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1. 01:42 AM - Re: First Flight ZK-EPA (Brian Davies)
2. 02:25 AM - Re: fuel pump etc (Robert C Harrison)
3. 02:29 AM - Re: First Flight ZK-EPA (Robert C Harrison)
4. 02:34 AM - Re: First Flight ZK-EPA (Graham Singleton)
5. 12:40 PM - Re: fuel pump etc (danbish)
6. 01:10 PM - BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag (BrightLine)
7. 02:17 PM - Re: First Flight ZK-EPA (Kingsley Hurst)
8. 04:00 PM - outrigger leg broke (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 04:27 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Paul Boulet)
10. 04:33 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Tim Ward)
11. 04:49 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Kevin Klinefelter)
12. 05:01 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Kevin Klinefelter)
13. 06:31 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Kim Prout)
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| Subject: | First Flight ZK-EPA |
Congratulations Gavin,
Always a great moment. I hope you have many years of enjoyment from EPA.
Just for the records, could you please confirm who did the first flight, the
empty weight and an estimate of the total build hours.
Best regards
Brian Davies. memberships sec. The Europa Club
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin & Anne
Sent: 27 October 2008 02:26
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight ZK-EPA
The 9th New Zealand based Europa to fly
After 11......and a bit years Europa #355 took to the air from Tauranga NZ
on the 24th of October for a 40 minute first flight.
She flew well, basic stall at 48kts wings level, 38kts with flap gear and
power and an accompanying left wing drop, envelope to be explored
Temps and pressures all good
Well worth the effort and a special thanks to all those that assisted with
advice and help
Gavin Lee
Europa XS.....#355.....ZK-EPA 912S with Airmaster prop
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
19:53
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Hi! Rowland
I always have difficulty remembering if you are building trike or Mono?
However I personally would be bothered about stressing the pipework if
you do it prior to stabilizing the module in the fuselage. It must be in
a relaxed mode with flexible mountings.
The Facet pump must be at 45deg to horizontal along the flow line to the
lowest point of the fuel system.
I've used braided rubber throughout and the fuel system module is
mounted on the belly plate where the mono would have been. However I
also have two electric pumps and two mini Andair Gascolators being a
914.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG 337
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland &
Wilma Carson
Sent: 26 October 2008 21:14
Subject: Europa-List: fuel pump etc
<rowil@clara.net>
I'm intending to fit aluminium pipe (and braided nitrile) instead of
the smelly rubber stuff and am trying to plan the pipe runs from the
fuel selector area back to the fuel pump. It seems wise to put the
aluminium pipes in before I stick down the cockpit module, although
the manual leaves it to much later for the rubber pipes.
The picture on page 6-4 of the 912 FWF manual seems to show that the
pipe from the selector goes back near the fuselage floor (or perhaps
higher up at the port side of the tunnel), and that the pipe coming
forward from the pump runs near the top of the tunnel through the
tank.
I guess this is all in line with the philosophy of a gradually-rising
pipe from tank to engine - but obviously it can't quite adhere to
that throughout.
I don't want to clip a pipe in a position where it will get in the
way of stuff to be installed later such as the flap actuation
mechanism.
I plan to install an Andair gascolator, and the obvious place where
there is some room for that is alongside the pump.
Does anyone have any advice or comments about:
(a) the routing of aluminium pipes from the selector area to the pump;
(b) the location of an Andair 375 gascolator.
Are there any pictures online of the SS502 / 40106 pump (apparently a
Facet item) or an Andair 375 gascolator installation for a 912s?
regards
Rowland
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| Subject: | First Flight ZK-EPA |
Well done Gavin Congratulations ..My guess is that you will now use your
Summer to fly the mountains in your beautiful country.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG Kit 337
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gavin &
Anne
Sent: 27 October 2008 02:26
Subject: Europa-List: First Flight ZK-EPA
The 9th New Zealand based Europa to fly
After 11......and a bit years Europa #355 took to the air from Tauranga
NZ on the 24th of October for a 40 minute first flight.
She flew well, basic stall at 48kts wings level, 38kts with flap gear
and power and an accompanying left wing drop, envelope to be explored
Temps and pressures all good
Well worth the effort and a special thanks to all those that assisted
with advice and help
Gavin Lee
Europa XS.....#355.....ZK-EPA 912S with Airmaster prop
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight ZK-EPA |
Gavin & Anne wrote:
>
> She flew well, basic stall at 48kts wings level, 38kts with flap gear
> and power and an accompanying left wing drop, envelope to be explored
Gavin
well done, it must be very light to stall at 38kts! Not easy to build a
light Europa, it takes discipline as well as skill.
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: fuel pump etc |
Hi Rowland,
I spent a lot of time messing with the fuel system and ended up with something
I think I'll be happy with. View the album in the gallery at:
http://www.europaowners.org/modules.php?set_albumName=album164&op=modload&name=gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php&page=1
Keep in mind that I'm installing a 914 in a mono so it might not apply to your
build. This is a series set up using manifolds, 1 from Aircraft Spruce and two
from McMaster Carr (I think). It has an Andair fuel selector, gascolator, and
check valves. I put everything on removable breadboards in case I've got to get
at it later, easily accessible through the baggage bay and I also installed
duplicate fuel filters both in the seat pan and back near the pumps (see photos).
Overkill for sure, but I plan to run the first 30 hrs or so with this set
up then possibly remove the rear filters.
