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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Jab3300 Cowlings (Robert C Harrison)
2. 03:40 AM - Re: cockpit module alignment /control column (Raimo Toivio)
3. 04:16 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger (Steve Pitt)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger (rick)
5. 05:16 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Karl Heindl)
6. 07:40 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Jeremy Davey)
7. 08:10 AM - Re: Jab3300 Cowlings (Tom Friedland)
8. 08:14 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (rick)
9. 09:14 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Robert Borger)
10. 09:18 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (David Buckley)
11. 09:19 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Tim Houlihan)
12. 09:33 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (rick)
13. 09:56 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Robert Borger)
14. 10:04 AM - Re: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger (Ray)
15. 10:27 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Fred Klein)
16. 10:31 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Karl Heindl)
17. 11:18 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Raimo Toivio)
18. 11:38 AM - New tandem wheel flying wing biplane - this one's different! (glenn crowder)
19. 11:41 AM - Horizon (Trevpond@aol.com)
20. 11:51 AM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Robert Borger)
21. 12:29 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? ()
22. 12:51 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? ()
23. 01:17 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Raimo Toivio)
24. 01:17 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Robert Borger)
25. 01:25 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Raimo Toivio)
26. 02:09 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Graham Singleton)
27. 02:34 PM - Fw: DOTH Scilly Isles (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
28. 02:52 PM - Re: cockpit module alignment (Richard Collings)
29. 03:01 PM - Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? (Bryan Allsop)
30. 06:03 PM - Europa wingroot fairing (Fred Klein)
31. 08:39 PM - Re: Jab3300 Cowlings (Mike Duane)
32. 08:53 PM - Europa wing root fairings (Fred Klein)
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| Subject: | Jab3300 Cowlings |
Hi! Mike
>From one who has =93been and done!=94
It is a mandatory requirement in the UK that the top cowl has a pair of
permanent clips either side of the spinner(almost under the spinner).
The clips are bent in the shape of a letter =93L=94 inverted and pop
riveted
to the lower cowl so that by depressing the top cowl the short leg of
the =93L=94 will engage into a slot on the top cowl. I believe it was as
a
Jabiru Mod. that mandated it. (all as a result of someone=92s cowl
departing in flight.) This supplements the standard Jabiru clips with
=93R=94 safety clips.
My Top Cowl installation at the rear was (and still is with the new
Rotax) engaged into four tapered pins set into the firewall. (This
eliminates any possibility of rain water accessing the cabin/panel
through screw holes) I used four of the Europa tapered door pins with
the mating sockets glassed into the underside of the rear of the top
cowl.
I needed =BC=94 gap between the front of the cowl and the spinner to
first
engage the tapered pins and drop the front to receive the clips and
Jabiru clips.
This makes for a very quick and convenient cowl removal.
Hopefully your cowl is ex-Jabiru and has flanges round top and lower
horizontal mating edges?
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG (Was Jab 3300 now 914 Rotax.)
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DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 25 September 2008 04:49
Subject: Europa-List: Jab3300 Cowlings
Good day....or night....to All,
It's late here so I figure to post this and call it a night. For those
that have the Jab3300 fitted to their aircraft I have a question. I have
mounted the lower cowl...and have placed the upper cowl in place.....but
then I started wondering....I can screw into the fuselage with the rear
of the top cowl but what have people done to secure the front of the top
cowl?....I would imagine the top bolts to the bottom....but what have
"those that have gone before" done? Brackets? Plates?
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit module alignment /control column |
Yes Frans, Dutch and Scandinavian people have just perfect bodies.
It is easier to modify planes than us ;)
Raimo
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Frans Veldman" <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment /control column
>
> Raimo Toivio wrote:
> > Great!
> >> Why not change the ratio of one the various levers in the aileron
> >> system? Of course more aileron action with less stick movement will come
> >> at the price of more force required to move the ailerons. But people
> >> with big thighs have usually big muscles. ;-)
> >
> > Yes that was my idea in my earlier message. Just wonder how hard is it to do
practically.
>
> If you can drill a new hole, you can do it. ;-)
>
> >> Another idea is to arrange more space for your lower body, so you knees
> >> get lower. This is what I did.
> >
> > This is a totally new idea for me. Simple, safe, cheap, fast to do and brilliant.
> > I have *very* thick temper foam & leather seat cushions.
> > To make them thinner could be a solution.
>
> I found out that the height of the seat has not so much influence on the
> position of your knees (and hence control stick movement), but the
> distance between the seat back and neutral rudder pedals is of great
> importance. Just 1 cm does wonders. I couldn't create much more space
> for my back, so I worked on the other end; the rudder pedals.
>
> > I have thought I have been alone w this problem but obviously did not.
>
> Seems like the Europa was not designed with the Dutch and Scandinavian
> people in mind, who tend to be somewhat taller than the rest of Europe.
> The solution is not a high-top, but rather more leg space.
>
> Frans
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger |
Count me in Paddy. I've not been there before so any tips for avoiding
Luton etc.?
