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1. 01:17 AM - Re: Keep on building! (Kingsley Hurst)
2. 01:38 AM - Re: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER (G-IANI)
3. 01:44 AM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (G-IANI)
4. 02:06 AM - Re: Keep on building! (Raimo Toivio)
5. 02:50 AM - Re: Keep on building! (William Harrison)
6. 03:03 AM - Jos is coming back! (Raimo Toivio)
7. 03:17 AM - Re: Keep on building! (Raimo Toivio)
8. 04:04 AM - Re: Keep on building! (Robert C Harrison)
9. 04:39 AM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (Christoph Both)
10. 05:23 AM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (ALAN YERLY)
11. 06:05 AM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (ALAN YERLY)
12. 06:40 AM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (Robert C Harrison)
13. 09:33 AM - Re: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper (Peter Jeffers)
14. 10:02 AM - Re: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper (Rob Housman)
15. 12:12 PM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (karelvranken)
16. 12:12 PM - Re: For Sale (bberube@tampabay.rr.com)
17. 01:21 PM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (Frans Veldman)
18. 01:25 PM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (Frans Veldman)
19. 02:21 PM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
20. 02:33 PM - Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? (Sidsel & Svein Johnsen)
21. 02:59 PM - Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) (ALAN YERLY)
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| Subject: | Re: Keep on building! |
>What a wonderful machine She is!
>
> Those who are building - keep on that mode with stamina - the fruit will
> be more than suberb.
Raimo,
Your enthusiasm is infectious. . . . I'm presently sanding, sanding and
sanding in the hope that one day I will find out if you are telling the
truth ! and guess what ? I am building up plenty of stamina in the
meantime !
Best regards
Kingsley in Oz
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| Subject: | Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER |
Over the winter the runway was moved South. This let the grass recover and
they did a lot of filling and rolling. It has now been moved back to the
original position and the hump on 24 has gone. It is much better than say
Compton Abbas. Water wise OS drains very quickly so should be OK Saturday.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami
McFadyean
Sent: 10 September 2008 20:06
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Old Sarum Fly in REMINDER
Ian,
What state is the grass in ?
Duncan
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| Subject: | Cabin vent - air outlet? |
Frans
>I like this mod. Looks like a low drag solution and very effective,
provided that the stern post is a low pressure area indeed. I'm going to try
this, if it doesn't work very well I have not made any modification to the
exterior of the airplane, so I can easily undo it. It doesn't take much to
implement this.<
Yes that was my thinking
>Another mod could be to make this opening, but without the hose. This might
reduce the pressure in the rear fuselage, keepiing the exhaust fumes away
from the cockpit, and a vent in the D-panel will then also work better.<
Yes we have tried this and it does make a difference. As I said we have not
had time to do detailed measurements.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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| Subject: | Re: Keep on building! |
Thanks Pete and go to your shop!
Do every single day or night something, even minor things!
Keep on building mode!
Soon it will be one of the most important things in your mind day and
night.
Like a positive drug - soon you cannot live with out it!
(I tried but became very sick and my wife pushed me back to the
workshop)
Years will go and your baby will grow upp, step by step, almost by
itself.
Until one magic moment you will notice there is more already done than
there is still left to do.
117 liters /804 nm (= 117 liters /1487 km)
26 imp g /923 miles
1 imp g /36 miles correct ./.
That is also 7,7 liters /100 km which is like a small car w speed 60 mph
= 96 kmh)
Yes- it is extremely fun but also ecological and economical way to move
from A to B.
The most important factor for me is also its safety:
I am out of those crowded narrow highways and streets
which are full of other all-not-so-good-drivers. Among them there are
also
drunks and idiots and what so ever like slippery surface roadworks.
When airborne - it depends you only (almost)!
And airspace in Finland is almost unlimited.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Zutrauen
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keep on building!
Wow, that works out to almost 36 miles/imperial gallon - impressive!
(unless I made a mistake)
That is an insparational story - maybe I *will* start putting those
parts sitting in my garage into tighter formation this fall after all
:-)
(and I'm still eagerly awaiting my issue of Sport Aviation to envy
Ramio's handywork)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
(still just a pile of parts)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
<raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old
uncle, who is a still operative hearth surgeon.
