---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/26/08: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:57 AM - 100% Bio-Diesel Flight (Raimo Toivio) 2. 03:03 AM - Re: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight (Frans Veldman) 3. 04:40 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home (Richard Collings) 4. 05:47 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home (Christoph Both) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Europa wingroot fairing (JEFF ROBERTS) 6. 07:48 AM - Mono Turning (rick) 7. 10:40 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home (david miller) 8. 11:39 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home (Bill Henderson) 9. 11:53 AM - Re: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home (Karl Heindl) 10. 11:54 AM - Mod 33 Water Drains (Jerry Rehn) 11. 12:05 PM - Re: Mod 33 Water Drains (Karl Heindl) 12. 12:50 PM - Re: towbar (Raimo Toivio) 13. 01:12 PM - Re: Mod 33 Water Drains (Robert C Harrison) 14. 01:16 PM - Re: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight (karelvranken) 15. 03:08 PM - Re: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight (Raimo Toivio) 16. 03:49 PM - Re: Jab3300 Cowlings (Tom Friedland) 17. 04:09 PM - Re: (SPAM) Mono Turning (Raimo Toivio) 18. 06:07 PM - Re: New tandem wheel flying wing biplane - this one's different! (craig bastin) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:57:25 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight All This is quite far from Europa world (except Wilkch-operators) but maybe you are interested: My friend Mr Jarmo Hakala made a succesfull 40 minutes flight with his only-one-in-the-world Pik 25 OH-XXV powered with 100% Bio-Diesel. Fuel was regenerated from vegetable oil and those people who were there said the smell after take-off was similar to McDonald=B4s. After flight those people with Mr Hakala "cheers" with that drinkable fuel. Official supervisor for that event in Jarmo=B4s own airport EFNS was Mr P Teravainen That was probably first time in the aviation history. Google OH-XXV Regards, Raimo PS: he was early days a potential Europa builder but assumed to be too tall 193 cm /76". ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:03:47 AM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight Raimo Toivio wrote: > My friend Mr Jarmo Hakala made a succesfull 40 minutes flight with his only-one-in-the-world > Pik 25 OH-XXV powered with 100% Bio-Diesel. Fuel was regenerated from vegetable oil > and those people who were there said the smell after take-off was similar to McDonalds. My car drives at 100% Bio-Diesel, but I wouldn't dare to try it in an airplane. There are lot's of unsolved issues and threats to the engine and fuel system. The fuel may contain fatty acids, consuming the fuel pump inards at a slowly pace. There can be a lot of moisture in the fuel, and the fuel is quite capable to hide it (contains some natural emulgators), and release it when the temperature gets colder or the ambient pressure changes. I guess I don't have to explain the differences between airplanes and cars on this forum... ;-) Some of the liquid fats solidify when the temperature decreases. You might well discover at your cruise altitude that the contents of the fuel tank suddenly converts into solid grease. The only advantage is that it won't burst into flames at the subsequent forced landing, but is actually quite helpfull into making this into a "smooth" event. > That was probably first time in the aviation history. I'm not seeing a future here, unless someone sets up an aviation standard to which the fuel must comply, and you can get fuel certified to that standard. Best regards, Frans Veldman ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:07 AM PST US From: "Richard Collings" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home Hi David , I am not interested in buying your prop as you can see I am along way off across "the pond" but your email has prompted me to ask the question "which prop and how many blades" ? You obviously have some experience with a 2 bladed prop and I am sorry for your troubles but are going to stay with 2 blades or change to 3? I know that 3 bladed props look sexier but I understand they are less efficient cost more and weigh more. I plan to fit a variable pitch prop of some sort onto my Trigear and see an advantage in keeping the weight down as I only have 80 hp. Informed comment on this topic would be appreciated. Regards all Richard Collings [working towards closing the fuselage] ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home > > All, > > I've given up on ever getting my problems with this prop sorted by > Woodcomp. > They started when the motor came loose, the replacement motor > supplied by the factory and > installed by the Canadian rep now groans and complains, before > popping the circuit breaker. > Prop is off my 912S tri-gear and has not suffered any impact damage, > it has less than 50 hours on it. > > It may be of use to someone who would like to have spare blades etc > on hand, or