he > lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference. The > land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get down > more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a power > cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane then > fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not lost > consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!), and > was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower > legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch) > His address for those who want to send best wishes is: > Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor > Grieskirchener Strasse 42 > 4600 Wels, Austria > Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:30 AM PST US From: Rman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Rough River Hi, gang, At present, Mary and I are battening down the hatches for Gustov. Hope this thing comes and goes, quickly. Don't know if we'll have power by tomorrow, this time, but will stay in touch as long as possible. Still planning on driving to Rough River. See you all Friday evening... Jeff - Baby Blue ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen From: "josok" Hi John, Just a short reply. Tomorrow the internet here should be repaired then more. It was a Woodcomp RS 3000 with reverse. Regards Jos Okhuijsen Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:24 AM PST US From: "Carl Pattinson" Subject: Europa-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_Jos_Okhuisen? X-mailer: iAVMailScanner 1.5.4.5 http://www.europaowners.org/modules/gallery/album206/Ivan_ja_Jos_4 http://www.europaowners.org/modules/gallery/Instument-panel/IMG_0001_001 Asssuming it is the same as the one initially installed, the prop is a Wooscomp SR3000 with a Smart Avionics controller with a reverse pitch switch. We are about to install the same (minus reverse or feathering option). Checking through the prop and controller manual it would seem that correctly installed it is virtually impossible for the blades to go outside the normal operating range (16.2 - 29.2 degrees) . The blades have cams and microswitches that cut off the current if the limits are exceeded and there is a second cutoff microswitch which will operate in the unlikely event the primary switch fails (ie:short circuits). Of course switches can work their way loose Im not sure how the reverse pitch option affects the above. Not sure you can prepare100% for an equipment malfunction - pretty much the same as an engine failure - fly the aircraft and get it down in one piece (if you can). ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Richardson" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen > > > > David, > Do you know what type of propellor Jos had fitted to his aircraft? It > might help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar > situation. > Regards > John. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Joyce" > To: "Europa list" > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen > > >> >> >> Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I >> spent a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in >> reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a >> boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and >> positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover. >> His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing >> well. >> We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the >> propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's >> description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to >> cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch >> to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he >> lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference. >> The land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get >> down more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a >> power cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane >> then fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not >> lost consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!), >> and was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower >> legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch) >> His address for those who want to send best wishes is: >> Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor >> Grieskirchener Strasse 42 >> 4600 Wels, Austria >> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> >> > > > _______________________________________ > No viruses found in this incoming message > Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 > http://www.iolo.com > _______________________________________ No viruses found in this outgoing message Scanned by iolo AntiVirus 1.5.4.5 http://www.iolo.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:52:47 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen John, As Jos has already commented, he had a Woodcomp SR3000 with Smart Avionics controller, (as did both Mark Burton and I on the same trip). The difference is that he had an optional reverse option. As a purely personal view, it appears to me that something went wrong with the wiring of the reverse system, and I would certainly review the sense of operating a reversible prop until the authorities have reported on their conclusions. On the other hand, having spent a lot of time talking to Jos, looking at the wreckage with the Austrian AAIB guy and discussing things with him, and talking things over with Mark Burton, Conrad Beale and Andy Draper at the LAA, I have no qualms about carrying on with my Woodcomp SR3000 and Smart Avionics controller. Regards, David ----- Original Message ----- From: "C Richardson" Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen > > > David, > Do you know what type of propellor Jos had fitted to his aircraft? It > might help those with the same propellor to be prepared for a similar > situation. > Regards > John. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Joyce" > To: "Europa list" > Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 6:33 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Jos Okhuisen > > >> >> >> Just back from Wels in Austria where Bruce Morris, Mark Burton and I >> spent a fair bit of time with Jos following his recent accident. He is in >> reasonable spirits and making good progress medically. He looks like a >> boxer who picked the wrong opponent, but is marvellously cheerful and >> positive to talk to, and there seems real hope that his eye will recover. >> His burnt areas that have been grafted with artificial skin are healing >> well. >> We saw the wreckage of the plane and it appeared that the >> propeller was in zero pitch or possibly negative. This fits with Jos's >> description of events, that he climbed normally to 800ft, changed to >> cruise mode, realised he had that set at too low rpm and decreased pitch >> to bring rpm up to 5000 but then the engine speed rose above 6000 and he >> lost thrust, and all attempts to change pitch then made no difference. >> The land ahead area was heavily built up and he did a great job to get >> down more or less in one piece. He initially aimed for a road but saw a >> power cable at the last moment and swerved to land in a tree. The plane >> then fell out of the tree and in short time caught fire, but he had not >> lost consciousness (he says it is because Laplanders have thick heads!), >> and was able to get out pretty quickly, suffering burns to just his lower >> legs, and trauma around his right eye (?due to a branch) >> His address for those who want to send best wishes is: >> Klinicum Wels, Traumatology, 1st Floor >> Grieskirchener Strasse 42 >> 4600 Wels, Austria >> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:04:50 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rough River From: Fred Klein RR gang, Since I have a non-refundable airline ticket to Louisville, I'll be there irrespective of the weather (well, that may be a stretch). I do hope that somebody is flying in in their baby since I've shipped ahead a set of wing root fairings for show and tell. I see Gustav's track curving westward, away from KY. Fred A194 On Sunday, Aug 31, 2008, at 09:48 US/Pacific, Rman wrote: > > Hi, gang, > > At present, Mary and I are battening down the hatches for Gustov. > Hope this thing comes and goes, quickly. Don't know if we'll have > power by tomorrow, this time, but will stay in touch as long as > possible. Still planning on driving to Rough River. See you all > Friday evening... > > Jeff - Baby Blue > > -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.