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1. 01:00 AM - Re: when to attach spar strap (Rowland & Wilma Carson)
2. 02:20 AM - Re: when to attach spar strap (Robert C Harrison)
3. 02:30 AM - Re: Exhaust pipe (William Harrison)
4. 02:32 AM - UK insurance (William Harrison)
5. 02:51 AM - Re: UK insurance (Pete Lawless)
6. 03:03 AM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_UK_insurance? (Carl Pattinson)
7. 04:15 AM - Re: UK insurance (Robert C Harrison)
8. 08:04 AM - Monowheel Jacking Block (Robert Borger)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: Monowheel Jacking Block (jpg12305)
10. 09:17 AM - Re: Re: Monowheel Jacking Block (Robert Borger)
11. 09:27 AM - Re: Re: UK insurance (Trevpond@aol.com)
12. 01:10 PM - Re: when to attach spar strap and the new manual on line. (ALAN YERLY)
13. 01:22 PM - Re: Re: UK insurance (David Buckley)
14. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: UK insurance (David Buckley)
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Subject: | Re: when to attach spar strap |
At 2008-10-07 15:07 -0400 ALAN YERLY wrote:
>The exact time to do the spar strap is up to you
I've just done the spar strap layup, but had to repeat it. Why?
Because my paper manual calls for the strap to be 250mm x 90mm. When
I draped that on, it barely went around the back of the port spar and
the short flaps wouldn't stay in place at all without peel-ply
wrapped around. After I'd left it to cure, I checked the later PDF
manual on disc, and found it called for 350m x 90mm! So I rushed back
to the garage and pulled off the peel-ply & strap layup and quickly
did another to the larger measurements. Fortunately the bracket layup
wasn't disturbed too much by the ripping apart, and it was still
tacky when I draped on the strap for the second time.
Why didn't the factory make more of an announcement about such an
important error in the manual?
Has anyone else made a spar strap to the 250mm dimension & not
realised it is wrong?
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | when to attach spar strap |
Hi! Rowland
Mine was 250mm excepting I used my usual "poetic license" which would
have allowed adequate wrap round with the peel ply. However too much
between the port spa and the seat back bulkhead may result in difficulty
entering the port spa tip into it's receptacle socket on the starboard
side. After all if properly prepared and adequately bonded to the top
and bottom dimensions of the port spa then the strength of the wrap
round may well be a side issue anyway. The likely forces would be
parallel to the lay up and not in shear thereby making the wrap round
irrelevant other than for psychological satisfaction !
As to why you had problems with the manual I can't say but of course
adding all this "poetry" up makes for a heavy build ! .....But for me
it's not so much the weight but the strength that is more important
overall!
REGARDS
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland &
Wilma Carson
Sent: 25 October 2008 08:59
Subject: Re: Europa-List: when to attach spar strap
<rowil@clara.net>
At 2008-10-07 15:07 -0400 ALAN YERLY wrote:
>The exact time to do the spar strap is up to you
I've just done the spar strap layup, but had to repeat it. Why?
Because my paper manual calls for the strap to be 250mm x 90mm. When
I draped that on, it barely went around the back of the port spar and
the short flaps wouldn't stay in place at all without peel-ply
wrapped around. After I'd left it to cure, I checked the later PDF
manual on disc, and found it called for 350m x 90mm! So I rushed back
to the garage and pulled off the peel-ply & strap layup and quickly
did another to the larger measurements. Fortunately the bracket layup
wasn't disturbed too much by the ripping apart, and it was still
tacky when I draped on the strap for the second time.
Why didn't the factory make more of an announcement about such an
important error in the manual?
Has anyone else made a spar strap to the 250mm dimension & not
realised it is wrong?
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Exhaust pipe |
Same on mine (front left) at approx 100 hrs.
Can anyone shed light on another exhaust problem - an allegedly bad
batch of springs (too long, so silencer is not held on securely enough)?