who is in a position to > take it back to Woodcomp for a complete overhaul. > > Rather than leave it on the hangar wall as an ongoing reminder of a > most unsatisfactory purchase, > it is for sale, any offer over $1 will be considered ! > > Dave, C-FBZI > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7:05 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:49 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home From: "Christoph Both" Hi Richard: Do you have a classic? I purchased the Woodcomp SR3000 2-blade with the scimitar blades with the classic spinner. The prop is ready to bolt on, with the spinner readily mounted and painted and the entire unit pre-balanced from the factory. Look at the time savings right there! Not yet installed but I was attracted by the relatively low eight of 8kg for the 2-blade compared to 12 kg 3-blade, and this is for a CS type. This much less weight might allow me to keep my Odyssey battery up front thus eliminating another 3-4 lbs of extra cables and resulting lower voltage to the alternator when starting my 912S with a non-HD starter (the classic does not have room for the HD starter). The other reason for 2 blade is that I do have also a set of glider wings and want less resistance while gliding. The prop appears to be well made and the blades have a progressive angle of attach as well as increased blade width towards the centre. So they will move a lot more air towards cooling of my classic cowling. Oh yes, it will also be a breeze to take the top cowling off which in the classic needs to slide forward and there would be the "darn" third blade always in the way. Yes, while gliding it will be set to cover the cooling openings and my view is not obstructed by a blade I am looking at all the time. It came with a nice painting option at no extra cost: black facing you and white viewed from the front. Best of all, including taxes shipping etc, I came out about 1/2 price of the Airmaster! Christoph Both #223 Wolfville NS ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Richard Collings Sent: Fri 9/26/2008 8:38 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home Hi David , I am not interested in buying your prop as you can see I am along way off across "the pond" but your email has prompted me to ask the question "which prop and how many blades" ? You obviously have some experience with a 2 bladed prop and I am sorry for your troubles but are going to stay with 2 blades or change to 3? I know that 3 bladed props look sexier but I understand they are less efficient cost more and weigh more. I plan to fit a variable pitch prop of some sort onto my Trigear and see an advantage in keeping the weight down as I only have 80 hp. Informed comment on this topic would be appreciated. Regards all Richard Collings [working towards closing the fuselage] ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:55 PM Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home > > All, > > I've given up on ever getting my problems with this prop sorted by > Woodcomp. > They started when the motor came loose, the replacement motor > supplied by the factory and > installed by the Canadian rep now groans and complains, before > popping the circuit breaker. > Prop is off my 912S tri-gear and has not suffered any impact damage, > it has less than 50 hours on it. > > It may be of use to someone who would like to have spare blades etc > on hand, or who is in a position to > take it back to Woodcomp for a complete overhaul. > > Rather than leave it on the hangar wall as an ongoing reminder of a > most unsatisfactory purchase, > it is for sale, any offer over $1 will be considered ! > > Dave, C-FBZI > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 7:05 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:46 AM PST US From: JEFF ROBERTS Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa wingroot fairing Fred, Can we get a set with the loaded wallet? ;o) Jeff R. A258 - N128LJ / Gold Rush 160 hours and climbing slowly. On Sep 25, 2008, at 7:56 PM, Fred Klein wrote: > Graham...I am too...here's a couple of pixs of a pair mocked up on > Jeff Roberts' trigear, Gold Rush, taken at the Rough River Europa Fly > In. I'm going to be sending a set to Jeff Behrens who will be > installing them on his trigear, Baby Blue; hopefully he will be able > to post some before and after performance data. Bit of a hold up at > the moment while I deal with an underside closure panel aft of the > flap. Although the fairing's been designed as a 3 piece unit (foreward > portion to be bonded to the wing, part of the aft portion to be bonded > to the flap, and rearmost to become part of the fuselage) in order to > allow transport on the standard monowheel trailer, Jeff is planning on > installing it in 2 pieces, allowing the aft portion to bond to the > fuselage w/ the flap retracting up to mate w/ the fairing. Thanks for > enquiring, > > Fred > A194 > > >> >> >> look forward to hearing how your shapely wing fillets perform, Fred >> :-) >> Graham > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > Roll 53 - 21 > > > > Roll 53 - 22 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:09 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: Europa-List: Mono Turning Hi all I have to apologise to all mono owners. I suggested, through pure ignorance, that it may be a problem turning a mono in the width of my strip. I have since asked a good friend who owns both a mono and a trike and he said there is very little difference but that you need to be a bit more skilful and have a bit more thought to the power input, the wind direction and the brake application in a mono. Sorry mono boys. Still the trike with a 912S and a VP prop makes a bloody good STOL bumpy, grass strip plane. Best Wishes Rick Checked by AVG. 07:35 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:34 AM PST US From: david miller Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home Hi Richard, My Woodcomp was the 3 blade model, as well as mechanical problems, I had electrical problems with it from day 1. It will now be used it as a ground test prop, on the ground it should be safe. I know users in the UK have been generally happy with their Woodcomps, but on this side of the pond, I would suggest that the buyer beware as service is poor to say the least. When my finances allow, I will switch from my current Warp Drive, which is a good inexpensive prop, to a ground adjustable 2 blade Sensenich composite. Dave On 26-Sep-08, at 7:38 AM, Richard Collings wrote: > > > Hi David , I am not interested in buying your prop as you can see I > am along way off across "the pond" but your email has prompted me > to ask the question "which prop and how many blades" ? You > obviously have some experience with a 2 bladed prop and I am sorry > for your troubles but > are going to stay with 2 blades or change to 3? I know that 3 > bladed props look sexier but I understand they are less efficient > cost more and weigh more. I plan to fit a variable pitch prop of > some sort onto my Trigear and see an advantage in keeping the > weight down as I only have 80 hp. Informed comment on this topic > would be appreciated. Regards all Richard Collings [working > towards closing the fuselage] > ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" > > To: > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:55 PM > Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good > home > > >> >> >> All, >> >> I've given up on ever getting my problems with this prop sorted by >> Woodcomp. >> They started when the motor came loose, the replacement motor >> supplied by the factory and >> installed by the Canadian rep now groans and complains, before >> popping the circuit breaker. >> Prop is off my 912S tri-gear and has not suffered any impact damage, >> it has less than 50 hours on it. >> >> It may be of use to someone who would like to have spare blades etc >> on hand, or who is in a position to >> take it back to Woodcomp for a complete overhaul. >> >> Rather than leave it on the hangar wall as an ongoing reminder of a >> most unsatisfactory purchase, >> it is for sale, any offer over $1 will be considered ! >> >> Dave, C-FBZI >> >> >> >> > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > 7:05 AM > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:39:08 AM PST US From: "Bill Henderson" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home David, Please keep me in mind when you are ready to purchase a new prop. I might be interested in the Warp Drive. Thanks, Bill A010 Classic Monowheel ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 1:46 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home > > Hi Richard, > > My Woodcomp was the 3 blade model, as well as mechanical problems, I had > electrical problems with it from day 1. > It will now be used it as a ground test prop, on the ground it should be > safe. > I know users in the UK have been generally happy with their Woodcomps, > but on this side of the pond, I would suggest that > the buyer beware as service is poor to say the least. > > When my finances allow, I will switch from my current Warp Drive, which > is a good inexpensive prop, to a ground adjustable > 2 blade Sensenich composite. > > Dave > On 26-Sep-08, at 7:38 AM, Richard Collings wrote: > >> >> >> Hi David , I am not interested in buying your prop as you can see I am >> along way off across "the pond" but your email has prompted me to ask >> the question "which prop and how many blades" ? You obviously have some >> experience with a 2 bladed prop and I am sorry for your troubles but >> are going to stay with 2 blades or change to 3? I know that 3 bladed >> props look sexier but I understand they are less efficient cost more and >> weigh more. I plan to fit a variable pitch prop of some sort onto my >> Trigear and see an advantage in keeping the weight down as I only have >> 80 hp. Informed comment on this topic would be appreciated. Regards all >> Richard Collings [working towards closing the fuselage] >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "david miller" >> >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 4:55 PM >> Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home >> >> >>> >>> >>> All, >>> >>> I've given up on ever getting my problems with this prop sorted by >>> Woodcomp. >>> They started when the motor came loose, the replacement motor >>> supplied by the factory and >>> installed by the Canadian rep now groans and complains, before >>> popping the circuit breaker. >>> Prop is off my 912S tri-gear and has not suffered any impact damage, >>> it has less than 50 hours on it. >>> >>> It may be of use to someone who would like to have spare blades etc >>> on hand, or who is in a position to >>> take it back to Woodcomp for a complete overhaul. >>> >>> Rather than leave it on the hangar wall as an ongoing reminder of a >>> most unsatisfactory purchase, >>> it is for sale, any offer over $1 will be considered ! >>> >>> Dave, C-FBZI >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> ---------- >> >> >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> 7:05 AM >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:53:39 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale, or free to a good home Hi Richard=2C I may be the only one with an operational 2-bladed prop at the moment=2C th e Woodcomp SR3000/2W. The reasons for choosing it were exactly the same as Christoph's. I should have my glider wings operational next year. My blades are much longer (69 inches) and very wide at the root with a lot of twist also. To maintain the original ground clearance=2C I modified the nosegear (a simple mod). During the first summer I had nothing but trouble=2C because their electro nics did not work and the support was abysmal. I returned the controller fo r a refund and switched to the Smart Avionics CS1. I am now very happy with the setup. It is important that the carburettors a re perfectly balanced=2C otherwise you get noticeable vibration. I changed from the Warp Drive=2C which was running smoothly=2C and couldn't understan d at first why I had vibration. In the first 50 hours I had two motor failures=2C one was a short and one w as an open circuit. I now always carry a spare. I believe that David and I are the only users who had trouble with Woodcomp. I researched other makes=2C but could find only one that met my requirement s for a motorglider. It was the Hoffmann=2C which is hydraulic and is twice as heavy and 4 times as expensive. It is certified and used on many other motorgliders and Katanas etc. I highly recommend a two-bladed prop. I have very mixed feelings about switching to a constant speed prop=2C thou gh=2C for normal operations. When you think about it=2C the only real benefit is improved takeoff perfor mance. A ground adjustable prop would normally be set up for best cruise pe rformance=2C and my Warp Drive worked very well for that. Then you consider the cost=2C weight=2C complexity=2C and potential failure issues=2C and be gin to wonder. Karl
> From: r.collings@onetel.net> To: europa-list@matr onics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale=2C or free t o a good home> Date: Fri=2C 26 Sep 2008 12:38:37 +0100> > --> Europa-List m essage posted by: "Richard Collings" > > Hi David =2C I am not interested in buying your prop as you can see I am along > way off across "the pond" but your email has prompted me to ask the question > "which prop and how many blades" ? You obviously have some experience with a > 2 bladed prop and I am sorry for your troubles but> are going to stay with 2 blades or change to 3? I know that 3 bladed props > look sexier but I understand they are less efficient cost more and weigh > more. I plan to fit a variable pitch prop of some sort onto my Trigear and > see an advanta ge in keeping the weight down as I only have 80 hp. Informed > comment on t his topic would be appreciated. Regards all Richard Collings > [working tow ards closing the fuselage]> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "david mil ler" > To: > Sent: Thurs day=2C September 18=2C 2008 4:55 PM> Subject: Europa-List: Woodcomp SR 2000 for sale=2C or free to a good home> > > > --> Europa-List message posted b y: david miller > >> > All=2C> >> > I've given up o n ever getting my problems with this prop sorted by> > Woodcomp.> > They st arted when the motor came loose=2C the replacement motor> > supplied by the factory and> > installed by the Canadian rep now groans and complains=2C b efore> > popping the circuit breaker.> > Prop is off my 912S tri-gear and h as not suffered any impact damage=2C> > it has less than 50 hours on it.> > > > It may be of use to someone who would like to have spare blades etc> > on hand=2C or who is in a position to> > take it back to Woodcomp for a com plete overhaul.> >> > Rather than leave it on the hangar wall as an ongoing reminder of a> > most unsatisfactory purchase=2C> > it is for sale=2C any offer over $1 will be considered !> >> > Dave=2C C-FBZI> >> >> >> >> > > -- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:54:35 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: Europa-List: Mod 33 Water Drains I am about to install Mod 33 and was wondering after installation, how much fuel is necessary to drain when checking for water considering hose size/length and the fact that the Tees also are connected to return fuel and site gauge lines? How does that T know to drain only from the bottom of the tanks? Jerry Happy Mono 914 driver ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:54 PM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 33 Water Drains Jerry=2C A good question. I think you could easily have a liter of water in each tan k and never know about it. The only way for it to get into the fuel lines is by lifting the tail up hi gh=2C or going into a steep descent. Karl