Steve Pitt
----- Original Message -----
From: Paddy Clarke
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger
Hi Folks,
Now that I have returned from distant shores, I hope I'll have
recovered from jet-lag sufficiently to fly on Friday - so how about a
DOTH?
Unless there are any better suggestions, may I propose Panshanger,
voucher is in Flyer. ( this assumes the cafe is back in service, if I
find out it's not, I'll post an amendment)
All the Best, Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger |
Hi Steve
If you've ever been to Luton you'll know it needs avoiding!
Seriously from the south get a LARS from Farnborough then fly overhead their
field at < 2500 feet. Head straight for Wycombe Air Park (Booker) where you
can call them for information or stay with Farnborough then turn right
straight for EGLG, still between 2000 and 2500 QNH, making sure you don't
bust Luton on your left. Circuit height 1000'. If no reply on the tower
radio then normally one of the local planes with give you the runway (11 or
29) and the QFE. All circuits are to the North.
See you there.
Rick
G-RIKS
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt
Sent: 25 September 2008 12:16
Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger
Count me in Paddy. I've not been there before so any tips for avoiding Luton
etc.?
Steve Pitt
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:paddyclarke@lineone.net"Paddy Clarke
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:07 PM
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger
Hi Folks,
Now that I have returned from distant shores, I hope I'll have recovered
from jet-lag sufficiently to fly on Friday - so how about a DOTH?
Unless there are any better suggestions, may I propose Panshanger, voucher
is in Flyer. ( this assumes the cafe is back in service, if I find out it's
not, I'll post an amendment)
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Graham=2C
I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fields of GA
and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel setup like
the Europa for a factory built aircraft.
You are throwing in all these other types for comparison. None compare. The
military planes were for highly specialized tasks=2C flown by very profess
ional pilots off very large large military fields. They are all jet powered
=2C hence no danger of a prop strike. The Harrier has other means of very p
recise directional control near the ground.They were all designed many deca
des ago
Gliders and motorgliders all have very benign ground handling characteristi
cs=2C and are stearable with the rudder down to very low speeds. On takeoff
the towplane or winch provide additional directional control. I believe th
at the Europa monowheel is only really safe in the hands of a high time gli
der pilot.
And safety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the statistics s
peak for themselves.
The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so much gobbledigook
. There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels.
The original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is also o
ut of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass fields ?
Because a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for a
short field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.
I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airports.
Lastly=2C there are very few alternatives to the trigear. I can only think
of the Remos=2C with folding wings and a clamshell trailer. But that is in
a different price range.
Karl
<html><div></div>> Date: Thu=2C 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100> From: gr
ahamsingleton@btinternet.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: E
uropa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?> > --> Europa-List m
essage posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> > Garr
y wrote:> > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:> >
> > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider> > Glassflugel.............
..is a glider> > Schempp Hirth............is a glider> > DG Flugzeughbau...
........is a glider> > SZD...........is a glider> > U2..........I was unabl
e to determine if it was a monowheel or not> > ASW.........I was unable to
determine what it was> > > > The only real airplane I've found is the Fourn
ier RF 3=2C4=2C5=2C etc.> > > > Garry> U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildra
gger> Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger> btw most gliders are very real a
irplanes=2C many of them will cruise cross > country faster than a C152 as
long as the sun shines> far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built
in headwind.> btw 2. the mind is like a parachute=2C if it ain't open it's
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Karl,
You say: "I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved
airports." I guess you're in the US, then? The rest of the world does things
rather differently... hence many of your assumptions are, I'm afraid,
incorrect.
I am just one example of someone building a monowheel to operate with higher
performance out of a short, bumpy grass field. There are many like me!
Regards,
Jeremy
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: 25 September 2008 13:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Graham,
I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fields of GA
and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel setup like
the Europa for a factory built aircraft.
You are throwing in all these other types for comparison. None compare. The
military planes were for highly specialized tasks, flown by very
professional pilots off very large large military fields. They are all jet
powered, hence no danger of a prop strike. The Harrier has other means of
very precise directional control near the ground.They were all designed many
decades ago
Gliders and motorgliders all have very benign ground handling
characteristics, and are stearable with the rudder down to very low speeds.
On takeoff the towplane or winch provide additional directional control. I
believe that the Europa monowheel is only really safe in the hands of a high
time glider pilot.
And safety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the statistics
speak for themselves.
The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so much gobbledigook.
There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels.
The original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is also
out of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass fields ?
Because a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for a
short field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.
I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airports.
Lastly, there are very few alternatives to the trigear. I can only think of
the Remos, with folding wings and a clamshell trailer. But that is in a
different price range.
Karl
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100
> From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Garry wrote:
> > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:
> >
> > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider
> > Glassflugel...............is a glider
> > Schempp Hirth............is a glider
> > DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider
> > SZD...........is a glider
> > U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not
> > ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was
> >
> > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc.
> >
> > Garry
> U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger
> Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger
> btw most gliders are very real airplanes, many of them will cruise cross
> country faster than a C152 as long as the sun shines
> far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in headwind.
> btw 2. the mind is like a parachute, if it ain't open
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>====================
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Jab3300 Cowlings |
Hi Mike
Didn't your cowl come with 6 aluminum flanges to fasten to the lower cowl
that the upper cowl then slides over and can be fasten the the flanges?