We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an
average speed 126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW was
near my MTOW 1450 lbs /658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a
young man again, flying should be a big part of his life. Tower
men/women regularly call my Europa in radio "speedy little
experimental". What a wonderful machine She is!
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| Subject: | Re: Keep on building! |
Golly, Raimo. Does your wife have any sisters?
Willie
On 11 Sep 2008, at 10:21, Raimo Toivio wrote:
> Thanks Pete and go to your shop!
> Do every single day or night something, even minor things!
> Keep on building mode!
> Soon it will be one of the most important things in your mind day
> and night.
> Like a positive drug - soon you cannot live with out it!
> (I tried but became very sick and my wife pushed me back to the
> workshop)
> Years will go and your baby will grow upp, step by step, almost by
> itself.
> Until one magic moment you will notice there is more already done
> than there is still left to do.
>
> 117 liters /804 nm (= 117 liters /1487 km)
>
> 26 imp g /923 miles
>
> 1 imp g /36 miles correct ./.
>
> That is also 7,7 liters /100 km which is like a small car w speed
> 60 mph = 96 kmh)
>
> Yes- it is extremely fun but also ecological and economical way to
> move from A to B.
> The most important factor for me is also its safety:
> I am out of those crowded narrow highways and streets
> which are full of other all-not-so-good-drivers. Among them there
> are also
> drunks and idiots and what so ever like slippery surface roadworks.
> When airborne - it depends you only (almost)!
> And airspace in Finland is almost unlimited.
>
> Raimo
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Zutrauen
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keep on building!
>
> Wow, that works out to almost 36 miles/imperial gallon -
> impressive! (unless I made a mistake)
>
> That is an insparational story - maybe I *will* start putting those
> parts sitting in my garage into tighter formation this fall after
> all :-)
>
> (and I'm still eagerly awaiting my issue of Sport Aviation to envy
> Ramio's handywork)
>
> Cheers,
> Pete
> A239
> (still just a pile of parts)
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
> wrote:
> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>
> Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
>
> Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old
> uncle, who is a still operative hearth surgeon.
> We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an
> average speed 126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW
> was near my MTOW 1450 lbs /658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
>
> After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a
> young man again, flying should be a big part of his life. Tower men/
> women regularly call my Europa in radio "speedy little
> experimental". What a wonderful machine She is!
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> www.matronhref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://
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| Subject: | Jos is coming back! |
All
Joss recovery has been impressive and he is just NOW packing in Austria
and will fly (by Finnair) to Helsinki today. Later he will move to his home Ivalo
Lappland.
He has decided to fly as a P1 again and I am sure he will do it.
So - somebody there - do you have an extra plane or even Europa for Jos? ;)
It is so lonely to have an only Europa in the country (one make one plane DOTHs).
Raimo from Finland
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| Subject: | Re: Keep on building! |
Only one brother sorry and even he married couple of weeks ago, sorry
;)
Do you accept her (female) cousins?
They are impressive with all the human factors out and in.
Raimo
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----- Original Message -----
From: William Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keep on building!
Golly, Raimo. Does your wife have any sisters?
Willie
On 11 Sep 2008, at 10:21, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Thanks Pete and go to your shop!
Do every single day or night something, even minor things!
Keep on building mode!
Soon it will be one of the most important things in your mind day
and night.
Like a positive drug - soon you cannot live with out it!
(I tried but became very sick and my wife pushed me back to the
workshop)
Years will go and your baby will grow upp, step by step, almost by
itself.
Until one magic moment you will notice there is more already done
than there is still left to do.
117 liters /804 nm (= 117 liters /1487 km)
26 imp g /923 miles
1 imp g /36 miles correct ./.
That is also 7,7 liters /100 km which is like a small car w speed 60
mph = 96 kmh)
Yes- it is extremely fun but also ecological and economical way to
move from A to B.
The most important factor for me is also its safety:
I am out of those crowded narrow highways and streets
which are full of other all-not-so-good-drivers. Among them there
are also
drunks and idiots and what so ever like slippery surface roadworks.
When airborne - it depends you only (almost)!
And airspace in Finland is almost unlimited.
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Zutrauen
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keep on building!
