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1. 01:42 AM - Re: A very lucky escape from power lines (zwakie)
2. 02:07 AM - Re: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper (Peter Jeffers)
3. 02:53 AM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (G-IANI)
4. 03:19 AM - FW: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER (G-IANI)
5. 05:37 AM - Re: Return air vents and nose gear holes (TELEDYNMCS@aol.com)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper (Rob Housman)
7. 08:40 AM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
9. 01:02 PM - Keep on building! (Raimo Toivio)
10. 01:50 PM - Re: Keep on building! (Rob Housman)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (Frans Veldman)
12. 02:20 PM - emergency exits [was: Re: Jos Okhuisen] (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
13. 03:12 PM - Re: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER (Ray)
14. 05:22 PM - Re: Keep on building! (Peter Zutrauen)
15. 05:40 PM - For Sale (Bob Berube)
16. 06:20 PM - Re: For Sale (Fred Klein)
17. 09:39 PM - Re: emergency exits [was: Re: Jos Okhuisen] (Ralph K. Hallett III)
18. 10:47 PM - Re: For Sale (Richard Sementilli)
19. 11:32 PM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (Steve Pitt)
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| Subject: | Re: A very lucky escape from power lines |
It appears that this Europa is up for sale: [url]http://pilots24.com/pilots24/markt24/showad.php?adid=12913&catid=7[/url]
>From those who don't speak German, the add roughly states: "For sale due to powerline
incident: Europa Classic TriGear with Rotax 912 80BHP. Wings damaged from
recovering. Prop damaged"
Might be an opportunity for those looking for a restoration-project...
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper |
Hi Rob,
I know what you mean about trying to remove the pin that locates the the
friction plate since I had to remove it to do a completely different job. I
am rather confused however since in the instructions for Mod 59 that I
followed there is no requirement to remove this pin anyway. In fact for the
friction damper to continue working correctly this pin must most definitely
remain in place.
Somewhat confused by your question
Pete Jeffers
G-BVIZ 1300 hrs and climbing
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 09 September 2008 21:49
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
This "highly recommended" mod is simplicity itself to install except for
what we colonials would refer to as typical English understatement, when the
procedure says to "remove the pin which locates into the friction plate"
without any suggestion as to how to accomplish this.
First, having assumed that a lack of guidance meant that the pin is easily
removed, I tried to grip the pin with my fingers. OK, so the pin fits a bit
snugly. Next I tried ordinary pliers. No success. Time to bring on the
heavy lifting equipment in the form of those old reliable Vice-Grip pliers.
Hmmm, that managed to damage the pin but it is still firmly in place.
Now it was time to get a bit clever, so I drilled a hole in the pin and
tapped it, put a stainless steel screw into the hole and pulled on it.
Nothing moved, so it was time to start using some brute force, a jack screw.
I fabricated a short tube that I put over the pin and used the screw to pull
the pin against closed end of the tube. The screw broke. OK, no problem,
just put a nut onto the screw to do the same thing. That pulled the
remaining length of the screw out of the hole, stripping the threads in the
pin which had still not moved one micron.
With nothing left on which to grip the pin I finally got smart and
fabricated a spacer to cover the pin.
These Mods are such fun!
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
4:58 AM
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| Subject: | Cabin vent - air outlet? |
Frans
Karl has made reference to my vent mod. I have tidied up the documentation
a little and it is attached. I do not suggest it is the right solution
rather an experiment. So far I have not made the time to do any detailed
measurements.
I have never detected air moving in or out round my door seals.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
Sent: 09 September 2008 22:56
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin vent - air outlet?
--> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Thanks for the answers. I'm building a tri-gear by the way. As air inputs I
have a scoop in the top (in the closed position it is completely level with
the fuselage), windows with a vent opening, and these ACS "ultimate vents"
just below the instrument panel. I guess this is enough for air vents.
The general consensus seams to be that the doors will function as an air
exit. I'm not to happy with that, for I try to keep them into their intended
shape (have some aluminium bar rivited in to discourage them from bulging
out) and using them as an exit will probably generate some noise. Good idea
that the area above the wing will be low pressure, I could maybe make some
gills in the bagage bay just above the wing. Anything that enters via the
flap slots will find a quick way out then as well.
Frans
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER |
Old Sarum Europa Fly In
Saturday September 13, 2008
Free Landing for Europas, Fuel available
Come and meet the two resident Europas
see Mod 64B (High Top with lowered cowl and bigger screen)
Non Flying builders and potential owners Welcome
This year we have invited the local Scouts and would hope to provide some
air experience flights.