Mine did and it works quite well. I can send you photos if needed.
Tom Friedland, ELN, WA
On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 8:49 PM, <DuaneFamly@aol.com> wrote:
> Good day....or night....to All,
>
> It's late here so I figure to post this and call it a night. For those that
> have the Jab3300 fitted to their aircraft I have a question. I have mounted
> the lower cowl...and have placed the upper cowl in place.....but then I
> started wondering....I can screw into the fuselage with the rear of the top
> cowl but what have people done to secure the front of the top cowl?....I
> would imagine the top bolts to the bottom....but what have "those that have
> gone before" done? Brackets? Plates?
> Mike Duane A207A
> Redding, California
> XS Conventional Gear
> Jabiru 3300
> Sensenich R64Z N
> Ground Adjustable Prop
>
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
bumpy,
grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking
on
one wheel!
Cheers
Rick
G-RIKS 912S Trike
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy
Davey
Sent: 25 September 2008 15:36
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Karl,
You say: =93I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved
airports.=94 I guess you=92re in the US, then? The rest of the world
does things
rather differently... hence many of your assumptions are, I=92m afraid,
incorrect.
I am just one example of someone building a monowheel to operate with
higher
performance out of a short, bumpy grass field. There are many like me!
Regards,
Jeremy
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: 25 September 2008 13:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Graham,
I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fields of
GA
and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel setup
like
the Europa for a factory built aircraft.
You are throwing in all these other types for comparison. None compare.
The
military planes were for highly specialized tasks, flown by very
professional pilots off very large large military fields. They are all
jet
powered, hence no danger of a prop strike. The Harrier has other means
of
very precise directional control near the ground.They were all designed
many
decades ago
Gliders and motorgliders all have very benign ground handling
characteristics, and are stearable with the rudder down to very low
speeds.
On takeoff the towplane or winch provide additional directional control.
I
believe that the Europa monowheel is only really safe in the hands of a
high
time glider pilot.
And safety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the
statistics
speak for themselves.
The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so much
gobbledigook.
There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels.
The original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is
also
out of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass
fields ?
Because a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for
a
short field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.
I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airports.
Lastly, there are very few alternatives to the trigear. I can only think
of
the Remos, with folding wings and a clamshell trailer. But that is in a
different price range.
Karl
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> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100
> From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Garry wrote:
> > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:
> >
> > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider
> > Glassflugel...............is a glider
> > Schempp Hirth............is a glider
> > DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider
> > SZD...........is a glider
> > U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not
> > ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was
> >
> > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc.
> >
> > Garry
> U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger
> Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger
> btw most gliders are very real airplanes, many of them will cruise
cross
> country faster than a C152 as long as the sun shines
> far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in headwind.
> btw 2. the mind is like a parachute, if it ain't open
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Rick,
Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the tail and
walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and taxi where
necessary.
And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
Bob Borger
Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick" <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk>
wrote:
>Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy,
>grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
>strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking on
>one wheel!
>
>Cheers
>
>Rick
>
>G-RIKS 912S Trike
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
I'm with Jeremy on this one. I've flown both, and the mono is superior to
the trike out of bumpy grass strips, of which we have several up here in
Scotland. And in fact my old home field of White Waltham could also be
described as such !
2008/9/25 Jeremy Davey <europaflyer_3@msn.com>
> Karl,
>
>
> You say: "I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved
> airports." I guess you're in the US, then? The rest of the world does
> things rather differently... hence many of your assumptions are, I'm afraid,
> incorrect.
>
>
> I am just one example of someone building a monowheel to operate with
> higher performance out of a short, bumpy grass field. There are many like
> me!
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> *From:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Karl Heindl
> *Sent:* 25 September 2008 13:15
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
> Graham,
>
> I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fields of GA
> and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel setup like
> the Europa for a factory built aircraft.
> You are throwing in all these other types for comparison. None compare. The
> military planes were for highly specialized tasks, flown by very
> professional pilots off very large large military fields. They are all jet
> powered, hence no danger of a prop strike. The Harrier has other means of
> very precise directional control near the ground.They were all designed many
> decades ago
> Gliders and motorgliders all have very benign ground handling
> characteristics, and are stearable with the rudder down to very low speeds.
> On takeoff the towplane or winch provide additional directional control. I
> believe that the Europa monowheel is only really safe in the hands of a high
> time glider pilot.
> And safety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the statistics
> speak for themselves.
>
> The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so much
> gobbledigook. There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels.
> The original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is also
> out of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass fields ?
> Because a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for a
> short field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.
> I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airports.
> Lastly, there are very few alternatives to the trigear. I can only think of
> the Remos, with folding wings and a clamshell trailer. But that is in a
> different price range.
>
> Karl
>
>
> <html><div></div>
>
> > Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100
> > From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
> >
> grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
> >
> > Garry wrote:
> > > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:
> > >
> > > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider
> > > Glassflugel...............is a glider
> > > Schempp Hirth............is a glider
> > > DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider
> > > SZD...........is a glider
> > > U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not
> > > ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was
> > >
> > > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc.