Wow, that works out to almost 36 miles/imperial gallon -
impressive! (unless I made a mistake)
That is an insparational story - maybe I *will* start putting
those parts sitting in my garage into tighter formation this fall after
all :-)
(and I'm still eagerly awaiting my issue of Sport Aviation to envy
Ramio's handywork)
Cheers,
Pete
A239
(still just a pile of parts)
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 4:16 PM, Raimo Toivio
<raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:
<raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Builders (and those who are planning to build)!
Today I performanced some X-country flying with my 88-years old
uncle, who is a still operative hearth surgeon.
We had 6 legs, all together 6 hrs 23 minutes and 804 nm, with an
average speed 126 knots, total fuel consumption was 117 litres, TOW was
near my MTOW 1450 lbs /658 kgs (we had some heavy tools w us).
After we both feel very relaxed and my uncle stated if he were a
young man again, flying should be a big part of his life. Tower
men/women regularly call my Europa in radio "speedy little
experimental". What a wonderful machine She is!
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| Subject: | Keep on building! |
Get in the queue, Willie ! I checked that out years ago !
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: 11 September 2008 10:48
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Keep on building!
Golly, Raimo. Does your wife have any sisters?
Willie
On 11 Sep 2008, at 10:21, Raimo Toivio wrote:
Thanks Pete and go to your shop!
Do every single day or night something, even minor things!
Keep on building mode!
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| Subject: | This gaping hole (nose gear) |
Hi Bud:
Can you give, by any chance the order number of the Aircraft Spruce
"firewall material"? There are several choices. Do you perhaps mean the
Stainless Steel mat?
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php>
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php>
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php>
10. FIREWALL 2000 CERAMIC BLANKET
<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php>
This blanket is .250 inch thick, weighs only 9.5 oz/sq. ft. and is
flexible enough to cover compound curves. The heat side of the blanket
is covered with stainless steel, the other side is aluminum It is easy
to rivet or can be glued into position.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000.php
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#223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia Canada
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
Frans,
I didn't see anyone post an answer so take it from a guy who has built
and flown a half dozen Tri=gears.
The hole gives you 100 square inches of air exit, greatly improving
cooling. Maintenance is a snap on the nose. Go to Aircraft Spruce and
use the fire wall material kit to completely fireproof the opening. I
use the firewall material and seal all the edges with stainless just to
dress it up.
As far as the speed penalty, if I can still get 140 kts with a 914 at
75% power at sea level with a tri-gear. I don't see a down side. I've
flown other tri-gears with the standard firewall and they all have
cooling issues and do not go any faster.
As for me...Leave the hole and run cooler.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
US Europa Dealer
www.customflightcreations.com
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Frans Veldman <mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:57 AM
Subject: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
I'm building a tri-gear, and cut out the bottom of the fuselage
for the nose gear per instructions. Apparently, the idea in the manual
is to leave it as is. What are the aerodynamic properties of this hole?
is it sucking air out of the well, or is it building pressure?
I just closed it, by installing a plate in the nose gear system.
If the nose gear activates the spring, the plate opens with it since it
is attached to the frame. Normally it just blocks off this hole.
Of course I hope that it will be beneficial. Has someone else
been closing this hole as well? If so, was it beneficial?
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) |
Frans, I understand your question now.
I prefer to enclose the bottom, and make a convenient hole about 6X10
inches for access to the now empty wheel cavity. I have made many
cockpit modules with access covers on the top and have still found an
access hole in the bottom convenient for maintenance.
Not to open a bucket of worms, some are concerned about cockpit
stiffness in this area in the event of an accident, and my feeling is an
enclosed bottom, reinforced with 1/8 inch foam and two additional
layers of glass, is a light weight and strong reinforcement for forward
cabin stiffness. Next, I prefer not excessively cut down the module as
the center beam from the engine mount to the floor and sides is somewhat
compromised in the event of a frontal accident. However, if you do,
please do enclose the mono hole and consider extra glass on the flange
for the cover and make the glass flow down the side of the module. I
personally make the cover and flange of about 6 layers to ensure
stiffness. I don't believe in just whacking out the cockpit module and
letting the cockpit sides be your only longitudinal stiffness. The poor
cockpit floor has to accept a lot of stress in the event of an off field
landing in a tri-gear. As the nose wheel digs in, God forbid, the
tendency of the nose to be bent down will buckle the floor with a cut
down module.
As for the firewall, it is time well spent to remove the stainless
firewall and enclose the nose gear duct hole with a light ply bulkhead.
