---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/15/08: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:36 AM - Re: Starboard spar pin bush (craig bastin) 2. 02:18 AM - Fw: rubber pipe (Herve) 3. 02:31 AM - Re: Fw: rubber pipe (David Joyce) 4. 02:38 AM - Fw: rubber pipe (Herve) 5. 03:02 AM - Re: Fw: rubber pipe (craig bastin) 6. 03:04 AM - rubber pipe (Herve) 7. 03:08 AM - Re: Fw: rubber pipe (Herve) 8. 03:27 AM - Re: Fw: rubber pipe (Gilles Thesee) 9. 04:48 PM - Filling - Control surfaces (Fred Klein) 10. 07:41 PM - Re: Filling - Control surfaces (JEFF ROBERTS) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:40 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Starboard spar pin bush Yes I have them in and it's all fine, I was just thinking a "postive" retention of the spar/pins etc would be safer, and give me more piece of mind, I am probably worrying about nothing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of JR Gowing Sent: Sunday, 14 September 2008 5:38 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starboard spar pin bush Craig when you put in the front and reary lift pins you should be able to have them locate the spar snugly in its place against the cockpit module. JR Bob Gowing UK Kit 327 in Oz Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "raggi6771" Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starboard spar pin bush > > My thought was to leave the front 80% (or so) of the original bushing > in the wing spar and then the nut or threaded plate on the back of the > spar and a tapered thread on the new pin from the 12mm down just enough to > allow a nice lock up of the spar into the seat back. and then set > the clearance with washers in the same way as the port side pip pin. > Looking at the clearance I believe this would be do-able with a small > relief in the starboard quick connect plate to allow the nut/ plate to > slide past. > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > -- > Checked by AVG. > 12/09/2008 2:18 PM > > -- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7:16 AM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:18:29 AM PST US From: Herve Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:16:13 +0100 >To: sales@matronics.com >From: Herve >Subject: rubber pipe > >Does any one know where I could get a rubber pipe ,2 inches in >diameter,and 2 inches in length to fit in my rotax 914.it is the >rubber which fit in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo. >G.CHET 914 >Herve ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:31:22 AM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe Herve, Have you tried Europa? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herve" Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe > > >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:16:13 +0100 >>To: sales@matronics.com >>From: Herve >>Subject: rubber pipe >> >>Does any one know where I could get a rubber pipe ,2 inches in >>diameter,and 2 inches in length to fit in my rotax 914.it is the >>rubber which fit in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo. >>G.CHET 914 >>Herve > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:25 AM PST US From: Herve Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:17:54 +0100 >To: europa-list@matronics.com >From: Herve >Subject: Fwd: rubber pipe > > >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:16:13 +0100 >>To: sales@matronics.com >>From: Herve >>Subject: rubber pipe >> >>Does any one know where I could get a rubber pipe ,2 inches in >>diameter,and 2 inches in length to fit in my rotax 914.it is the >>rubber which fit in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo. >>G.CHET 914 >>Herve ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:11 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe Just a thought, but if you really get stuck, you could cut down a radiator hose from a large car or small truck. Could well be cheaper too craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Herve Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 7:37 PM Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe >Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:17:54 +0100 >To: europa-list@matronics.com >From: Herve >Subject: Fwd: rubber pipe > > >>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:16:13 +0100 >>To: sales@matronics.com >>From: Herve >>Subject: rubber pipe >> >>Does any one know where I could get a rubber pipe ,2 inches in >>diameter,and 2 inches in length to fit in my rotax 914.it is the >>rubber which fit in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo. >>G.CHET 914 >>Herve Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7:16 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:17 AM PST US From: Herve Subject: Europa-List: rubber pipe Does any know where I could get a rubber pipe,2 inches in diameter by 2 inches long.It is to fit in my rotax 914 turbo in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo . G.CHET 914 tri Herve ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:08:05 AM PST US From: Herve Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe Hi David I got the last one from europa,but it only lasted 4 hours.I need a stronger one Regards HerveAt 10:30 15/09/2008, you wrote: > >Herve, Have you tried Europa? Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ >----- Original Message ----- From: "Herve" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:17 AM >Subject: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe > > >> >>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:16:13 +0100 >>>To: sales@matronics.com >>>From: Herve >>>Subject: rubber pipe >>> >>>Does any one know where I could get a rubber pipe ,2 inches in >>>diameter,and 2 inches in length to fit in my rotax 914.it is the >>>rubber which fit in between the carburetor and the air box to the turbo. >>>G.CHET 914 >>>Herve >> >> > > >-- >Release Date: 9/12/2008 2:18 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:27:33 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fwd: rubber pipe Herve a crit : > > I got the last one from europa,but it only lasted 4 hours.I need a > stronger one Herve, It is a part related to the engine manufacturer rather than the airframe manufacturer. Have tried your Rotax importer/dealer ? IIRC the p/n should appear in the parts catalog. Also, for those installing an aftercooler, the exchanger core weight must be adequately supported lest the exchanger or turbo bear the additional weight. Those rubber hoses are very similar to radiator hoses, so in a pinch I would try a radiator/truck store. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:31 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Filling - Control surfaces From: Fred Klein Say guys...if you can take a walk down memory lane with me for a few moments, I'd appreciate some feedback. The other day, while looking for trouble (i.e., a reasonable next step in my build) I set myself up to skim some dry micro to fill the trailing edge depressions where the top and bottom skins are bonded together, thinking that it would be just an afternoon's job which, after cure, would be followed by some block sanding to knock down the high spots, and followed by the application of filler over the entire panels (flaps, ailerons, and trim tabs) to cover the weave. (For this, I'm planning on using Poly-Fiber's SuperFil rather than Expancel.) What I've found however, is that filling those depressions is a bit more of a job than I'd anticipated. Notwithstanding using what I thought was the stiffest possible mix of micro, I find myself with numerous low spots thus requiring 2nd and in some cases 3rd applications of the micro in order to bring those trailing edge depressions up to the plane of the airfoils. Between coats, I've used small bits of 150 grit sandpaper around a forefinger so that the subsequent coat of micro would have a better bond than to simply apply it over the (glossy) low areas. I've been working under the assumption that these trailing edges must be dealt with completely before squeegying on the filler to fill the glass weave over the foam. I've also been careful when knocking down the high spots to not abrade the glass fibers on adjacent areas. Given that each surface has two sides and I've found that the micro must be applied separately to each side (in multiple coats w/ intervening cure cycles), at this point I'm sitting here wondering: - Have I made this more complicated than it need be? - Am I missing something here? Lookin for either reassurance or a cautionary "heads up", Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:54 PM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Filling - Control surfaces Hi Fred, I'm sure others will chime in but my two cents are this. Yes you may be over complicating it. I tried the dry micro in some areas and found it to be too much epoxy or too hard to sand compared to the structure or the expancel. After several attempts such as you are doing I just resigned to roughing everything and applying the expancel thick. Then blocking it all back down with a large block. In the long run it was easier. I can't speak for the Super Fill but others I know love the stuff. For me it was just economics and I had plenty of the expancel so I used it. Put it on thick so only one application is needed. Block it down till you just start to see the weave in spots. If you have any low areas hit them again with a light sand and more fill. Mixing micro with other fill material will only cause more work as they sand at different rates. I hope this helps. Best Regards, Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 150 hours and climbing slowly. On Sep 15, 2008, at 6:47 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > > Say guys...if you can take a walk down memory lane with me for a few > moments, I'd appreciate some feedback. > > The other day, while looking for trouble (i.e., a reasonable next step > in my build) I set myself up to skim some dry micro to fill the > trailing edge depressions where the top and bottom skins are bonded > together, thinking that it would be just an afternoon's job which, > after cure, would be followed by some block sanding to knock down the > high spots, and followed by the application of filler over the entire > panels (flaps, ailerons, and trim tabs) to cover the weave. (For this, > I'm planning on using Poly-Fiber's SuperFil rather than Expancel.) > > What I've found however, is that filling those depressions is a bit > more of a job than I'd anticipated. Notwithstanding using what I > thought was the stiffest possible mix of micro, I find myself with > numerous low spots thus requiring 2nd and in some cases 3rd > applications of the micro in order to bring those trailing edge > depressions up to the plane of the airfoils. Between coats, I've used > small bits of 150 grit sandpaper around a forefinger so that the > subsequent coat of micro would have a better bond than to simply apply > it over the (glossy) low areas. I've been working under the assumption > that these trailing edges must be dealt with completely before > squeegying on the filler to fill the glass weave over the foam. > > I've also been careful when knocking down the high spots to not abrade > the glass fibers on adjacent areas. > > Given that each surface has two sides and I've found that the micro > must be applied separately to each side (in multiple coats w/ > intervening cure cycles), at this point I'm sitting here wondering: > > - Have I made this more complicated than it need be? > > - Am I missing something here? > > Lookin for either reassurance or a cautionary "heads up", > > Fred > A194 > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.