> > >
> > > Garry
> > U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger
> > Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger
> > btw most gliders are very real airplanes, many of them will cruise cross
> > country faster than a C152 as long as the sun shines
> > far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in headwind.
> > btw 2. the mind is like a parachute, if it ain't open
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Karl.
I have rarely read so much incorrect and misleading information in one email
on the forum.
I and lots of other owners I know operate our monowheel Europa's out of
grass strips in farmers fields.
I could list the other comments that are without foundation but just for one
I would like to know of a trigear that will outperform a similarly equipped
monowheel. Most trigears have the more powerful engine options ! and almost
always use more litres per hour than I get.
I do agree that Europa trigears are very nice aeroplanes and their owners
should be very proud of them.
Tim
_____
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: 25 September 2008 13:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Graham,
I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fields of GA
and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel setup like
the Europa for a factory built aircraft.
You are throwing in all these other types for comparison. None compare. The
military planes were for highly specialized tasks, flown by very
professional pilots off very large large military fields. They are all jet
powered, hence no danger of a prop strike. The Harrier has other means of
very precise directional control near the ground.They were all designed many
decades ago
Gliders and motorgliders all have very benign ground handling
characteristics, and are stearable with the rudder down to very low speeds.
On takeoff the towplane or winch provide additional directional control. I
believe that the Europa monowheel is only really safe in the hands of a high
time glider pilot.
And safety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the statistics
speak for themselves.
The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so much gobbledigook.
There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels.
The original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is also
out of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass fields ?
Because a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for a
short field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.
I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airports.
Lastly, there are very few alternatives to the trigear. I can only think of
the Remos, with folding wings and a clamshell trailer. But that is in a
different price range.
Karl
<html><div></div>
> Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100
> From: grahamsingleton@btinternet.com
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
<grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> Garry wrote:
> > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:
> >
> > Schleiker K14............is a motor glider
> > Glassflugel...............is a glider
> > Schempp Hirth............is a glider
> > DG Flugzeughbau...........is a glider
> > SZD...........is a glider
> > U2..........I was unable to determine if it was a monowheel or not
> > ASW.........I was unable to determine what it was
> >
> > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3,4,5, etc.
> >
> > Garry
> U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger
> Harrier is a monowheel nose dragger
> btw most gliders are very real airplanes, many of them will cruise cross
> country faster than a C152 as long as the sun shines
> far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in headwind.
> btw 2. the mind is like a parachute, if it ain't open
i=====================
>====================
>
>
>
6:29 AM
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What at my age! Besides I might get my feet wet.
Pussy Morris
G-RIKS
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
Sent: 25 September 2008 17:12
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Rick,
Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the tail
and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and taxi
where necessary.
And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
Bob Borger
Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick"
<rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:
>Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
>bumpy, grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after
>backtracking in a strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike
>using full braking on one wheel!
>
>Cheers
>
>Rick
>
>G-RIKS 912S Trike
Checked by AVG.
07:05
Checked by AVG.
07:05
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Puss,
I guess that little kids like me (I'm only 62) have to be considerate of you elderly
gents :^)
Bob
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 11:32AM, "rick" <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk>
wrote:
>
>What at my age! Besides I might get my feet wet.
>
>Pussy Morris
>
>G-RIKS
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger
>Sent: 25 September 2008 17:12
>To: europa-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
>Rick,
>
>Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the tail
>and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and taxi
>where necessary.
>
>And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>
>Bob Borger
>Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
>99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>
>On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick"
><rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:
>>Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
>>bumpy, grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after
>>backtracking in a strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike
>>using full braking on one wheel!
>>
>>Cheers
>>
>>Rick
>>
>>G-RIKS 912S Trike
>
>
>Checked by AVG.
>07:05
>
>
>Checked by AVG.
>07:05
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Fri 26th Panshanger |
Hi Paddy
I hope to be there, but a little later than the usual midday, more like
13.00.
Look forward to seeing you and the lads.
Regards
Ray Wren
G-LGOC - AT3 on hire but equipped with Rotax 912s engine
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On Thursday, Sep 25, 2008, at 08:11 US/Pacific, rick wrote:
> Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
> bumpy, grass-strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after
> backtracking in a strong wind.- I sometimes have trouble with-my trik
e
> using full braking on one wheel!-
!!...touche'...that needle do twist nicely...ouch...always nice to
recognise the depth of our commitment to our respective
decisions...pity we tend to cloak ourselves in claims of rationality
for what is, IMO, an essentially irrational enterprise...but I love
this thread which again, IMO, celebrates the extreme flexibility of a
wonderful airframe which sees such variety (mono, trigear, conventional
taildragger, short wings/long wings, Rotax, Soobs, Jabs, CAM/Honda,
Smart Brabus, O-200, and what next?)
Fred
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Jeremy=2C
I guess I was jumping to conclusions about the grass strips. I am based at
a grass strip in Canada=2C but you are right about the US. I don't think th
at there is a single grass strip at an airport financed by public funds.