The ply bulkhead will increase cockpit module stiffness in an accident
(as stated above). Put fire shield in the top, back and sides and you
can sleep easy. It makes for a cooler engine compartment, easier gear
inspection and maintenance, and should you need to add a heater off your
oil cooler, it is much easier access. Should you need quick access to
tighten oil cooler lines or look for drips, it's a God send.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Frans Veldman<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
<frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>>
I was referring to the hole in the bottom. It appears you are talking
about the hole between the nose gear and the engine, where we are
supposed to install this stainless firewall thing.
You didn't quite answer my question then, but introduced a new idea
about leaving the firewall out and make a duct out of this well, is this
correct?
Too bad I just installed this stainless thing, AND closed the entire
bottom of the tunnel section, including the part where the nosegear
protrudes to the outside world...
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) |
Chris,
The kit below is just right for the Europa. Put the aluminum on the
inside. I have used other mat insulations and covered it in stainless
sheet. I'm really proud of the stainless one but at three days of
cutting and fitting, I don't recommend it for those who want to save
time. This kit allows you to put the 4 pieces in (2 sides, top and
back). Put the back in first, then cut the sides and top. Ted Coberly
of Flight Crafters showed me a trick of cutting the sheets 1/2 inch
longer where they butt and then trim off the insulation and aluminum
from the back where it overlaps and then wrapping the corners from the
sides and top. Takes a lot more time and planning, but is pretty, and
well sealed. Cut your stainless and make smooth round transitions from
the hole to the fuselage bottom and cover the edges to show off your
craftsmanship.
Reference to A/C Spruce
5. FIREWALL 2000
KIT<http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/firewall2000kit.php>
Contains 24 x48 sheet of Firewall 2000 and one tube of Firewall caulk.
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Custom Flight Creations
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| Subject: | This gaping hole (nose gear) |
Hi! Bud /Frans/all
Since G-PTAG was built as a trike and a potential convertible Mono
wheel later, I have made the bottom panel from the Mono Wheel Well into
a belly plate fixed on flanges and removable but with a hinge across the
aft 6" to access the wheel well and the fuel pipes, fuel switch and
throttle/choke box. Onto the forward section of this belly plate I have
mounted all the fuel module and two mini gascolators. All are now very
accessible and the gascolators can be checked for water etc. Also the
pumps can be heard from the P1 position as a verification both are
running.....eventual mono wheel change ...not by me thanks!. Forward of
the wheel well the trike manual calls for an additional firewall/panel
to box out the wheel well void and suitable flanges need constructing
to fix it in place.
Regards
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ALAN YERLY
Sent: 11 September 2008 13:22
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
Frans, I understand your question now.
I prefer to enclose the bottom, and make a convenient hole about 6X10
inches for access to the now empty wheel cavity. I have made many
cockpit modules with access covers on the top and have still found an
access hole in the bottom convenient for maintenance.
Not to open a bucket of worms, some are concerned about cockpit
stiffness in this area in the event of an accident, and my feeling is an
enclosed bottom, reinforced with 1/8 inch foam and two additional
layers of glass, is a light weight and strong reinforcement for forward
cabin stiffness. Next, I prefer not excessively cut down the module as
the center beam from the engine mount to the floor and sides is somewhat
compromised in the event of a frontal accident. However, if you do,
please do enclose the mono hole and consider extra glass on the flange
for the cover and make the glass flow down the side of the module. I
personally make the cover and flange of about 6 layers to ensure
stiffness. I don't believe in just whacking out the cockpit module and
letting the cockpit sides be your only longitudinal stiffness. The poor
cockpit floor has to accept a lot of stress in the event of an off field
landing in a tri-gear. As the nose wheel digs in, God forbid, the
tendency of the nose to be bent down will buckle the floor with a cut
down module.
As for the firewall, it is time well spent to remove the stainless
firewall and enclose the nose gear duct hole with a light ply bulkhead.
The ply bulkhead will increase cockpit module stiffness in an accident
(as stated above). Put fire shield in the top, back and sides and you
can sleep easy. It makes for a cooler engine compartment, easier gear
inspection and maintenance, and should you need to add a heater off your
oil cooler, it is much easier access. Should you need quick access to
tighten oil cooler lines or look for drips, it's a God send.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
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----- Original Message -----
From: Frans <mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl> Veldman
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
<frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
I was referring to the hole in the bottom. It appears you are talking
about the hole between the nose gear and the engine, where we are
supposed to install this stainless firewall thing.