(Pilots must have 100 hours and 25 on type)
If you plan (weather permitting) to attend please contact
Ian Rickard on 01483 714096 or e-mail (g-iani <mailto:g-iani@ntlworld.com>
@ntlworld.com)
By letting me know we can organise reserved Tables for Lunch (or Barbeque
depending on numbers)
Please indicate if you could provide an experience flight
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Return air vents and nose gear holes |
Hello Fran and all,
I installed "Ultimate Ventilators" below my panel in N245E where the Europa
supplied NACA vents would normally go. I love 'em! You get a nice blast of air
from them both on the ground and in the air. I also have 3 "eyeball" vents
installed in my overhead panel which are fed from a NACA vent installed on
the right side of the vertical fin. The eyeball vents work very well at flight
speeds, but don't offer much on the ground. Well worth the effort for cooling
things off in flight here in the SE USA, though.
I used one of these _http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5228&cs=1_
(http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5228&cs=1) for my return air vent. I
used the oval shaped one shown on this page. Mine is mounted in the lower part
of the "D" panel. It looks nice, too.
FWIW, LS, a major German glider manufacturer, recently released a return air
modification designed to be used on their gliders that adds 2 full
(measured) glide points in performance. This increase in performance is achieved
because of the drag reduction this mod provides by channeling the exiting airflow
from the cockpit through a low drag plenum. Haven't seen one yet, but one of
our customers has ordered the mod and intends on having us install it once it
arrives. Once I figure out what they are doing I'll report it to the group.
My guess is they capture the air exiting the cockpit and duct it to exit the
fuselage at a point where the air is disturbed (like at the wing root or
near the tail wheel) This is a fairly common arrangement on racing sailplanes
for reducing the overall drag picture. Apparently, allowing the cockpit air to
find it's way out through the tail boom causes a lot of drag because of all
the various bulkheads and assorted hardware it must pass through along the way.
Regarding what Bud said about the nose gear hole, I built a removable
fireproof bulkhead in my tunnel, aft of the nose gear hole, to allow the nose
gear
hole to be used for exit cooling flow as Bud describes. I'm running a Jabiru
3300 (not exactly known for being a cool running engine) and I've not had the
issues others have had with cooling the Jab. The main issues with cooling
I've had have had more to do with cooling balance from one side of the engine
to the other, but I've got that sorted out now thanks to a variety of changes
I've made in Jabiru's stock cooling set up. Even with the nose gear hole and
a fixed pitch prop, I, too, can rip along at 140+ kts if I choose to do so.
I sure hated to miss Rough River this year. I've been fighting a nasty ear
infection for the past week. I seem to be on the mend now (finally) and I hope
to be back in the air by the weekend.
Regards,
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
N245E - Flying
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plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com.
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| Subject: | Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper |
Pete:
It was not a question, but a "heads up" to others who may find the pin
difficult to remove. The procedure
http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2059.pdf involves
using a spacer ring to push the bushing upward, in order to make room for
the o-ring, by using the nose gear fork assembly as a pusher. In performing
this operation that infamous pin would otherwise be in the way so is must be
dealt with in some fashion. Covering the pin turned out to be much easier
than removing it.
And, yes, the pin is required in order for the shimmy damper to actually
damp.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Hi Rob,
I know what you mean about trying to remove the pin that locates the the
friction plate since I had to remove it to do a completely different job. I
am rather confused however since in the instructions for Mod 59 that I
followed there is no requirement to remove this pin anyway. In fact for the
friction damper to continue working correctly this pin must most definitely
remain in place.
Somewhat confused by your question
Pete Jeffers
G-BVIZ 1300 hrs and climbing
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 09 September 2008 21:49
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
This "highly recommended" mod is simplicity itself to install except for
what we colonials would refer to as typical English understatement, when the
procedure says to "remove the pin which locates into the friction plate"
without any suggestion as to how to accomplish this.
First, having assumed that a lack of guidance meant that the pin is easily
removed, I tried to grip the pin with my fingers. OK, so the pin fits a bit
snugly. Next I tried ordinary pliers. No success. Time to bring on the
heavy lifting equipment in the form of those old reliable Vice-Grip pliers.
Hmmm, that managed to damage the pin but it is still firmly in place.
Now it was time to get a bit clever, so I drilled a hole in the pin and
tapped it, put a stainless steel screw into the hole and pulled on it.
Nothing moved, so it was time to start using some brute force, a jack screw.
I fabricated a short tube that I put over the pin and used the screw to pull
the pin against closed end of the tube. The screw broke. OK, no problem,
just put a nut onto the screw to do the same thing. That pulled the
remaining length of the screw out of the hole, stripping the threads in the
pin which had still not moved one micron.
With nothing left on which to grip the pin I finally got smart and
fabricated a spacer to cover the pin.
These Mods are such fun!