Willie
On 24 Oct 2008, at 17:35, Steven Pitt wrote:
> Remi,
> The front port pipe on my 912S engine had the pipe and bell fitting
> (the flange that is bolted onto the engine) come apart at the weld
> (see picture as this explains better than my words). I realised I
> had a problem when taking off and I heard a noise that I had not
> heard before. The pipe was able to rattle in the flange fitting but
> did not fall off and was only observed once the engine cooled and I
> was able to grab the pipes and shake them.
> I did not loose power but aborted the take off due to the change in
> noise.
> The engine has done 120 hours.
> Hope this helps.
> Regards
> Steve Pitt
> G-SMDH
> DSCN1604
>
> <DSCN1604.JPG>
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I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for
UK aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
Willie
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H R Jennings are good. 020 8680 0688
Pete
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: 25 October 2008 10:30
Subject: Europa-List: UK insurance
<willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for
UK aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
Willie
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Subject: | =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re=3A_Europa-List=3A_UK_insurance? |
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We have been with Jennings for the last 5 years and now have a good no
claims record.
Just had our renewal notice for next year and it is just over 1,100 - and
that includes the addition of a relatively inexperienced pilot (besides
myself). Thats for fully comp including crown indemnity, passsenger
liability and hull cover to 35K.
They allow us to split the payments into 4 quarterly lumps which also makes
things easier. We think thats reasonable but havent shopped around so dont
know if its a competetive figure.
If interested, let me know and I will email their contact details.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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From: "William Harrison" <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:29 AM
Subject: Europa-List: UK insurance
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> <willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
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> I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for UK
> aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
>
> Willie
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Hi! Willie
Have a chat with Maureen Sanlon at Jennings 02086800688 e-mail :-
maureen@jenningsinsure.co.uk
They are underwritten by Haywards.
Always done me a good service and you can pay quarterly by computer
transfer into their clients call account.
They paid out on my claim and it didn't change my premium.
Maureen may well associate your "Handle" with me, give her my best
wishes.
Regards
Bob Harrison.G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Harrison
Sent: 25 October 2008 10:30
Subject: Europa-List: UK insurance
<willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for
UK aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
Willie
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Subject: | Monowheel Jacking Block |
Fellow Europaphiles,
I remember a web page showing a jacking block for the swing-arm of a
monowheel. I thought I had bookmarked the page, but now I can't find
it. Is there anyone out there with the link to that page or with pics
or drawings of the device?
TIA.
Good building and great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Jacking Block |
Here you are !
http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm
Lot of good stuff here. I did my jacking block from this. Very easy to make, and
very convenient.
Jean-Paul
Europa mono classic 332
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210248#210248
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Subject: | Re: Monowheel Jacking Block |
Jean-Paul,
That's the site! Thanks!
Good building & great flying,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL
(99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections.
3705 Lynchburg Dr.
Corinth, TX 76208
Home: 940-497-2123
Cel: 817-992-1117
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On Oct 25, 2008, at 10:52, jpg12305 wrote:
>
> Here you are !
>
> http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm
>
> Lot of good stuff here. I did my jacking block from this. Very easy
> to make, and very convenient.
>
> Jean-Paul
> Europa mono classic 332
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=210248#210248
>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List: UK insurance |
Hi,
Have been with Besso for years organised by:
Kay Stallard - Director
Tangible Insurance Services Ltd
Authorised and Regulated by the Financial Services Authority
Tele: 01623 654254
Fax: 01623 420821
Kay looks to various companies to get the best quote for you. Give her a
ring.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
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Subject: | Re: when to attach spar strap and the new manual on line. |
Rowland,
Sorry about that. Point well taken. Should have been a more forceful
notice put out to check the website for the latest manual changes, I'm
afraid I only saw the one notice. The new manual does call for the 350
mm length. I now use my downloaded builders manual for all my
operations because of those small and frustrating changes. You will
find small corrections and sometimes more accurate techniques in the
newer manual. I have the opposite problem, sometimes I have an old kit
and the parts have been upgraded, and it does take a review of the Tech
talk articles, Mods and such to ensure you have all the information you
need for a speedy build.