You didn't quite answer my question then, but introduced a new idea
about leaving the firewall out and make a duct out of this well, is this
correct?
Too bad I just installed this stainless thing, AND closed the entire
bottom of the tunnel section, including the part where the nosegear
protrudes to the outside world...
Frans
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| Subject: | Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper |
Hi Rob,
I Just put the spacer ring on top of the plastic friction disc (still fitted
over the offending pin) and the pulled the bush up into its new position.
Done !!
Best regards
Pete
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 10 September 2008 15:58
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Pete:
It was not a question, but a "heads up" to others who may find the pin
difficult to remove. The procedure
http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2059.pdf involves
using a spacer ring to push the bushing upward, in order to make room for
the o-ring, by using the nose gear fork assembly as a pusher. In performing
this operation that infamous pin would otherwise be in the way so is must be
dealt with in some fashion. Covering the pin turned out to be much easier
than removing it.
And, yes, the pin is required in order for the shimmy damper to actually
damp.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Hi Rob,
I know what you mean about trying to remove the pin that locates the the
friction plate since I had to remove it to do a completely different job. I
am rather confused however since in the instructions for Mod 59 that I
followed there is no requirement to remove this pin anyway. In fact for the
friction damper to continue working correctly this pin must most definitely
remain in place.
Somewhat confused by your question
Pete Jeffers
G-BVIZ 1300 hrs and climbing
_____
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 09 September 2008 21:49
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
This "highly recommended" mod is simplicity itself to install except for
what we colonials would refer to as typical English understatement, when the
procedure says to "remove the pin which locates into the friction plate"
without any suggestion as to how to accomplish this.
First, having assumed that a lack of guidance meant that the pin is easily
removed, I tried to grip the pin with my fingers. OK, so the pin fits a bit
snugly. Next I tried ordinary pliers. No success. Time to bring on the
heavy lifting equipment in the form of those old reliable Vice-Grip pliers.
Hmmm, that managed to damage the pin but it is still firmly in place.
Now it was time to get a bit clever, so I drilled a hole in the pin and
tapped it, put a stainless steel screw into the hole and pulled on it.
Nothing moved, so it was time to start using some brute force, a jack screw.
I fabricated a short tube that I put over the pin and used the screw to pull
the pin against closed end of the tube. The screw broke. OK, no problem,
just put a nut onto the screw to do the same thing. That pulled the
remaining length of the screw out of the hole, stripping the threads in the
pin which had still not moved one micron.
With nothing left on which to grip the pin I finally got smart and
fabricated a spacer to cover the pin.
These Mods are such fun!
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
9/9/2008 4:58 AM
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
6:00 AM
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| Subject: | Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper |
After seeing how little force (virtually none) was required to move the
bushings it was clear that leaving the disc in place would have been fine.
Too bad I didn't think of that at the time.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Hi Rob,
I Just put the spacer ring on top of the plastic friction disc (still fitted
over the offending pin) and the pulled the bush up into its new position.
Done !!
Best regards
Pete
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 10 September 2008 15:58
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Pete:
It was not a question, but a "heads up" to others who may find the pin
difficult to remove. The procedure
http://www.europa-aircraft.biz/pdfs/modifications/Mod%2059.pdf involves
using a spacer ring to push the bushing upward, in order to make room for
the o-ring, by using the nose gear fork assembly as a pusher. In performing
this operation that infamous pin would otherwise be in the way so is must be
dealt with in some fashion. Covering the pin turned out to be much easier
than removing it.
And, yes, the pin is required in order for the shimmy damper to actually
damp.
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Jeffers
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 2:07 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
Hi Rob,
I know what you mean about trying to remove the pin that locates the the
friction plate since I had to remove it to do a completely different job. I
am rather confused however since in the instructions for Mod 59 that I
followed there is no requirement to remove this pin anyway. In fact for the
friction damper to continue working correctly this pin must most definitely
remain in place.
