---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/23/08: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:55 AM - Re: Adjusting the tailplanes (danbish) 2. 01:28 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Robert C Harrison) 3. 01:35 AM - Re: Adjusting the tailplanes (Robert C Harrison) 4. 01:40 AM - Re: oil problems (Robert C Harrison) 5. 03:15 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Roger Mills) 6. 03:18 AM - Re: oil problems (danny shepherd) 7. 04:17 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Paul Atkinson) 8. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (nigel charles) 9. 05:41 AM - Re: back in the Air ... (N81EU) (Fred Klein) 10. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (joseph brannen) 11. 09:38 AM - Re: back in the Air ... (N81EU) (Kim Prout) 12. 10:59 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 13. 11:21 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Paul McAllister) 14. 11:24 AM - Re: Adjusting the tailplanes (danbish) 15. 02:29 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 16. 02:29 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 17. 02:29 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 18. 02:29 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 19. 02:29 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 20. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (karelvranken) 21. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Garry) 22. 06:04 PM - Re: oil problems (Erich Trombley) 23. 07:50 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Robert Borger) 24. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Kingsley Hurst) 25. 08:52 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Kingsley Hurst) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:55:19 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Adjusting the tailplanes From: "danbish" I was able to figure it out tonight, it wasn't as much trouble as I thought it was going to be. After removing the weights and cables from the TP18 rod and disconnecting it so I could adjust it, unscrewing it has the effect of increasing the up direction without affecting the down position much. I was able to get both to 13.3 deg up and 5.0 deg down. The .3 will come out when I add a bit of cushion to the top of the mass balance tower. I measured from the middle of the tailplane, at the outside point of the trim tab. I assume this isn't critical. I feel like I got it nail this time. Thanks for the input. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:28:55 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment Hi! Rowland. No pictures received, however seems to me that you are expecting the structure to take your weight before bonding without the stiffening provided by the bonding. This is not how it all works ! Assuming the control stick movements are not stiff prior to bonding the CM in place (perhaps you can recall my oscillating with brasso etc. items to free off? Also check you have the assembly rivets correctly oriented in the control tubes (if the push rods have rivets at the top and bottom they can rub against the larger torque tubes internally, they need to be off the vertical centre line) Firstly put a nice (considerable radius) on the corners of the CS07/08 items. With a dummy run of module inserted and fuselage very adquately supported so that the sides are the correct width (without stress).Then mark out all the places that the CM abuts or is supposed to abut the fuselage. Remove the CM and apply thick layers of stiff Redux to the previously marked areas. Then apply similar redux to the mating areas of the CM. Then carefully lift the CM into place allowing it to settle down without undue bending pressure likley to deform it from it's natural shape. The redux where too thick will squelch out from the bond areas but stay in place in the clear gap areas. If you shine a strong light behind all the join areas you will highlight all places needing attention. Scrape off all surplus Redux which has squelched out and trowel this spare redux into area's where there's gaps or shortage ensuring the width areas are suitably abutted with one or two LOOSELY applied pop rivets.(Rivets only partly extended)Wipe out areas of remaining surplus and leave to cure. Bingo! IMHO do not pull the flanges of the CM down where they are gapped because:- a) you stress everthing up b) you make indentations on the outer fuselage surface needing filler to fill them. You will ultimately use less weight of Redux than the larger areas of filler needed and for my money I'd rather ride on Redux than filler as a structure ! Further don't mess with release agent or cling film you will not get a good bond, I say again just fill all the gaps with trowelled Redux. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Sent: 22 September 2008 21:40 Subject: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:35:43 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Adjusting the tailplanes Hi! Dan I don't know who you were replying to? But if it was a response to my message I didn't intend you to remove any material from the balance weights but to thin the bump stops. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbish Sent: 23 September 2008 01:09 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Adjusting the tailplanes Ah, that makes sense. Except if too much weight is taken off to get them in balance? Thanks for the help. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:40:36 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: oil problems Hi! Danny Just had a thought....did you pressure bleed the oil system to eliminate any air pockets as per Rotax instructions? Sounds like air expanding in the system has caused an "overfill scenario"? Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny shepherd Sent: 22 September 2008 22:47 Subject: Re: Europa-List: oil problems --> Steve, We think it blew back out of the overflow pipe. I'll probably take the a/c back home for further investigation. Danny steve v wrote: > --> > > Hi Danny, > where did the oil leak/blow from? > > steve #573 > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:15:46 AM PST US From: "Roger Mills" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let's break the silence: The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Also, if you've got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger - i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly - don't let the pundits put you off! Roger Mills Europa 141 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:18:16 AM PST US From: danny shepherd Subject: Re: Europa-List: oil problems Bob, Yes I did, but did I do it right!! When you think about it I have run the engine for three hours myself with no problems. Thinking about it last night in bed (as one does) I could only come up with idea that there has to be a kink in the return from the engine to the tank. The oil hoses are protected with fire sleeve, which makes it hard to see any kinks. I'll bring the a/c back latter this week and change the hose. Thanks for all the replies. Danny G-CERI Robert C Harrison wrote: > > Hi! Danny > Just had a thought....did you pressure bleed the oil system to eliminate > any air pockets as per Rotax instructions? > Sounds like air expanding in the system has caused an "overfill > scenario"? > Regards > Bob Harrison G-PTAG > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danny > shepherd > Sent: 22 September 2008 22:47 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: oil problems > > > --> > > Steve, > We think it blew back out of the overflow pipe. I'll probably > take the a/c back home for further investigation. > > Danny > > steve v wrote: > >> --> >> >> Hi Danny, >> where did the oil leak/blow from? >> >> steve #573 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:17:05 AM PST US From: "Paul Atkinson" Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment Rowland I agree with all the comments so far but would just add that it is a good idea to do a dry run first using whatever method you have decided on to hold it all together, be it clecos, rivets, straps, etc. This will help you get the best fit and give you a chance to check that there is no interference with the controls, Regards Paul Atkinson -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Sent: 22 September 2008 21:40 Subject: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment I've managed to be ill in bed with a fever during the recent dry weather and so missed a chance to do the spar bush alignemnt stuff outdoors, but I have another problem that's bothering me. I attach 6 fairly small pictures which I hope illustrate what I'm talking about. I have fitted the bearings for both ends of the CS05 torque tubes and was pretty happy with the way it was all going until I put the cockpit module into the lower fuselage moulding (see picture DSCN2491.jpg) to do the check of stick movement as advised in the manual (page 13-10). If I don't sit in the CM, all is fine and movement of the sticks is constrained only by the cockpit sides and tunnel. However, when I sit in it, the movement is considerably reduced; with only about 100mm deflection left or right from centre at the top of the stick, there's a graunching noise as the corners of CS07/08 scrape against the fuselage floor. You'll see in the picture that the outlines of the brown foam inserts in the lower moulding don't seem to have any real relationship with the various cutouts and shapes of the CM. I'd have thought that perhaps they would line up in places. They are not even symmetrical port & starboard (the seats, on my CM anyway, have slightly different shapes P & S). I phoned up the factory when I found this and Roger assured me that all will be well when the CM & lower moulding are bonded and thus stiffened. However, as I look at things more closely, I am not much comforted by that. The cockpit flange at the bottom of the seat backrest is supported by only fresh air, in the middle of the green area across the middle of picture DSCN2496.jpg, and any pressure on the seat pan will bend the CM down into that depression. That causes CS07/08 to touch the fuselage floor where the small black marks can be seen on the brown area at the rear of the green stripe. I checked that the clearance for CS07/08 is correct (~6mm) as per the manual (picture DSCN2501.jpg), but the depression in the green stripe is about 4mm deep (picture DSCN2513.jpg) so if the CM is pushed down ito that locally the clearance will be badly compromised. Picture DSCN2515.jpg shows the width of the green depression, with a ruler placed against the port CS07/08 witness mark. The depression lies from about 25mm to 100mm on the ruler. Picture DSCN2516.jpg shows the same ruler positioned on the CM underside against CS07, demonstrating that the CM flange across the seat-backs falls between the 25mm mark and the 100mm mark. I think the engineering solution is to put packing between the CM and the fuselage where there is no foam layer, so that the Redux will not need to bridge the full 4mm gap. But what packing? It's got to be at least as strong as the Redux. Maybe I should go the (expensive) route of putting in a layer of Redux first with release film to fill the gap, as I did on the ribs when closing the wings. Has anyone else found this problem? Or is my CM/fuselage moulding a mismatched pair? All input appreciated! regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:58 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Also the monowheel is unique in what it offers with regards to strip operation combined with economical, fast cruise and long range flight. Once you limit yourself to the trigear there are a number of other serious competitors out there. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Mills Sent: 23 September 2008 11:14 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let's break the silence: The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Also, if you've got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger - i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly - don't let the pundits put you off! Roger Mills Europa 141 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 9/22/2008 4:08 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: back in the Air ... (N81EU) From: Fred Klein On Sunday, Sep 21, 2008, at 13:45 US/Pacific, Thomas Scherer wrote: > further to my eMail of Feb. 25th, 2007 I am glad to report that N81EU > took to the Air again today Thomas, Congratulations...your photos are revealing, though I for one would be most interested in some narrative background on your rebuild....e.g., how your fuselage was repaired, how much was salvaged, how everything got trued up... Fred A194 -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:50 AM PST US From: joseph brannen Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Bob, I do not regard the distinctions between handling characteristics of mono vs trigear as being significant. The mono is more pleasing to the eye etc. I modified my mono to tri for two reasons: with the mono 1. I was unable to retract gear with the rright hand, I also cannot fly other manually retractables, and 2. The high desert strip from which I fly is 30 feet wide and I could not turn the mono around without stopping, and doing it by hand from the ground. The europa is the most enjoyable plane to fly that I have experienced. These experiences began with the stearman in 1945. After a half century lay off I retired and took up flying again. Off strip attributes are not applicable in the high, 6500 ft,desert. jp ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:06 AM PST US From: Kim Prout Subject: Re: Europa-List: back in the Air ... (N81EU) Hey Thomas! Glad to see her back in the air.... Rather like a phoenix rising from ashes. Keep in touch! kp ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:59:58 AM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-23 09:03 +1200 Tony Krzyzewski wrote: >Rowland, I don't think that you have a problem. There is a lot of >flexibility in the bottom molding until the cockpit module is bonded in. >I did a similar "pre flight" test sitting in the cockpit module before >it had been bonded in and had exactly the same result. Once the module >is bonded everything stiffens up quite considerably and you'll find that >the clearance that you currently have without the weight of your body on >it will be maintained. Tony - that sounds good theory, but how in practice do I ensure that everything stays where it ought to while doing the cockpit module bonding? I haven't yet done all the drilling and cleco-ing that is called out in the manual page 11-6 (trial fit of CM) to fit the CM as closely to the lower fuselage moulding as possible, and fear that I could easily make things worse instead of better during that process. It says "drill and cleco other areas until your cockpit module is a snug fit" but I can't see how you get a snug fit of the relatively flat CM surfaces against the fuselage moulding which goes up and down at every edge of the brown foam inserts. The manual also says "Use as few clecos as is necessary to fit the module to the bottom moulding. Remember that when you come to bond the module into the fuselage bottom moulding you will be able to locally weight down any small areas that need it". If I were to weigh down the aft end of either seat-centre tunnel, that would ruin the CS07/08 clearance. Why doesn't the area of the CM around the CS06 rear bearing actually rest on the fuselage floor? It seems crazy to take care setting up the clearance for parts at the aft end of the torque tube, and then leave it dangling in fresh air. regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:44 AM PST US From: "Paul McAllister" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Hi all, I am always intrigued by this perennial debate and I rarely participate, however Nigel's comments made me think about the question in a different context. When I purchased my kit, (way back when) I was living in Australia at the time and the Europa Mono wheel had a couple of important attributes I needed, it would work off unimproved fields, and it fitted on a pretty neat trailer fairly quickly so I could keep it at home. When Ivan and friends designed this aircraft that is what its mission statement was. I remember thinking at the time, "well it looks a lot like some gliders I have flown so it can't be all that hard to land". Well I suppose with experience I know that assumption is wrong. How hard is it?. I am having an interesting experience of teaching my daughter to handle the aircraft in the landing ground roll out phase and it made be realize that this is just an airplane that "keeps you honest". It is not until you teach and watch someone else that it becomes apparent that the airplane demands accuracy from the down wind phase until you have stopped. Nail the speeds and aim point and it all falls into place, and the airplane has such nice aerodynamic qualities that it isn't difficult to do any of this, it is just that it if you don't pay attention to the basics then you start to fall behind. The other interesting point Nigel makes is, once you move into the Trigear category, then there are a lot of contenders to choose from, and the differentiating attributes of a Europa become significantly smaller. This is what makes the Europa mono wheel some what unique, it meets its design criteria very well without many competing designs. So which airplane is best, in my opinion, it comes down to your mission statement. Paul N378PJ 860 hours and still grinning every time I fly it. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Adjusting the tailplanes From: "danbish" Just confirming that I got things set right. Thanks for the input. Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:19 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-23 09:27 +0100 Robert C Harrison wrote: >seems to me that you are expecting the >structure to take your weight before bonding Bob - thanks for your message. I can see now that I was associating the 2 different instructions on page 13-10 in an inappropriate way. Near the top of the page it says "orientate the column such that the tube cranks aft and slightly inboard so that there is equal space between it and each of your thighs" and obviously you have to sit in it to check that positioning. But near the bottom of the page it says "check that the minimum control movement that can be achieved without interference, is 22.5 cm (9") fore and aft and 28 cm (11") laterally" but it does NOT say you should be sitting in it for that check; I had just mentally connected the two! >Assuming the control stick movements are not stiff prior to bonding the >CM in place No problem there - without the sticks fitted the weight of just the aileron cross-link pushrod is enough to make it all fall to neutral with the CM upside-down. I used good-quality furniture wax (non-silicone) instead of grease on the Tufnol parts and that seems to have worked well. I also included plastic shims when assembling CS02/03/04 - see my website journal at for the whole story. Note later also the method of inserting thin wires to keep CS05 & CS02/3 co-axial and thus avoid any binding between the front and rear bearings. >a dummy run of module inserted and fuselage very adquately >supported so that the sides are the correct width (without stress) This seems a good idea, but how is that correct width determined? I can't immediately see any reference for that dimension. >Further don't mess with release agent or cling film you will not get a >good bond I found that when I did this on the wings, the hardest part was getting the gap-filling cured Redux abraded again enough to key properly with the final coat. But in the wings it was more desirable to do it that way, as it's not possible to see where there is excess or insufficient Redux at final bond time. For the CM bonding, most of the areas are visible during the whole process or can be made so by a strong light. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-22 20:39 -0700 Fred Klein wrote: >One consideration may be your method of supporting the canoe Fred - thanks for your comments. I am (at present) using an old door on castors with wedges at the ends for support - see the pictures on my website at . The fuselage floor is relatively flat where the seat-backs are, and it is in contact with the door almost all the way across at that fuselage station. This matches the pretty flat profile across the width of the cockpit module underside. >I built one of Chuck Popenoe's knock down support frames I did consider something similar but laziness won! It would be great if someone made a file of fuselage profile measurements for cutting support formers. >don't hesitate to lay the Redux on thick when the time comes to bond >in the CM and take care as to not localize pressure with blocking >and strapping That all sounds good advice, thanks. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-23 04:08 +0000 wrote: >I didn't like my clearance between CS07/08 and >fuse, so after checking with Nev, cut a bit more off the bottom and >rounded more the edges Ron - thanks for the message. >I had to grind a lot to get even a close fit on the front where >the CPM attaches to the firewall so would have not to fill a canyon I couldn't take much off there without getting into the glass, but the gap left does not seem large in the general scale of things. It doesn't look like the 4mm or so that exists between the CM seat-back flange and the fuselage floor. >I ran >like you said a first pass with redux/flox on a few areas that required a >large fill I may not do that, as the main reason for doing it on the wings was that you can't see how it's gone after the final bond has been made, and on the CM there is much better visibility. >In same picture good >idea to put on a 1 ply strip of uni so you can later install tie rod! Thanks for that tip. Reply copied to list as Ron's reply came only to me. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-23 16:21 +1000 Kingsley Hurst wrote: >I had the same problem with the bottom corners of the CS08s contacting the >fuselage floor. My solution for this was to locally remove the inner glass >plies and then to sand out the foam Kingsley - thanks for your message. I thought about that , but I think I'd need clearance from an inspector to proceed with that. >I also filed away any excess material on the bottom corners of the CS08s I'd only get about 1mm or less by doing that - they're pretty close to the screw heads already, although any extra clearance would be welcome. >from memory, all of the cockpit module parts to >be bonded should mate with glass only sections in the fuselage. It >his is not the case, would >removing some extra material from the module allow this? All the CM flanges around the seat area (and the ply thigh-support ribs) mate with brown foam areas on the lower fuselage moulding - it covers all the central bottom area of the lower moulding (see the pictures attached to the first posting). The only CM bottom flanges NOT resting on foam are the outboard and rear edges of the seat pan, although the one at the port side is wide enough to catch the foam at its inboard edge. >Is this because some parts of the module are resting on foam sandwiched >areas of the fuselage as mentioned in my last comment Yes - see above. >if the module is lowered such that the >cockpit flange at the bottom of the seat backrest contacts the glass only >area, the interference with the bottom of the CS08s will be worse Yes. But the module doesn't lower into that position naturally; only if pressure is applied at the back of the seat pan does the CM distort to allow that flange to contact the plain glass area of the fuselage floor. >Hope I have made SOME sense Rowland Yes, I think we are on the same wavelength, but I'm still a bit puzzled. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment At 2008-09-23 12:14 +0100 Paul Atkinson wrote: >it is a good >idea to do a dry run first Paul - thanks, yes, I am a great believer in the dry run, even down to "where will I put the pot of Redux so I don't knock it over with my elbow when trying to persuade the already-applied Redux to go where I want it?" regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1110 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:14 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Roger and all, The mono is a purebred. Karel Vranken, F-PKRL only 200 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Mills To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let's break the silence: The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Also, if you've got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger - i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly - don't let the pundits put you off! Roger Mills Europa 141 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:42 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the monowheel design? Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Roger and all, The mono is a purebred. Karel Vranken, F-PKRL only 200 hours. ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Mills To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let's break the silence: The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Also, if you've got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger - i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly - don't let the pundits put you off! Roger Mills Europa 141 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:54 PM PST US From: "Erich Trombley" Subject: Europa-List: Re: oil problems I once had a similar experience when I accidentally overfilled the oil tank. Unaware at the time that the oil in the tank will siphon into the engine if it sits for extended periods of inactivity, I checked the oil prior to leaving for the airfield and noted that it was quite a bit low. I added a quart or so to bring the level up and headed for the airport. Unfortunately, I didn't get very far. Shortly after takeoff I started to smell oil. I immediately came around for a landing without incident. However, upon examining the plane I discovered that a significant amount of oil had been forced out of the overflow tube. It was then I realized what I had done. Never check the oil level without first pulling a few blades through and confirming the burping of the oil tank. Lesson learned. Regards, Erich N28ET Classic Mono 914 "Hi All, Last Saturday my test pilot started the ground testing. He carried out the taxi checks, bedded in the brakes, did a fast taxi down the runway, all the t's and p's perfect. Oil pressure 4 bar, The engine ran quite cool, (no signs of over heating) All together he ran the engine for about 45 minutes. When he taxied back to the hangar the engine dumped most of the oil on the tarmac. Rather worrying!! We took off the cowls and every thing looked o k. The pipes are correct (the right orientation) and there are no kinks in them. So far the engine has run for nearly four hours with no problem. Has anyone else had similar problems? does anyone have any suggestions ?. It was going to have it's maiden flight next Saturday, but !!!!!!!!!! Cheers Danny (worried)" ____________________________________________________________ Are you safe? Click for quotes on a home security system. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2131/fc/Ioyw6iif8bYERli1v6p5pVCIavivYaRQSxxxqfxNzx3q6QqoI6hwQX/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:40 PM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Garry, Not completely. The U-2/TR-1 series of aircraft are of the "bicycle" configuration. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.9% done) Presently fighting gremlins in the instrument panel. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Sep 23, 2008, at 18:03, Garry wrote: > Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, > commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected > the monowheel design? > > Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: karelvranken > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS > monowheel...............Am I mad or > > Roger and all, > The mono is a purebred. > Karel Vranken, F-PKRL only 200 hours. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Roger Mills > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS > monowheel...............Am I mad or > > After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said > about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let=92s break the silence: > > The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, > ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to > fly it safely. Also, if you=92ve got heavy boots or slow reactions, > you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of > keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for > adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any > other taildragger ' i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to > make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. > > While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is > lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly ' don=92t > let the pundits put you off! > > Roger Mills > Europa 141 > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref > ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronh ref > ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http:// > www.matronics.com/c > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:34 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or > Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the monowheel design? Really! Just to name a few, what about Glassflugel, ASW, Schempp Hirth, Alexander Schleicher, DG Flugzeugbau, SZD, LET not to mention Europa ! do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:33 PM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment Rowland, > All the CM flanges around the seat area (and the ply thigh-support ribs) > mate with brown foam areas on the lower fuselage moulding - it covers all > the central bottom area of the lower moulding (see the pictures attached > to the first posting). The only CM bottom flanges NOT resting on foam are > the outboard and rear edges of the seat pan, although the one at the port > side is wide enough to catch the foam at its inboard edge. Because I have little trust in my memory anymore, I pulled my fuse out of the trailer this morning to check. Parts of my module DO mate with the foamed areas of the fuselage but where they do, the module is rebated to accomodate this. Does your module not have any rebated sections? There is a slight joggle where the rebated sections start but they are not very prominent.. >>My solution for this was to locally remove the inner glass >>plies and then to sand out the foam >Kingsley - thanks for your message. I thought about that , but I think I'd >need clearance from an inspector to proceed with that. It must be a pain not being able to make a small change like this without jumping through hoops etc. It was once like the UK over here too but thank goodness, we have the Experimental Regulations here now. Maybe you can raise the rear bushes a little. . . . I too had the rear bushes installed as per the book but as I said previously, they turned out not to be quite high enough. I hope you can get on top of your hitch at the moment Rowland. There is always a reason and a cure but properly identifying the problems can often not be the easiest thing to do. 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