---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/24/08: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:32 AM - Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Richard Lamprey) 2. 03:24 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Raimo Toivio) 3. 04:01 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Jon Smith) 4. 04:10 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (craig bastin) 5. 04:28 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Frans Veldman) 6. 04:42 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Raimo Toivio) 7. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Jim Brown) 8. 06:34 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Raimo Toivio) 9. 07:57 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Frans Veldman) 10. 08:54 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (G-IANI) 11. 09:19 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (karelvranken) 12. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel........... (Gilles Thesee) 13. 10:29 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Garry) 14. 10:39 AM - AOA Question (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 15. 10:53 AM - Re: AOA Question (Bill Henderson) 16. 10:54 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Robert Borger) 17. 11:11 AM - Re: AOA Question (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 18. 11:28 AM - Re: AOA Question (Bill Henderson) 19. 02:08 PM - DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger (Paddy Clarke) 20. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or (Graham Singleton) 21. 04:50 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Graham Singleton) 22. 07:22 PM - Re: monowheel?? (EMAproducts@aol.com) 23. 08:51 PM - Jab3300 Cowlings (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 24. 09:29 PM - Re: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:05 AM PST US From: "Richard Lamprey" Subject: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Of course there are many... the U2... the wonderful Fournier series, RF3, 4, and 5... the Schleiker K14 motorglider Happy flying to all Richard, in Kenya Monowheel , no 168, 912UL, warpdrive at 17 degrees, operating from hot and high 6000', 27 C, and it does need rather a long take off roll. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:26 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Rowland > Near the top of the page it says "orientate the column such that the > tube cranks aft and slightly inboard so that there is equal space > between it and each of your thighs" and obviously you have to sit in > it to check that positioning. > > But near the bottom of the page it says "check that the minimum > control movement that can be achieved without interference, is 22.5 > cm (9") fore and aft and 28 cm (11") laterally" but it does NOT say > you should be sitting in it for that check; I had just mentally > connected the two! That was and still is my problem. So, please check movements carefully! I cannot achieve full aileron movements port/starboard because my cc hits to my fucken thighs. OK - my thighs are definetely not like lollipop sticks and I have considered some plastical surgery operations to make them thinner but my test pilot - weighing less than 130 lbs - had same problem! He stated -this plane is not for aerobatics! OK - one reason for that problem is my fat fighter type stick grip which is full of switches etc and secondly - I have shortened cc to get its position more erconomical and to fit my taste. Resultant: no aerobatics and limited tolerans for sidewind (so far max only 24 knots)! I should do something but all solutions are unfunny (remove grip and/or lenghten the column). I do not know what to do. David B advised me: let it be and accept this limitation. Until this day that is the best thing I can do. Ideas? Remove inner muscles from my both thigs? Maybe it is a small sacrifice for total satisfactory piloting. Be care, Rowland Raimo OH-XRT ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:01:34 AM PST US From: Jon Smith Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Harrier ? Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2008, at 09:31, "Richard Lamprey" wrote: > Of course there are many... the U2... the wonderful Fournier > series, RF3, 4, and 5... the Schleiker K14 motorglider > > Happy flying to all > > Richard, in Kenya > Monowheel , no 168, 912UL, warpdrive at 17 degrees, operating from > hot and high 6000', 27 C, and it does need rather a long take off > roll. > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:59 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column You say you have shortened the CC, which means you MAY be ok with what you have. If you have shortened the stick 50%, then your movements would be down to 11.25cm f/A and 14cm Lat. The down side is your stick load will double with half the stick gone. Not knowing how long your stick is now, I will let you do the math. If you dont like the full stick height because you have to hold your arm up, maybe an arm rest would resolve the ergonomic position issues. craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2008 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Rowland > Near the top of the page it says "orientate the column such that the > tube cranks aft and slightly inboard so that there is equal space > between it and each of your thighs" and obviously you have to sit in > it to check that positioning. > > But near the bottom of the page it says "check that the minimum > control movement that can be achieved without interference, is 22.5 > cm (9") fore and aft and 28 cm (11") laterally" but it does NOT say > you should be sitting in it for that check; I