Somewhat confused by your question
Pete Jeffers
G-BVIZ 1300 hrs and climbing
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rob Housman
Sent: 09 September 2008 21:49
Subject: Europa-List: Mod 59 - Nose wheel shimmy damper
This "highly recommended" mod is simplicity itself to install except for
what we colonials would refer to as typical English understatement, when the
procedure says to "remove the pin which locates into the friction plate"
without any suggestion as to how to accomplish this.
First, having assumed that a lack of guidance meant that the pin is easily
removed, I tried to grip the pin with my fingers. OK, so the pin fits a bit
snugly. Next I tried ordinary pliers. No success. Time to bring on the
heavy lifting equipment in the form of those old reliable Vice-Grip pliers.
Hmmm, that managed to damage the pin but it is still firmly in place.
Now it was time to get a bit clever, so I drilled a hole in the pin and
tapped it, put a stainless steel screw into the hole and pulled on it.
Nothing moved, so it was time to start using some brute force, a jack screw.
I fabricated a short tube that I put over the pin and used the screw to pull
the pin against closed end of the tube. The screw broke. OK, no problem,
just put a nut onto the screw to do the same thing. That pulled the
remaining length of the screw out of the hole, stripping the threads in the
pin which had still not moved one micron.
With nothing left on which to grip the pin I finally got smart and
fabricated a spacer to cover the pin.
These Mods are such fun!
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
9/9/2008 4:58 AM
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
9/10/2008 6:00 AM
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
Svein,
You say the area where you placed the outlet is a low pressure area. Are you
sure? Did you measure that pressure? I think when the profile is diminishing
the pressure raises. On that place I have an intake for ventilation and even
in hot days I can't open fully the inlet because the windstream can't be
endured for a long time.
Regards,
Karel Vranken. F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin vent - air outlet?
> After consulting with EA2004 about any possible strength issues (none), I
> built an air outlet vent on top of the fuselage behind the doors - see
> attached photo. This is a low pressure area.
>
> Under the fore part of this vent is a 2 inch hole through the fuselage. I
> built a sliding valve under the hole to partially or fully close the
> opening. I have, however, during two years of flying never adjusted this
> valve from full open, whether in summer time or during the winter, so I
> consider it unnecessary to have it. Air flow through the cockpit is
> instead
> controlled only by the fresh air or heater inlets (either ones always open
> to some extent).
>
> Svein
> LN-SKJ
>
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| Subject: | Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) |
[quote:263eb5746d="Bud Yerly"]<xml><xml><endif> Frans, I understand your question
now.
Not to open a bucket of worms, some are concerned about cockpit stiffness in this
area in the event of an accident, and my feeling is an enclosed bottom, reinforced
with 1/8 inch foam and two additional layers of glass, is a light weight
and strong reinforcement for forward cabin stiffness. Next, I prefer not excessively
cut down the module as the center beam from the engine mount to the
floor and sides is somewhat compromised in the event of a frontal accident.
[/quote:263eb5746d]
I'm not cutting down the cockpit module, I leave it as is. I was talking about
the hole where the nose gears exits the bottom, and the hole you need to have
to allow the gear to extent if the spring (or bungee) stretches. I closed it,
by glassing some plywood under the nosegear assembly. If the spring stretches,
it opens together with the nosewheel frame.
Having made this, I wonder if others have also gone this route, and whether it
indeed is beneficial to do so.
The down side is that your solution, to extent the engine bay in the nosehweel
area, and use the hole as an air exit, is no longer possible. Nice solution by
the way!
I now have the metal firewall in place (its original place) but since I'm going
to redesign the lower cowling anyway it doesn't matter to much.
BTW I'm going to use a propellor with more twist. Besides giving a better cruise
economy, it also provides better cooling. Hope that this will be enough cooling.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
I have fitted Ian's mod and it also appears to work as I do not have the
tugging shirtsleeves from the doors. My only comment about positioning is
that if you go below the 'd' in the bulkhead, if you travel any distance
with luggage this blocks the outlet. The positioning is a compromise.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
-----[/quote:67f80f7028]
I was thinking about putting it in the top of the bulkhead. As I have a hi-top,
there is excess space above this 'D'.
Frans
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| Subject: | Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) |
<<> BTW I'm going to use a propellor with more twist.>>
Which one and how much twist does it have?
Duncan McF.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:20 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
> <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
>
> [quote:263eb5746d="Bud Yerly"]<xml><xml><endif> Frans, I understand your
> question now.