Also=2C some monos will of course outperform all trigears by a small amount
. But what does it all matter anyway=2C so long as we are all having fun.
Karl<html><div></div>
From: europaflyer_3@msn.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Europa
-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?Date: Thu=2C 25 Sep 2008 1
5:36:27 +0100
Karl=2C
You say: =93I think that almost all Europas are operating out of paved airp
orts.=94 I guess you=92re in the US=2C then? The rest of the world does thi
ngs rather differently... hence many of your assumptions are=2C I=92m afrai
d=2C incorrect.
I am just one example of someone building a monowheel to operate with highe
r performance out of a short=2C bumpy grass field. There are many like me!
Regards=2C
Jeremy
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv
er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl HeindlSent: 25 September 2008 13:15To:
europa-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any
others out there?
Graham=2C I think what Garry meant was that no aircraft designer in the fi
elds of GA and commercial aviation would dream of recommending a monowheel
setup like the Europa for a factory built aircraft.You are throwing in all
these other types for comparison. None compare. The military planes were fo
r highly specialized tasks=2C flown by very professional pilots off very la
rge large military fields. They are all jet powered=2C hence no danger of a
prop strike. The Harrier has other means of very precise directional contr
ol near the ground.They were all designed many decades agoGliders and motor
gliders all have very benign ground handling characteristics=2C and are ste
arable with the rudder down to very low speeds. On takeoff the towplane or
winch provide additional directional control. I believe that the Europa mon
owheel is only really safe in the hands of a high time glider pilot.And saf
ety is really the bottom line in this argument. let the statistics speak fo
r themselves. The performance claims for the monowheel are also just so muc
h gobbledigook. There are some trigears that outperform most monowheels. Th
e original concept of being able to land on any farm field etc. is also out
of dreamland. Why do monowheel pilots shy away from short grass fields ? B
ecause a full flap and high aoa takeoff is the last thing you want for a sh
ort field takeoff from a bumpy grass field.I think that almost all Europas
are operating out of paved airports.Lastly=2C there are very few alternativ
es to the trigear. I can only think of the Remos=2C with folding wings and
a clamshell trailer. But that is in a different price range. Karl <html><d
iv></div>> Date: Thu=2C 25 Sep 2008 00:52:36 +0100> From: grahamsing
leton@btinternet.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-Li
st: Monowheel designs... any others out there?> > --> Europa-List message p
osted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>> > Garry wrote:
> > Examples of monowheel designs have been proposed as follows:> > > > Sch
leiker K14............is a motor glider> > Glassflugel...............is a g
lider> > Schempp Hirth............is a glider> > DG Flugzeughbau...........
is a glider> > SZD...........is a glider> > U2..........I was unable to det
ermine if it was a monowheel or not> > ASW.........I was unable to determin
e what it was> > > > The only real airplane I've found is the Fournier RF 3
=2C4=2C5=2C etc.> > > > Garry> U2 is definitely a monowheel/taildragger> Ha
rrier is a monowheel nose dragger> btw most gliders are very real airplanes
=2C many of them will cruise cross > country faster than a C152 as long as
the sun shines> far too many "real??" airplanes have too much built in head
wind.> btw 2. the mind is like a parachute=2C if it ain't open i===
===================>=====
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s.com/Navigator?Europa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.
com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Bob,
Typical mono=B4s tailwheel weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.
So picking it up is possible for quite a strong person but
I do not recommend it because there is a risk to hurt your back
or plane=B4s rudder etc.
More sophisticated way is to use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.
Even a rope is ok but you cannot push w it.
Raimo w Mono
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
> Rick,
>
> Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the
tail and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine
and taxi where necessary.
>
> And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>
> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick"
<rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:
> >Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
bumpy,
> >grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in
a
> >strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full
braking on
> >one wheel!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >G-RIKS 912S Trike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | New tandem wheel flying wing biplane - this one's different! |
Would love to build this one in my spare time. Original was 78 sq ft and
172 lbs with engine. I have scaled it up to 110 sq ft=2C built it in X-pl
ane with 50 hp=2C goes 160 mph=2C flies wonderful using NACA 23012 airfoil
=2C stalls at 35=2C although it just does the canard stall=2C bobbing it's
nose gently in the breeze.
http://www.ligeti-stratos.com/
Glenn
designs... any others out there?From: fklein@orcasonline.comTo: europa-list
@matronics.com
On Thursday=2C Sep 25=2C 2008=2C at 08:11 US/Pacific=2C rick wrote:
Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short=2C very bumpy
=2C grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking on
one wheel! !!...touche'...that needle do twist nicely...ouch...always nice
to recognise the depth of our commitment to our respective decisions...pit
y we tend to cloak ourselves in claims of rationality for what is=2C IMO=2C
an essentially irrational enterprise...but I love this thread which again
=2C IMO=2C celebrates the extreme flexibility of a wonderful airframe which
sees such variety (mono=2C trigear=2C conventional taildragger=2C short wi
ngs/long wings=2C Rotax=2C Soobs=2C Jabs=2C CAM/Honda=2C Smart Brabus=2C O-
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Hi Paddy,
Sorry, can't do the DOTH tomorrow - would have been nice but I have to be a
good lad at the moment and undertake domestic chores having just spent 5K for
our November Holiday in Jamaica!!