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
9/9/2008 4:58 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
After consulting with EA2004 about any possible strength issues (none), I
built an air outlet vent on top of the fuselage behind the doors - see
attached photo. This is a low pressure area.
Under the fore part of this vent is a 2 inch hole through the fuselage. I
built a sliding valve under the hole to partially or fully close the
opening. I have, however, during two years of flying never adjusted this
valve from full open, whether in summer time or during the winter, so I
consider it unnecessary to have it. Air flow through the cockpit is instead
controlled only by the fresh air or heater inlets (either ones always open
to some extent).
Svein
LN-SKJ
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| Subject: | Re: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER |
MessageIan,
What state is the grass in ?
Duncan
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: G-IANI
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:19 AM
Subject: FW: Europa-List: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER
Old Sarum Europa Fly In
Saturday September 13, 2008
Free Landing for Europas, Fuel available
Come and meet the two resident Europas
see Mod 64B (High Top with lowered cowl and bigger screen)
Non Flying builders and potential owners Welcome
This year we have invited the local Scouts and would hope to provide
some air experience flights.
(Pilots must have 100 hours and 25 on type)
If you plan (weather permitting) to attend please contact
Ian Rickard on 01483 714096 or e-mail (g-iani@ntlworld.com)
By letting me know we can organise reserved Tables for Lunch (or
Barbeque depending on numbers)
Please indicate if you could provide an experience flight
Ian Rickard #505 G-IANI XS Trigear
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Keep on building! |
Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old uncle, who is a
still operative hearth surgeon.
We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an average speed
126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW was near my MTOW 1450 lbs
/658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a young man again,
flying should be a big part of his life. Tower men/women regularly call my
Europa in radio "speedy little experimental". What a wonderful machine She is!
Those who are building - keep on that mode with stamina - the fruit will be more
than suberb.
Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT, 87 hrs & 187 monolandings.
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| Subject: | Keep on building! |
Congratulations, Raimo, on the two page article (with photos) about your
Europa in the latest EAA Sport Aviation magazine. Nice airplane!
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:17 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Keep on building!
Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old uncle, who
is a still operative hearth surgeon.
We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an average
speed 126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW was near my MTOW
1450 lbs /658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a young man
again, flying should be a big part of his life. Tower men/women regularly
call my Europa in radio "speedy little experimental". What a wonderful
machine She is!
Those who are building - keep on that mode with stamina - the fruit will be
more than suberb.
Raimo from Finland
OH-XRT, 87 hrs & 187 monolandings.
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
[quote:9df425b733="g-iani"]Frans
Karl has made reference to my vent mod. I have tidied up the documentation
a little and it is attached. I do not suggest it is the right solution
rather an experiment. So far I have not made the time to do any detailed
measurements.
-----[/quote:9df425b733]
I like this mod. Looks like a low drag solution and very effective, provided that
the stern post is a low pressure area indeed. I'm going to try this, if it
doesn't work very well I have not made any modification to the exterior of the
airplane, so I can easily undo it. It doesn't take much to implement this.
Another mod could be to make this opening, but without the hose. This might reduce
the pressure in the rear fuselage, keepiing the exhaust fumes away from the
cockpit, and a vent in the D-panel will then also work better.
Frans
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: emergency exits [was: Re: Jos Okhuisen] |
At 2008-09-04 22:43 +0000 Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:
>Regarding the RV that flipped on to its back at Fishburn recently,
>the pilot commented that he would have preferred to have had a small
>2lb axe to have been able to get out. It was the rescuers that
>enabled exit through the broken canopy. He considered that the small
>"lifesaver" hammers were a complete waste of time.
Duncan - sorry to be so late responding to this - your mail was
timestamped as 1988 which meant it was hidden behind a few thousand
others in my mailbox; looks like you need to fix the date & time
(and-or the keep-alive battery) on your machine.
The lifesaver hammers are intended to break safety glass as found in
cars; they are not designed to be effective on the acrylic
transparencies typically found in light aeroplanes. The best way to
break an acrylic window is to try drilling a hole in it and fitting a
rivet!
regards
Rowland
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| 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail <rowil@clara.net>
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| Subject: | Re: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER |
Hi Duncan & Ami
Re the airfield condition - No problems at all on Monday 8th when I flew
from Fairoaks to Old Sarum in a tri gear Aero AT3. And the AT3 can be
very fussy, unlike the Europa that I fly/travel right hand seat in (with
Rick Morris G-RIKS).
Ray Wren
----------------------------------------------
On Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:05:52 +0100, "Duncan & Ami McFadyean"
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk> said:
> MessageIan,
> What state is the grass in ?