>
> Not to open a bucket of worms, some are concerned about cockpit stiffness
> in this area in the event of an accident, and my feeling is an enclosed
> bottom, reinforced with 1/8 inch foam and two additional layers of glass,
> is a light weight and strong reinforcement for forward cabin stiffness.
> Next, I prefer not excessively cut down the module as the center beam from
> the engine mount to the floor and sides is somewhat compromised in the
> event of a frontal accident.
> [/quote:263eb5746d]
>
> I'm not cutting down the cockpit module, I leave it as is. I was talking
> about the hole where the nose gears exits the bottom, and the hole you
> need to have to allow the gear to extent if the spring (or bungee)
> stretches. I closed it, by glassing some plywood under the nosegear
> assembly. If the spring stretches, it opens together with the nosewheel
> frame.
>
> Having made this, I wonder if others have also gone this route, and
> whether it indeed is beneficial to do so.
>
> The down side is that your solution, to extent the engine bay in the
> nosehweel area, and use the hole as an air exit, is no longer possible.
> Nice solution by the way!
> I now have the metal firewall in place (its original place) but since I'm
> going to redesign the lower cowling anyway it doesn't matter to much.
>
> BTW I'm going to use a propellor with more twist. Besides giving a better
> cruise economy, it also provides better cooling. Hope that this will be
> enough cooling.
>
> Frans
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cabin vent - air outlet? |
Karel,
No, I have not measured the pressure, I relied on what EA2004 said also
about the pressure in this area. I think they were correct, because the air
speed over the top is higher than the airplane's speed through the ambient
air and hence the pressure is lower than the ambient pressure (compare the
fuselage profile to a wing profile - higher speed hence lower pressure on
top of the wing).
All I can say for sure is that the pressure at my vent outlet is lower than
in the cockpit, because air goes out through that vent (I can feel the air
flow by holding my hand under the outlet opening). The air pressure in the
cockpit may be higher than ambient, though, because of the efficient NACA
intakes on both sides (built as per Europa standard). If air comes in
through your vent, it must mean that your cocpit pressure is lower than at
your top vent opening. Where does this air leave your cockpit?
Svein
----- Original Message -----
From: "karelvranken" <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Cabin vent - air outlet?
> <karelvranken@hotmail.com>
>
> Svein,
> You say the area where you placed the outlet is a low pressure area. Are
> you sure? Did you measure that pressure? I think when the profile is
> diminishing the pressure raises. On that place I have an intake for
> ventilation and even in hot days I can't open fully the inlet because the
> windstream can't be endured for a long time.
> Regards,
> Karel Vranken. F-PKRL
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| Subject: | Re: This gaping hole (nose gear) |
Keep on working, as a change in the cowl to increase outflow will negate
the need for the hole.
Bud
Custom Flight Creations
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Frans Veldman<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: This gaping hole (nose gear)
<frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl<mailto:frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>>
[quote:263eb5746d="Bud Yerly"]<xml><xml><endif> Frans, I understand
your question now.
Not to open a bucket of worms, some are concerned about cockpit
stiffness in this area in the event of an accident, and my feeling is an
enclosed bottom, reinforced with 1/8 inch foam and two additional layers
of glass, is a light weight and strong reinforcement for forward cabin
stiffness. Next, I prefer not excessively cut down the module as the
center beam from the engine mount to the floor and sides is somewhat
compromised in the event of a frontal accident.
[/quote:263eb5746d]
I'm not cutting down the cockpit module, I leave it as is. I was
talking about the hole where the nose gears exits the bottom, and the
hole you need to have to allow the gear to extent if the spring (or
bungee) stretches. I closed it, by glassing some plywood under the
nosegear assembly. If the spring stretches, it opens together with the
nosewheel frame.
Having made this, I wonder if others have also gone this route, and
whether it indeed is beneficial to do so.
The down side is that your solution, to extent the engine bay in the
nosehweel area, and use the hole as an air exit, is no longer possible.
Nice solution by the way!
I now have the metal firewall in place (its original place) but since
I'm going to redesign the lower cowling anyway it doesn't matter to
much.
BTW I'm going to use a propellor with more twist. Besides giving a
better cruise economy, it also provides better cooling. Hope that this
will be enough cooling.
Frans
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