Could you let me have your address so that I can send the Horizon to you.
kind regards and safe flying
Trev
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Raimo,
I just did the weight and balance on my Europa last weekend. 78 lbs on my tailwheel.
I lifted it off the floor onto the box holding the scale to make it level.
I often lift the tail slightly to swing it around when my tow strap won't
cooperate. It's not that difficult to lift.
Having said that, I plan to make up a tail towbar as soon as possible. It should
make moving the aircraft much easier than the tow strap I currently use to
drag the aircraft back into the hanger.
Bob
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 01:33PM, "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Typical monos tailwheel weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.
>So picking it up is possible for quite a strong person but
>I do not recommend it because there is a risk to hurt your back
>or planes rudder etc.
>
>More sophisticated way is to use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.
>Even a rope is ok but you cannot push w it.
>
>Raimo w Mono
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:11 PM
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the tail
and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and taxi where
necessary.
>>
>> And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>>
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
>> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick" <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk>
wrote:
>> >Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy,
>> >grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
>> >strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking on
>> >one wheel!
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >G-RIKS 912S Trike
>>
>> > > > >
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
I remember hearing from somewhere you could force a monowheel to turn
sharper than its planted tailwheel turning radius. It was probably
something like a mini groundloop where you would add a bit of power and
perhaps release some back pressure and skid the tailwheel around a bit??
Does anyone practice this? With an XS? On pavement or only grass?
Good results?
Are risks worth it? Like for instance if outrigger collapsed you may be
doing a lot more repair than painting a scuff? Or??
Ron Parigoris
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Bob,
I put my back out doing exactly that. Long recovery. Watch out.
Tim
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
PH 0064 3 3515166
MOB 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:33 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Bob,
Typical monos tailwheel weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.
So picking it up is possible for quite a strong person but
I do not recommend it because there is a risk to hurt your back
or planes rudder etc.
More sophisticated way is to use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.
Even a rope is ok but you cannot push w it.
Raimo w Mono
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:11 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
> Rick,
>
> Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the
> tail and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and
> taxi where necessary.
>
> And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>
> Bob Borger
> Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>
> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick"
> <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:
> >Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy,
> >grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
> >strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking
> >on
> >one wheel!
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Rick
> >
> >G-RIKS 912S Trike
>
> > > > >
>
>
>
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Bob, be carefull!
Believe me, there are risks to lift it (ask your doctor)!
Raimo
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
Raimo,
I just did the weight and balance on my Europa last weekend. 78 lbs on my tailwheel.
I lifted it off the floor onto the box holding the scale to make it level.
I often lift the tail slightly to swing it around when my tow strap won't
cooperate. It's not that difficult to lift.
Having said that, I plan to make up a tail towbar as soon as possible. It should
make moving the aircraft much easier than the tow strap I currently use to
drag the aircraft back into the hanger.
Bob
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 01:33PM, "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
>Bob,
>
>Typical monos tailwheel weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.
>So picking it up is possible for quite a strong person but
>I do not recommend it because there is a risk to hurt your back
>or planes rudder etc.
>
>More sophisticated way is to use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.
>Even a rope is ok but you cannot push w it.
>
>Raimo w Mono
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:11 PM
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the tail
and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and taxi where
necessary.
>>
>> And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>>
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
>> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick" <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk>
wrote:
>> >Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy,
>> >grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
>> >strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking on
>> >one wheel!
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >G-RIKS 912S Trike
>>
>> > > > >
>>
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Tim,
Roger, wilco... I need a better towbar and tow rope.
Bob
On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 02:49PM, <ward.t@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>Bob,
>I put my back out doing exactly that. Long recovery. Watch out.
>Tim
>12 Waiwetu Street
>Fendalton,
>Christchurch
>NEW ZEALAND
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>ward.t@xtra.co.nz
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 6:33 AM
>Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
>Bob,
>
>Typical monos tailwheel weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.
>So picking it up is possible for quite a strong person but
>I do not recommend it because there is a risk to hurt your back
>or planes rudder etc.
>
>More sophisticated way is to use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.
>Even a rope is ok but you cannot push w it.
>
>Raimo w Mono
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>
>To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 7:11 PM
>Subject: RE: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
>
>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> Sure, you just stop the engine, climb out, go around back, pick up the
>> tail and walk it around. Then you can get back in, restart the engine and
>> taxi where necessary.
>>
>> And I'm only being a bit facetious ;-}
>>
>> Bob Borger
>> Europa XS Monowheel, Intercooled Rotax 914 & Airmaster C/S Prop.
>> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.
>>
>> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 10:11AM, "rick"
>> <rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:
>> >Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy,
>> >grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a
>> >strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking
>> >on
>> >one wheel!
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >
>> >Rick
>> >
>> >G-RIKS 912S Trike
>>
>> > > > >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Ron,
I did it many times during last winter.
I have to point it was always slippery snow or ice surface.
It was very fun and it circled like carrousel (merry-go-round) easily
around mainwheel, which stayed on its place.