From: rehn@rockisland.comTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-List: Mod 33 Water DrainsDate: Fri=2C 26 Sep 2008 11:49:20 -0700 I am about to install Mod 33 and was wondering after installation=2C how mu ch fuel is necessary to drain when checking for water considering hose size /length and the fact that the Tees also are connected to return fuel and si te gauge lines? How does that T know to drain only from the bottom of the t anks? Jerry Happy Mono 914 driver ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:27 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Europa-List: Re: towbar Dear Bob B I visited today my hangar (with my 7-years old daughter w *first* holes in her earflaps) and checked commercial datas from my towbar: Bogert Aviation 3606 Swallow Ave, PASCO WA 99301 (800) 627 8088 USA (what a wonder) www.bogert-av.com I share this to the list also because I have got so many other inquiries. Cheers, Raimo >> Raimo, >> >> Actually, no I had not. But I have now! >> >> Is it a commercial unit or of your design and manufacture? >> >> If commercial, what source? >> >> If your design, may I copy it? >> >> Thanks, >> Bob >> >> On Thursday, September 25, 2008, at 03:46PM, "Raimo Toivio" > > wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> did you notice my attached pic "towbar" in my earlier message. >>> I have been happy with it. >>> >>> Wishes, Raimo >>> >>> RWM-SYSTEMS >>> 37500 Lempaala, FINLAND >>> tel +358 3 3753 777 >>> fax +358 3 3753 100 >>> gsm +358 40 590 1450 >>> www.rwm.fi >>> raimo.toivio@rwm.fi >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:40 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Mod 33 Water Drains Hi! Jerry When the aircraft is a monowheel the copper pipe pick up points should be in the rear corner of the tank as near to the floor as possible. On a trike the same pipes need to pick up from the front corner of the tanks. I drain a couple of the regular fuel check device full to the brim when doing the check. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Rehn Sent: 26 September 2008 19:49 Subject: Europa-List: Mod 33 Water Drains I am about to install Mod 33 and was wondering after installation, how much fuel is necessary to drain when checking for water considering hose size/length and the fact that the Tees also are connected to return fuel and site gauge lines? How does that T know to drain only from the bottom of the tanks? Jerry Happy Mono 914 driver ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:59 PM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight Raimo, Congratulations to all the finish airmen. Pik has a good reputation. Is there also one with shoulder wings? Is Tervamaki the designer? Regards, Karel Vranken. F-PKRL 200 hours and annual inspection. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight All This is quite far from Europa world (except Wilkch-operators) but maybe you are interested: My friend Mr Jarmo Hakala made a succesfull 40 minutes flight with his only-one-in-the-world Pik 25 OH-XXV powered with 100% Bio-Diesel. Fuel was regenerated from vegetable oil and those people who were there said the smell after take-off was similar to McDonalds. After flight those people with Mr Hakala "cheers" with that drinkable fuel. Official supervisor for that event in Jarmos own airport EFNS was Mr P Teravainen That was probably first time in the aviation history. Google OH-XXV Regards, Raimo PS: he was early days a potential Europa builder but assumed to be too tall 193 cm /76". ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:08:29 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight Thanks Karel, after your message I got a clear memory!!! I have been once in your huge and personal hangary in Belgium. That was beside your wonderful home and your beatiful wife (wishes!). I am not sure but think Mr. Tervamaki has nothing to do w PIK 25. The early design was made in 1960 in the Univercity of Helsinki by PIK PIK = Polyteknikkojen Ilmailu Kerho = The Club of The Aviation M. Sc. They cancelled the project during seventies. After, Mr. J Hakala took the project and made it completed during lets say 15 years. With diesel engine of course. And you can be sure that is better than Thielert. Please let some wishes to your near neigbour Chantal & Dirk! Marke & Raimo .. ----- Original Message ----- From: "karelvranken" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:17 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight Raimo, Congratulations to all the finish airmen. Pik has a good reputation. Is there also one with shoulder wings? Is Tervamaki the designer? Regards, Karel Vranken. F-PKRL 200 hours and annual inspection. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raimo Toivio" Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 11:12 AM Subject: Europa-List: 100% Bio-Diesel Flight All This is quite far from Europa world (except Wilkch-operators) but maybe you are interested: My friend Mr Jarmo Hakala made a succesfull 40 minutes flight with his only-one-in-the-world Pik 25 OH-XXV powered with 100% Bio-Diesel. Fuel was regenerated from vegetable oil and those people who were there said the smell after take-off was similar to McDonalds. After flight those people with Mr Hakala "cheers" with that drinkable fuel. Official supervisor for that event in Jarmos own airport EFNS was Mr P Teravainen That was probably first time in the aviation history. Google OH-XXV Regards, Raimo PS: he was early days a potential Europa builder but assumed to be too tall 193 cm /76". ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:30 PM PST US From: "Tom Friedland" <96victor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Jab3300 Cowlings Hi Mike I tried to send you some cowl photos to your email address on your post but it was returned as undeliverable... Do you have another address that I can send them to? Tom On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 8:34 PM, Mike Duane wrote: > > If I received these clips with the FWF kit I'll have to give a good look > around because I don't remember seeing them. If you have a few pix of these > clips, it might jog my memory. > Thanks. > > Mike > > > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:44 PM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: (SPAM) Europa-List: Mono Turning Rick, as you said "you need to be a bit more skilful and have a bit more thought to the power input, the wind direction and the brake application in a mono" that is not problem for us, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: rick To: Europa-List@Matronics. Com Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 5:47 PM Subject: (SPAM) Europa-List: Mono Turning Hi all I have to apologise to all mono owners. I suggested, through pure ignorance, that it may be a problem turning a mono in the width of my strip. I have since asked a good friend who owns both a mono and a trike and he said there is very little difference but that you need to be a bit more skilful and have a bit more thought to the power input, the wind direction and the brake application in a mono. Sorry mono boys. Still the trike with a 912S and a VP prop makes a bloody good STOL bumpy, grass strip plane. Best Wishes Rick Checked by AVG. 26/09/2008 07:35 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:55 PM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: New tandem wheel flying wing biplane - this one's different! How weird is that, the design is very close to one I was considering to scratch build before i started on my XS, glad to know it will fly ok, I didnt think anyone else would like such a departure from the "norm", my only concern was where to put the prop, I was thinking about belt drive ducted fans between the two wings -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of glenn crowder Sent: Friday, 26 September 2008 4:38 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: New tandem wheel flying wing biplane - this one's different! Would love to build this one in my spare time. Original was 78 sq ft and 172 lbs with engine. I have scaled it up to 110 sq ft, built it in X-plane with 50 hp, goes 160 mph, flies wonderful using NACA 23012 airfoil, stalls at 35, although it just does the canard stall, bobbing it's nose gently in the breeze. http://www.ligeti-stratos.com/ Glenn ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2008 10:26:09 -0700 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel designs... any others out there? From: fklein@orcasonline.com To: europa-list@matronics.com On Thursday, Sep 25, 2008, at 08:11 US/Pacific, rick wrote: Just as a matter of interest could I turn a Mono on my short, very bumpy, grass strip (max 20' wide with no turning area) after backtracking in a strong wind. I sometimes have trouble with my trike using full braking on one wheel! !!...touche'...that needle do twist nicely...ouch...always nice to recognise the depth of our commitment to our respective decisions...pity we tend to cloak ourselves in claims of rationality for what is, IMO, an essentially irrational enterprise...but I love this thread which again, IMO, celebrates the extreme flexibility of a wonderful airframe which sees such variety (mono, trigear, conventional taildragger, short wings/long wings, Rotax, Soobs, Jabs, CAM/Honda, Smart Brabus, O-200, and ; --> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- See how Windows connects the people, information, and fun that are part of your life. 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