All my work was done AFTER the cockpit was installed since I bought a used kit
with that already done. I would have much preferred to do it before the cockpit
was in, especially putting the GS fuel fittings into the tanks. As you can see,
I had to make holes in the seat areas in order to get those in. Also, I haven't
put in a sight gauge. I have the fuel level sender in the tank and a fuel
computer that will calculate the flow and return from the 914 into a Dynon D180,
so that should do it. I still have the option of adding one later in this
set up though.
I had to redo the versatube several times to get it right but it's spot on now.
To simplify things, I have the fuel runs running through the cockpit instead
of the tunnel, but hoping that won't become an issue (fingers crossed). Everything
is versatube where possible, with Gates R9 fuel injection hose used everywhere
else as it has a Teflon lining which is supposed to prolong life. The only
place I used R7 was the very short run near the pumps where I couldn't find
any of that size in R9.
Let me know if you have any questions,
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | BrightLine Bags Pilot Flight Bag |
Hello Everyone,
My name is Bryan Smith and I am with a company called BrightLine Bags. I do not want to offend anybody by posting on this list, so I apologize in advance if I have. I am a student pilot as well. I posted on the Commander list with the help of a Commander owner and received wonderful response from quite a few Commander owners. We make a brand new type of Pilot Flight Bag. It is like nothing you have seen or used before. If you use a flight bag, I am quite certain that if you go to our website at www.brightlinebags.com and click on the demo video, you will be impressed. Thank you everyone for this forum. We will be at the AOPA conterence in November if anybody is going. Please stop by and say hi. If you have any questions, you can contact me directly at bryan@brightlinebags.com. Thanks again.
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: First Flight ZK-EPA |
Well done Gavin and I hope you enjoy many hours of that special freedom
only flying can offer . . . . . especially when it is in a Europa.
At 10 yrs, there is still hope for me yet I guess ! Getting closer to
putting some paint on.
Cheers
Kingsley in Oz
do not archive
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| Subject: | outrigger leg broke |
Hi All,
While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped off.
I pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the asphalt
and shredded.
Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I thought
they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking.
very sad Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Kevin I'm so sorry.- The same thing happened to me.- I seem to recall t
hat the ourigger legs have a limited life- mine were probably over 5 yrs ol
d by the time I tested the a/c and they were brittle enough to snap off
Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale with 25 hours on it, Malibu, CA
--- On Mon, 10/27/08, Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com> wrote:
From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
<kevann@gotsky.com>
Hi All,
While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped off.
I pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the asphalt
and shredded.
Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I thought
they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking.
very sad Kevin
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Kevin,
Sorry to hear that. Where abouts along the leg did it break? Maybe a weak
point to watch. You didn't hit anything? I haven't had that
problem......yet.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
PH 0064 3 3515166
MOB 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
>
> Hi All,
>
> While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped off. I
> pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the asphalt and
> shredded.
>
> Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I thought
> they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking.
>
> very sad Kevin
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Yours and mine came in the same shipment to CA. I did not know they
broke, just heard of the mechanism collapsing.
very sad Kevin
Paul Boulet wrote:
> Kevin I'm so sorry. The same thing happened to me. I seem to recall
> that the ourigger legs have a limited life- mine were probably over 5
> yrs old by the time I tested the a/c and they were brittle enough to
> snap off
> Paul Boulet, N914PB tri gear for sale with 25 hours on it, Malibu, CA
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/27/08, Kevin Klinefelter /<kevann@gotsky.com>/* wrote:
>
> From: Kevin Klinefelter <kevann@gotsky.com>
> Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 3:58 PM
>
> <kevann@gotsky.com>
>
> Hi All,
>
> While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped off.
> I pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the asphalt
> and shredded.
>
> Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I thought
> they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking.
>
> very sad Kevin
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Hi Tim,
I broke right where it meets the alum. mount.
I didn't hit anything. Was turning right at fast walking speed when the
left wing went down and made noise, my instinct was to pull the brake
lever that my hand was already on. Maybe if I didn't touch the brake...
One good thing is the wing tip only hit the ground enough to chip a
little paint. The outrigger mechanism was still locked down.
very sad Kevin
Tim Ward wrote:
>
> Kevin,
> Sorry to hear that. Where abouts along the leg did it break? Maybe a
> weak point to watch. You didn't hit anything? I haven't had that
> problem......yet.
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Tim Ward
> 12 Waiwetu Street
> Fendalton,
> Christchurch
> NEW ZEALAND
> PH 0064 3 3515166
> MOB 021 0640221
> ward.t@xtra.co.nz
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Klinefelter"
> <kevann@gotsky.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 11:58 AM
> Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
>
>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped
>> off. I pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the
>> asphalt and shredded.
>>
>> Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I
>> thought they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking.
>>
>> very sad Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Hi Kevin! Sorry about the outrigger leg. I had an incident where my broke on
landing, normal speed with no lateral force. Broke exactly where yours
did... Anyway I chalked it up to aging material and stress at the socket. I
had no damage except for a few small scratches on the socket assembly that I
could dress out with no problem. Do not pull on brake as this just noses the
aircraft over enough to hit the prop tips...ouch!
At least with the Rotax if there is no runout problem on the prop flange you
can just bolt up a new set of blades and go again...not sure what airmaster
advises though.
Talk to ya soon!
kp
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