I would not dry it on any surface with more friction.
Raimo OH-XRT
----- Original Message -----
From: <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?
>
> I remember hearing from somewhere you could force a monowheel to turn
> sharper than its planted tailwheel turning radius. It was probably
> something like a mini groundloop where you would add a bit of power
and
> perhaps release some back pressure and skid the tailwheel around a
bit??
>
> Does anyone practice this? With an XS? On pavement or only grass?
>
> Good results?
>
> Are risks worth it? Like for instance if outrigger collapsed you may
be
> doing a lot more repair than painting a scuff? Or??
>
> Ron Parigoris
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Fred Klein wrote:
>
> Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very
> bumpy, grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after
> backtracking in a strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my
> trike using full braking on one wheel!
>
>
> !!.../touche'/...that needle do twist nicely.../ouch/...always nice to
> recognise the depth of our commitment to our respective
> decisions...pity we tend to cloak ourselves in claims of rationality
> for what is, IMO, an essentially irrational enterprise...but I love
> this thread which again, IMO, celebrates the extreme flexibility of a
> wonderful airframe which sees such variety (mono, trigear,
> conventional taildragger, short wings/long wings, Rotax, Soobs, Jabs,
> CAM/Honda, Smart Brabus, O-200, and what next?)
>
> Fred
> A194
look forward to hearing how your shapely wing fillets perform, Fred :-)
Graham
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| Subject: | Fw: DOTH Scilly Isles |
DOTH Scilly IslesAnyone up for a DOTH tomorrow?
Voucher in September 'Flyer'.
My own plan is to go Friday and return Saturday.
Duncan McF
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| Subject: | Re: cockpit module alignment |
I had the same problem and was told to remove the foam locally from the
inside of the fuselage where it was contacting the torque tube and then
patch over the exposed area with 2 ply of bid there by creating the
clearance required. Regards richard
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rowland & Wilma Carson" <rowil@clara.net>
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:40 PM
Subject: Europa-List: cockpit module alignment
> I've managed to be ill in bed with a fever during the recent dry
> weather and so missed a chance to do the spar bush alignemnt stuff
> outdoors, but I have another problem that's bothering me.
>
> I attach 6 fairly small pictures which I hope illustrate what I'm
> talking about.
>
> I have fitted the bearings for both ends of the CS05 torque tubes and
> was pretty happy with the way it was all going until I put the
> cockpit module into the lower fuselage moulding (see picture
> DSCN2491.jpg) to do the check of stick movement as advised in the
> manual (page 13-10). If I don't sit in the CM, all is fine and
> movement of the sticks is constrained only by the cockpit sides and
> tunnel. However, when I sit in it, the movement is considerably
> reduced; with only about 100mm deflection left or right from centre
> at the top of the stick, there's a graunching noise as the corners of
> CS07/08 scrape against the fuselage floor.
>
> You'll see in the picture that the outlines of the brown foam inserts
> in the lower moulding don't seem to have any real relationship with
> the various cutouts and shapes of the CM. I'd have thought that
> perhaps they would line up in places. They are not even symmetrical
> port & starboard (the seats, on my CM anyway, have slightly different
> shapes P & S).
>
> I phoned up the factory when I found this and Roger assured me that
> all will be well when the CM & lower moulding are bonded and thus
> stiffened. However, as I look at things more closely, I am not much
> comforted by that.
>
> The cockpit flange at the bottom of the seat backrest is supported by
> only fresh air, in the middle of the green area across the middle of
> picture DSCN2496.jpg, and any pressure on the seat pan will bend the
> CM down into that depression. That causes CS07/08 to touch the
> fuselage floor where the small black marks can be seen on the brown
> area at the rear of the green stripe. I checked that the clearance
> for CS07/08 is correct (~6mm) as per the manual (picture
> DSCN2501.jpg), but the depression in the green stripe is about 4mm
> deep (picture DSCN2513.jpg) so if the CM is pushed down ito that
> locally the clearance will be badly compromised.
>
> Picture DSCN2515.jpg shows the width of the green depression, with a
> ruler placed against the port CS07/08 witness mark. The depression
> lies from about 25mm to 100mm on the ruler. Picture DSCN2516.jpg
> shows the same ruler positioned on the CM underside against CS07,
> demonstrating that the CM flange across the seat-backs falls between
> the 25mm mark and the 100mm mark.
>
> I think the engineering solution is to put packing between the CM and
> the fuselage where there is no foam layer, so that the Redux will not
> need to bridge the full 4mm gap. But what packing? It's got to be at
> least as strong as the Redux. Maybe I should go the (expensive) route
> of putting in a layer of Redux first with release film to fill the
> gap, as I did on the ribs when closing the wings.
>
> Has anyone else found this problem? Or is my CM/fuselage moulding a
> mismatched pair?
>
> All input appreciated!
>
> regards
>
> Rowland
> --
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| Subject: | Monowheel designs... any others out there? |
Why lift it?
Most mono's will have lost the little pin that restricts the turning of the
tail wheel. To spin the aircraft on the wheel=2C simply lift the wing to k
eep the outrigger wheel off the ground=2C and push the wing rearward. Easy
peasy!