>
> Duncan
> do not archive
--
Ray
raymondwren@fastmail.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Keep on building! |
Wow, that works out to almost 36 miles/imperial gallon - impressive!
(unless I made a mistake)
That is an insparational story - maybe I *will* start putting those parts
sitting in my garage into tighter formation this fall after all :-)
(and I'm still eagerly awaiting my issue of Sport Aviation to envy Ramio's
handywork)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
(still just a pile of parts)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
>
> Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
>
> Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old uncle, who
> is a still operative hearth surgeon.
> We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an average
> speed 126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW was near my MTOW
> 1450 lbs /658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
>
> After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a young man
> again, flying should be a big part of his life. Tower men/women regularly
> call my Europa in radio "speedy little experimental". What a wonderful
> machine She is!
>
> Those who are building - keep on that mode with stamina - the fruit will be
> more than suberb.
>
> Raimo from Finland
> OH-XRT, 87 hrs & 187 monolandings.
>
>
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Europa Group,
Flight Crafters has some items that have come up for sale.
914 Turbo Engine-10 hours total time....save thousands over
current prices
Mono Classic Kit, wings and control surfaces glassed, XS
quick build cockpit module
Please contact me by phone or off list for detailed information on the above
items.
Bob Berube
Flight Crafters
40417 Chancey Rd. Unit 102
Zephyrhills, FL. 33542
813 779-1156 Office
813 695-1120 Cell
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> Flight Crafters has some items that have come up for sale.
>
> 914 Turbo Engine-10 hours total time
Hey Bob,
Thanks for the post...and what price might that be?
Any particulars as to completeness? Is there a Europa-mount? Exhaust?
Fred
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| Subject: | Re: emergency exits [was: Re: Jos Okhuisen] |
The AOPA seminar a few years back on how to survive a crash was great.
They asked what the fire extinguisher was for and everyone gave the
obvious question.
The speaker said "no, it's useless for almost all fires you're likely to
encounter in flight. Use it to spray on the plexiglass to freeze it and
then use it to hammer your way out through the window".
Rowland & Wilma Carson wrote:
> <rowil@clara.net>
>
> At 2008-09-04 22:43 +0000 Duncan & Ami McFadyean wrote:
>
>> Regarding the RV that flipped on to its back at Fishburn recently,
>> the pilot commented that he would have preferred to have had a small
>> 2lb axe to have been able to get out. It was the rescuers that
>> enabled exit through the broken canopy. He considered that the small
>> "lifesaver" hammers were a complete waste of time.
>
> Duncan - sorry to be so late responding to this - your mail was
> timestamped as 1988 which meant it was hidden behind a few thousand
> others in my mailbox; looks like you need to fix the date & time
> (and-or the keep-alive battery) on your machine.
>
> The lifesaver hammers are intended to break safety glass as found in
> cars; they are not designed to be effective on the acrylic
> transparencies typically found in light aeroplanes. The best way to
> break an acrylic window is to try drilling a hole in it and fitting a
> rivet!
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
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Hi Bob,
Just curious...how much for the engine?
Best,
Richard
On 9/11/08, Bob Berube <bberube@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Europa Group,
>
>
> Flight Crafters has some items that have come up for sale.
>
>
> 914 Turbo Engine-10 hours total time=85=85=85=85save thou
sands over
> current prices
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
I have fitted Ian's mod and it also appears to work as I do not have the
tugging shirtsleeves from the doors. My only comment about positioning is
that if you go below the 'd' in the bulkhead, if you travel any distance
with luggage this blocks the outlet. The positioning is a compromise.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
----- Original Message -----
From: "G-IANI" <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Cabin vent - air outlet?
> Frans
>
> Karl has made reference to my vent mod. I have tidied up the
> documentation
> a little and it is attached. I do not suggest it is the right solution
> rather an experiment. So far I have not made the time to do any detailed
> measurements.
>
> I have never detected air moving in or out round my door seals.
>
> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frans Veldman
> Sent: 09 September 2008 22:56
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin vent - air outlet?
>
> --> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> Thanks for the answers. I'm building a tri-gear by the way. As air inputs
> I
> have a scoop in the top (in the closed position it is completely level
> with
> the fuselage), windows with a vent opening, and these ACS "ultimate vents"
> just below the instrument panel. I guess this is enough for air vents.
>
> The general consensus seams to be that the doors will function as an air
> exit. I'm not to happy with that, for I try to keep them into their
> intended
> shape (have some aluminium bar rivited in to discourage them from bulging
> out) and using them as an exit will probably generate some noise. Good
> idea
> that the area above the wing will be low pressure, I could maybe make some
> gills in the bagage bay just above the wing. Anything that enters via the
> flap slots will find a quick way out then as well.
>
> Frans
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
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