Good catch, it shows attention to detail and will result in a great
flying plane.
Keep on building.
Bud Yerly
Custom Flight Creations
(813) 653-4989
----- Original Message -----
From: Rowland & Wilma Carson<mailto:rowil@clara.net>
To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 3:59 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: when to attach spar strap
<rowil@clara.net<mailto:rowil@clara.net>>
At 2008-10-07 15:07 -0400 ALAN YERLY wrote:
>The exact time to do the spar strap is up to you
I've just done the spar strap layup, but had to repeat it. Why?
Because my paper manual calls for the strap to be 250mm x 90mm. When
I draped that on, it barely went around the back of the port spar and
the short flaps wouldn't stay in place at all without peel-ply
wrapped around. After I'd left it to cure, I checked the later PDF
manual on disc, and found it called for 350m x 90mm! So I rushed back
to the garage and pulled off the peel-ply & strap layup and quickly
did another to the larger measurements. Fortunately the bracket layup
wasn't disturbed too much by the ripping apart, and it was still
tacky when I draped on the strap for the second time.
Why didn't the factory make more of an announcement about such an
important error in the manual?
Has anyone else made a spar strap to the 250mm dimension & not
realised it is wrong?
regards
Rowland
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List: UK insurance |
I had a really good quote from Haywards Aviation in london - Sub =A31000. -
Europa 912 mono, hull value =A332k.
Am currently on ground risk with them C. =A3450 INCLUDING 15 Hrs flying fo
r
Test and Demo purposes.
Dave
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2008/10/25 Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
> carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
> We have been with Jennings for the last 5 years and now have a good no
> claims record.
>
> Just had our renewal notice for next year and it is just over =A31,100 -
and
> that includes the addition of a relatively inexperienced pilot (besides
> myself). Thats for fully comp including crown indemnity, passsenger
> liability and hull cover to =A335K.
>
> They allow us to split the payments into 4 quarterly lumps which also mak
es
> things easier. We think thats reasonable but havent shopped around so don
t
> know if its a competetive figure.
>
> If interested, let me know and I will email their contact details.
>
> Carl Pattinson
> G-LABS
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" <
> willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:29 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: UK insurance
>
>
>> willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>>
>> I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for UK
>> aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
>>
>> Willie
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>>
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Subject: | Re: Europa-List: UK insurance |
Should also say have used Haywards a couple of years back for both my group
Cherokee180, and a previous Europa. - underwritten by a LLoyds sindicate.
2008/10/25 David Buckley <wooburnaviation@googlemail.com>
> I had a really good quote from Haywards Aviation in london - Sub =A31000.
-
> Europa 912 mono, hull value =A332k.
>
> Am currently on ground risk with them C. =A3450 INCLUDING 15 Hrs flying
for
> Test and Demo purposes.
>
> Dave
>
> Do Not Archive
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> 2008/10/25 Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>
>> carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
>>
>> We have been with Jennings for the last 5 years and now have a good no
>> claims record.
>>
>> Just had our renewal notice for next year and it is just over =A31,100 -
and
>> that includes the addition of a relatively inexperienced pilot (besides
>> myself). Thats for fully comp including crown indemnity, passsenger
>> liability and hull cover to =A335K.
>>
>> They allow us to split the payments into 4 quarterly lumps which also
>> makes things easier. We think thats reasonable but havent shopped around
so
>> dont know if its a competetive figure.
>>
>> If interested, let me know and I will email their contact details.
>>
>> Carl Pattinson
>> G-LABS
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Harrison" <
>> willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 10:29 AM
>> Subject: Europa-List: UK insurance
>>
>>
>>
>>> willie.harrison@tinyonline.co.uk>
>>>
>>> I'm with Traffords who seem OK but expensive. Who else is there for UK
>>> aircraft that anyone could reccommend?
>>>
>>> Willie
>>>
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