Please! I do not wish to start a chain of correspondence about the value of
the missing pin.
Cheers.
Bryan. Ps sorry I cant make the Doth.
> From: raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Eu
ropa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?> Date: Thu=2C 25 Sep
aimo.toivio@rwm.fi>> > Bob=2C be carefull!> Believe me=2C there are risks t
o lift it (ask your doctor)!> > Raimo> ----- Original Message ----- > From:
"Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>> Sent:
Thursday=2C September 25=2C 2008 9:50 PM> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowh
eel designs... any others out there?> > > --> Europa-List message posted by
: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>> > Raimo=2C> > I just did the weight and
balance on my Europa last weekend. 78 lbs on my tailwheel. I lifted it off
the floor onto the box holding the scale to make it level. I often lift th
e tail slightly to swing it around when my tow strap won't cooperate. It's
not that difficult to lift.> > Having said that=2C I plan to make up a tail
towbar as soon as possible. It should make moving the aircraft much easier
than the tow strap I currently use to drag the aircraft back into the hang
er.> > Bob> > On Thursday=2C September 25=2C 2008=2C at 01:33PM=2C "Raimo T
oivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi> wrote:> >Bob=2C> >> >Typical mono=B4s tailwhee
l weight is around 35 kgs = 77 lbs.> >So picking it up is possible for qu
ite a strong person but> >I do not recommend it because there is a risk to
hurt your back> >or plane=B4s rudder etc.> >> >More sophisticated way is to
use lightweight pushable/pullable towbar.> >Even a rope is ok but you cann
ot push w it.> >> >Raimo w Mono> >> >> >> >> >> >----- Original Message ---
-- > >From: "Robert Borger" <rlborger@mac.com>> >To: <europa-list@matronics
.com>> >Sent: Thursday=2C September 25=2C 2008 7:11 PM> >Subject: RE: Europ
a-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there?> >> >> >> --> Europa-Lis
t message posted by: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>> >> > >> Rick=2C> >>
> >> Sure=2C you just stop the engine=2C climb out=2C go around back=2C pic
k up the tail and walk it around. Then you can get back in=2C restart the e
ngine and taxi where necessary.> >> > >> And I'm only being a bit facetious
=3B-}> >> > >> Bob Borger> >> Europa XS Monowheel=2C Intercooled Rotax 914
& Airmaster C/S Prop.> >> 99.9% complete. Chasing gremlins in the radio.>
>> > >> On Thursday=2C September 25=2C 2008=2C at 10:11AM=2C "rick" <rick@a
mimotormanagement.co.uk> wrote:> >> >Just as a matter of interest could I t
urn a Mono on my short=2C very bumpy=2C> >> >grass strip (max 20' wide with
no turning area) after backtracking in a> >> >strong wind. I sometimes hav
e trouble with my trike using full braking on> >> >one wheel! > >> > > >> >
Cheers> >> > > >> >Rick> >> > > >> >G-RIKS 912S Trike> >> > >> > > > > > >>
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| Subject: | Europa wingroot fairing |
Graham...I am too...here's a couple of pixs of a pair mocked up on Jeff
Roberts' trigear, Gold Rush, taken at the Rough River Europa Fly In.
I'm going to be sending a set to Jeff Behrens who will be installing
them on his trigear, Baby Blue; hopefully he will be able to post some
before and after performance data. Bit of a hold up at the moment while
I deal with an underside closure panel aft of the flap. Although the
fairing's been designed as a 3 piece unit (foreward portion to be
bonded to the wing, part of the aft portion to be bonded to the flap,
and rearmost to become part of the fuselage) in order to allow
transport on the standard monowheel trailer, Jeff is planning on
installing it in 2 pieces, allowing the aft portion to bond to the
fuselage w/ the flap retracting up to mate w/ the fairing. Thanks for
enquiring,
Fred
A194
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> look forward to hearing how your shapely wing fillets perform, Fred :-)
> Graham
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| Subject: | Re: Jab3300 Cowlings |
If I received these clips with the FWF kit I'll have to give a good look around
because I don't remember seeing them. If you have a few pix of these clips, it
might jog my memory.
Thanks.
Mike
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| Subject: | Europa wing root fairings |
Graham...I am too...here's a couple of pixs of a pair mocked up on Jeff
Roberts' trigear, Gold Rush, taken at the Rough River Europa Fly In.
I'm going to be sending a set to Jeff Behrens who will be installing
them on his trigear, Baby Blue; hopefully he will be able to post some
before and after performance data. Bit of a hold up at the moment while
I deal with an underside closure panel aft of the flap. Although the
fairing's been designed as a 3 piece unit (foreward portion to be
bonded to the wing, part of the aft portion to be bonded to the flap,
and rearmost to become part of the fuselage) in order to allow
transport on the standard monowheel trailer, Jeff is planning on
installing it in 2 pieces, allowing the aft portion to bond to the
fuselage w/ the flap retracting up to mate w/ the fairing. Thanks for
enquiring,
Fred
A194
> <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
>
> look forward to hearing how your shapely wing fillets perform, Fred :-)
> Graham
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