had just mentally > connected the two! That was and still is my problem. So, please check movements carefully! I cannot achieve full aileron movements port/starboard because my cc hits to my fucken thighs. OK - my thighs are definetely not like lollipop sticks and I have considered some plastical surgery operations to make them thinner but my test pilot - weighing less than 130 lbs - had same problem! He stated -this plane is not for aerobatics! OK - one reason for that problem is my fat fighter type stick grip which is full of switches etc and secondly - I have shortened cc to get its position more erconomical and to fit my taste. Resultant: no aerobatics and limited tolerans for sidewind (so far max only 24 knots)! I should do something but all solutions are unfunny (remove grip and/or lenghten the column). I do not know what to do. David B advised me: let it be and accept this limitation. Until this day that is the best thing I can do. Ideas? Remove inner muscles from my both thigs? Maybe it is a small sacrifice for total satisfactory piloting. Be care, Rowland Raimo OH-XRT Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 6:29 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:28:47 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Raimo Toivio wrote: > I cannot achieve full aileron movements port/starboard because my cc hits to my fucken thighs. > I do not know what to do. David B advised me: let it be and accept this limitation. > Until this day that is the best thing I can do. Ideas? Remove inner muscles from my both thigs? Why not change the ratio of one the various levers in the aileron system? Of course more aileron action with less stick movement will come at the price of more force required to move the ailerons. But people with big thighs have usually big muscles. ;-) Most likely you don't have to change much, probably repositioning a hole a few millimeters will do the trick. I would probably go for the aileron quick connect bellcranks. Obtain/create new ones, and reposition the push rod hole slightly closer to the pivot point. You then have more aileron action with less stick movement. Another idea is to arrange more space for your lower body, so you knees get lower. This is what I did. I made two new levers for the rudder pedals, so the control cable is connected 2cm further from the pivot point. Since the rudder movement is fixed to 31 degrees, this means 2cm less pedal travel between both extremes. In neutral, this has the effect of the pedals being 1 cm closer to their lower limits, hence I extended my leg space with 1 cm, which has a remarkable effect on the position of my knees, and thus maximum control column movement. -- Frans ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:02 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Thanks Graig I well understand your thoughts and math is easy of course. I shortened the stick about 100 mm /4". Stick loads are perfect in my mind now - I did like to get some extra response because do not like too sensitive feeling (old Cessna pilots syndrom). The dark side of the shortening was the fat grip came also lower - that was the bad influence. Now my arm rest is my port side thig and that is good. One possible solution: change the aileron transmission ratio in the spar tunnel. That make even more lateral stick loads but would be ok for me personally. Raimo OH-XRT 93 hrs, 197 landings. ----- Original Message ----- From: "craig bastin" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column > > You say you have shortened the CC, which means you MAY be ok with what you > have. > If you have shortened the stick 50%, then your movements would be down to > 11.25cm f/A > and 14cm Lat. The down side is your stick load will double with half the > stick gone. > Not knowing how long your stick is now, I will let you do the math. If you > dont like the > full stick height because you have to hold your arm up, maybe an arm rest > would resolve > the ergonomic position issues. > > craig > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio > Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2008 8:41 PM > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column > > > > Rowland > > > Near the top of the page it says "orientate the column such that the > > tube cranks aft and slightly inboard so that there is equal space > > between it and each of your thighs" and obviously you have to sit in > > it to check that positioning. > > > > But near the bottom of the page it says "check that the minimum > > control movement that can be achieved without interference, is 22.5 > > cm (9") fore and aft and 28 cm (11") laterally" but it does NOT say > > you should be sitting in it for that check; I had just mentally > > connected the two! > > That was and still is my problem. So, please check movements carefully! > > I cannot achieve full aileron movements port/starboard because my cc hits to > my fucken thighs. > OK - my thighs are definetely not like lollipop sticks and I have considered > some plastical surgery > operations to make them thinner but my test pilot - weighing less than 130 > lbs - had same problem! > He stated -this plane is not for aerobatics! > > OK - one reason for that problem is my fat fighter type stick grip which is > full of switches etc > and secondly - I have shortened cc to get its position more erconomical and > to fit my taste. > > Resultant: no aerobatics and limited tolerans for sidewind (so far max only > 24 knots)! > > I should do something but all solutions are unfunny (remove grip and/or > lenghten the column). > I do not know what to do. David B advised me: let it be and accept this > limitation. > Until this day that is the best thing I can do. Ideas? Remove inner muscles > from my both thigs? > > Maybe it is a small sacrifice for total satisfactory piloting. > > Be care, Rowland > > Raimo OH-XRT > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 6:29 AM > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:14 AM PST US From: Jim Brown Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Well... I can name the U-2, and the Harrier as two a/c that have outriggers .. If memory serves me correct there was the B-47 several years ago, for sta rters. Not to mention all the high performance guilders, with the same mono wheel, and no outriggers..... - Jim Brown --- On Tue, 9/23/08, Garry wrote: From: Garry Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel............ ....Am I mad or _filtered #yiv554562678 { font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv554562678 {margin:72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt 72.0pt;} #yiv554562678 P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv554562678 LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv554562678 DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:11pt;MARGIN:0cm 0cm 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv554562678 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv554562678 SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv554562678 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv554562678 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv554562678 SPAN.EmailStyle17 { COLOR:windowtext;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv554562678 MsoChpDefault { } #yiv554562678 DIV.Section1 { } Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, commerci al, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the monowheel de sign? - Garry - ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel............ ....Am I mad or Roger and all, The mono is a purebred. Karel Vranken, F-PKRL only 200 hours. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: Roger Mills Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 12:13 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel............ ....Am I mad or After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about i t being a beautiful aeroplane - -but let=92s break the silence: - The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. -Yes, ideally, y ou need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Als o, if you=92ve got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. H owever, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard dow n until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger ' i.e. you simply pay at tention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. - While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighte r, -flies faster -and is extremely rewarding to fly ' don=92t let the pundits put you off! - Roger Mills Europa 141 - - href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhr ef="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:29 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Frans Great! > > Why not change the ratio of one the various levers in the aileron > system? Of course more aileron action with less stick movement will come > at the price of more force required to move the ailerons. But people > with big thighs have usually big muscles. ;-) Yes that was my idea in my earlier message. Just wonder how hard is it to do practically. > Another idea is to arrange more space for your lower body, so you knees > get lower. This is what I did. This is a totally new idea for me. Simple, safe, cheap, fast to do and brilliant. I have *very* thick temper foam & leather seat cushions. To make them thinner could be a solution. I remember during building phase I was sitting there and got all the movements satisfactory. That could an explanation: I had not seat cushions in those days! I have thought I have been alone w this problem but obviously did not. Thank you Frans!!! Raimo > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:13 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column Raimo Toivio wrote: > Great! >> Why not change the ratio of one the various levers in the aileron >> system? Of course more aileron action with less stick movement will come >> at the price of more force required to move the ailerons. But people >> with big thighs have usually big muscles. ;-) > > Yes that was my idea in my earlier message. Just wonder how hard is it to do practically. If you can drill a new hole, you can do it. ;-) >> Another idea is to arrange more space for your lower body, so you knees >> get lower. This is what I did. > > This is a totally new idea for me. Simple, safe, cheap, fast to do and brilliant. > I have *very* thick temper foam & leather seat cushions. > To make them thinner could be a solution. I found out that the height of the seat has not so much influence on the position of your knees (and hence control stick movement), but the distance between the seat back and neutral rudder pedals is of great importance. Just 1 cm does wonders. I couldn't create much more space for my back, so I worked on the other end; the rudder pedals. > I have thought I have been alone w this problem but obviously did not. Seems like the Europa was not designed with the Dutch and Scandinavian people in mind, who tend to be somewhat taller than the rest of Europe. The solution is not a high-top, but rather more leg space. Frans ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:14 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column That a Europa needs more leg room, not head room, is a conclusion I came to some years ago. I also concluded that lowering the position of your heals helped. To do this I have LAA Mod 10665 (which is this aircraft only). The drawing attached will give you some of the details. By slight changes to the pedal geometry (shortening them or changing the lever arm) you can get up to 33mm of extra leg room which gives a huge improvement. This can be done on a completed aircraft but is a lot of work. Having the lowered floor and changed geometry will give say 40mm of extra room. If anyone is interested I have a CAD drawing with the layout used. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:36 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Garry, You are perhaps getting the best answer to your question from Booing or Airbus. Don't ask sailplane constructors! Karel Vranken. ----- Original Message ----- From: Garry To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:03 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the monowheel design? Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: karelvranken To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 5:42 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Roger and all, The mono is a purebred. Karel Vranken, F-PKRL only 200 hours. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:43 AM PST US From: Gilles Thesee Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel........... Jim Brown a crit : > Well... I can name the U-2, and the Harrier as two a/c that have > outriggers. If memory serves me correct there was the B-47 several > years ago, for starters. Not to mention all the high performance > guilders, with the same mono wheel, and no outriggers..... > > Jim, Just to point out that monowheel gliders need several people to maneuver on the field, and at least one person at the wingtip for takeoff. Some vintage motor gliders do have mono wheel and outriggers (the well known Falke, for instance), but taxiing in obstructed areas is a real pain. BTW, the Falke, in spite of its ugliness, is really easy to take off and land. Best regards, -- Gilles http://contrails.free.fr ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:51 AM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows: Schleiker K14............is a motor glider Glassflugel...............is a glider Schempp Hirth............is a glider DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider SZD...........is a glider U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc. Garry ----- Original Message ----- From: Jon Smith To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:58 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Harrier ? Sent from my iPhone On 24 Sep 2008, at 09:31, "Richard Lamprey" wrote: Of course there are many... the U2... the wonderful Fournier series, RF3, 4, and 5... the Schleiker K14 motorglider Happy flying to all Richard, in Kenya Monowheel , no 168, 912UL, warpdrive at 17 degrees, operating from hot and high 6000', 27 C, and it does need rather a long take off roll. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:39:55 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: AOA Question Good day All, I have been too busy building and have now gotten to the point of testing my electronics that I have installed in my panel. When I powered up the AOA from Proprietary Software Systems I get nothing. So after basic troubleshooting, I went online to their website _www.angle-of-attack.com_ (http://www.angle-of-attack.com) and they are not there anymore. Their phone is disconnected. Does anyone know the story? Have they gone out of business, been swallowed up by a bigger company? Thanks in advance. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:54 AM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: AOA Question Just tried the web link you sent below and it works OK for me. You might be having trouble with your browser or internet provider..... Bill A010 Classic Monowheel ----- Original Message ----- From: DuaneFamly@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:39 PM Subject: Europa-List: AOA Question Good day All, I have been too busy building and have now gotten to the point of testing my electronics that I have installed in my panel. When I powered up the AOA from Proprietary Software Systems I get nothing. So after basic troubleshooting, I went online to their website www.angle-of-attack.com and they are not there anymore. Their phone is disconnected. Does anyone know the story? Have they gone out of business, been swallowed up by a bigger company? Thanks in advance. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:41 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Garry The Monowheel is an Europa term for the bicycle landing gear, also known as centerline landing gear. The main gear are fore/aft and centered on the fuselage. Most require some sort of outrigger to maintain balance. The Lockheed U-2/TR-1, McDonnell Douglas AV-8B Harrier II and Hawker Harrier are current "real" airplanes with centerline landing gear and are not motor gliders. Older designs are the B-47 & XB-48. The B-52 is an extreme example with its quadracycle landing gear and outriggers. Check six, Bob Borger On Wednesday, September 24, 2008, at 12:26PM, "Garry" wrote: >Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows: > >Schleiker K14............is a motor glider >Glassflugel...............is a glider >Schempp Hirth............is a glider >DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider >SZD...........is a glider >U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not >ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was > >The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc. > >Garry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jon Smith > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:58 AM > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? > > > Harrier ? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 24 Sep 2008, at 09:31, "Richard Lamprey" wrote: > > > Of course there are many... the U2... the wonderful Fournier series, RF3, 4, and 5... the Schleiker K14 motorglider > > Happy flying to all > > Richard, in Kenya > Monowheel , no 168, 912UL, warpdrive at 17 degrees, operating from hot and high 6000', 27 C, and it does need rather a long take off roll. > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:50 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: AOA Question That was quick......to find out I have a browser problem and not an AOA problem. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:28:18 AM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: AOA Question If it helps, here's the contact info off the web site: Phone: 503-263-0037 FAX: 503-263-1138 E-mail: info@advanced-flight-systems.com Shipping/mailing: 320 S. Redwood Street Canby, OR 97013 Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: DuaneFamly@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: AOA Question That was quick......to find out I have a browser problem and not an AOA problem. Do Not Archive Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:48 PM PST US From: Paddy Clarke Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger Hi Folks, Now that I have returned from distant shores, I hope I'll have recovered from jet-lag sufficiently to fly on Friday - so how about a DOTH? Unless there are any better suggestions, may I propose Panshanger, voucher is in Flyer. ( this assumes the cafe is back in service, if I find out it's not, I'll post an amendment) All the Best, Paddy Clarke Europa G-KIMM ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:16 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Garry wrote: > Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, > commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the > monowheel design? > > Garry They haven't. Harrier Jump jet, not strictly a mono, it's a bicycle but same principal. The original spy plane, Lockheed U2. RF4 & RF5 pretty well all the gliders. Graham ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:19 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? Garry wrote: > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows: > > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider > Glassflugel...............is a glider > Schempp Hirth............is a glider > DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider > SZD...........is a glider > U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not > ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was > > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc. > > Garry U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger btw most gliders are very real airplanes, many of them will cruise cross country faster than a C152 as long as the sun shines far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in headwind. btw 2. the mind is like a parachute, if it ain't open it's no use ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 PM PST US From: EMAproducts@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Re: monowheel?? Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or > Why has every aircraft manufacturer in every country in the world, commercial, military, General, light sport, ultra-lights, rejected the monowheel design? Many have been mentioned, how about nearly every high performance sailplane along with those prior mentioned, and don't forget the Boeing B-47, not just lightweight are monowheel, so heavy had to have bicycle gear Elbie Mendenhall ~ the RiteAngle guy EM Aviation, LLC **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:27 PM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Jab3300 Cowlings Good day....or night....to All, It's late here so I figure to post this and call it a night. For those that have the Jab3300 fitted to their aircraft I have a question. I have mounted the lower cowl...and have placed the upper cowl in place.....but then I started wondering....I can screw into the fuselage with the rear of the top cowl but what have people done to secure the front of the top cowl?....I would imagine the top bolts to the bottom....but what have "those that have gone before" done? Brackets? Plates? Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300 Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips and calculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001) ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:02 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Would like to buy an XS monowheel...............Am I mad or Well said Roger, quite agree. A wonderful aircraft. 12 Waiwetu Street Fendalton, Christchurch NEW ZEALAND PH 0064 3 3515166 MOB 021 0640221 ward.t@xtra.co.nz After 500+ hours with a mono, I can only second what Bryan has said about it being a beautiful aeroplane - but let's break the silence: The monowheel has attracted some very unfair commentary. Yes, ideally, you need some taildragger skill or a conversion course to fly it safely. Also, if you've got heavy boots or slow reactions, you will have problems. However, if you follow the factory advice of keeping the tail wheel hard down until you gain enough airspeed for adequate rudder and aileron response, then it behaves as well as any other taildragger - i.e. you simply pay attention and be prepared to make minor, quick corrections on the ground run. While the Tri Gear has its own advantages, the Mono without doubt is lighter, flies faster and is extremely rewarding to fly - don't let the pundits put you off! Roger Mills Europa 141 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.