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1. 01:35 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho (Brian Davies)
2. 02:28 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (josok)
3. 02:54 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho (Roger Anderson)
4. 03:10 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho ()
5. 03:17 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Robert C Harrison)
6. 03:22 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho (rparigoris)
7. 05:07 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho (h&jeuropa)
8. 06:34 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Kevin Klinefelter)
9. 08:48 AM - Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's (Robert C Harrison)
10. 09:23 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Graham Singleton)
11. 10:04 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (glenn crowder)
12. 11:34 AM - Re: Rotax Tacho (rampil)
13. 12:02 PM - Re: Re: Rotax Tacho (Paul Stewart)
14. 03:20 PM - Air Vents (jimpuglise@comcast.net)
15. 03:22 PM - outrigger leg broke (Erich Trombley)
16. 03:54 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (JR Gowing)
17. 04:41 PM - Re: Air Vents (Paul Stewart)
18. 05:10 PM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Kevin Klinefelter)
19. 08:04 PM - Carburator Heat and Drip Pans (Troy Maynor)
20. 08:35 PM - Re: Air Vents (DuaneFamly@aol.com)
21. 08:52 PM - Re: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans (Tim Ward)
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Hi Paul,
Common problem on the Rotax tacho- swap the signal leads over at the
connecting plug. That normally fixes it. If it does not , it is a tacho
change.
Brian Davies
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Brown
Sent: 29 October 2008 00:33
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax Tacho
Paul
I thank Jim Butcher had the same problem. He has the Blue Mtn EFIS and was
having some problems with the tach reading incorrect.
I have not seen any postings from him lately.
Jim are you still out there ???
Jim Brown
--- On Tue, 10/28/08, Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com> wrote:
From: Paul Stewart <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Tacho
<europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Have just run the engine for the first time (914). All seems well with
exception of rotax tacho. Advancing throttle from 'rough running' to
just smooth, the tacho jumps from <2000rpm to 4000rpm - numbers which
I just don't believe. Anyone got any thoughts?
Unfortunately the rest of our engine instruments are a BMA EFIS1 which
doesn't easily support an alternative tacho for the rotax.
Regards
Paul
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Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Well Kevann, that makes 2 incidents, where low humidity could have played a role.
It would also explain why outleggers never break off UK based planes. They
do have a humidity problem, at the other extreme.
To exclude a batch problem, wat is your kit #? I had kit #600 When i reported the
incident 3 years ago nobody had ever heard of such a thing. Now there seem
to be more.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Paul,
I think that the problem may be that the tacho coil is picking up
secondary impulses as the speed increases - which accounts for the doubling
of the reading. The Rotax manual does show a graph of the output from the
coil which does show secondary impulses. I suggest that a slight increase in
the gap might cure the problem.
Modellers use a battery operated gadget which works on the strobe effect
of the prop to measure the speed of their props. I bought one when I was
having a similar problem with my tacho, it wasn't very expensive an it did
reassure me that the engine was not in fact overspeeding.
Roger (G-BXTD)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Stewart" <europa@pstewart.f2s.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Rotax Tacho
>
> Have just run the engine for the first time (914). All seems well with
> exception of rotax tacho. Advancing throttle from 'rough running' to
> just smooth, the tacho jumps from <2000rpm to 4000rpm - numbers which I
> just don't believe. Anyone got any thoughts?
>
> Unfortunately the rest of our engine instruments are a BMA EFIS1 which
> doesn't easily support an alternative tacho for the rotax.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Paul
>
>
>
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Hi Paul
I attached a pdf file from Rotax about tachometer troubleshooting.
Ron Parigoris
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Subject: | outrigger leg broke |
Hi! Jos /all
I'm not a mono/man but didn't someone find an alternative type of nylon
quite a while ago? Is it in the Archives?
Regards
Bob H
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of josok
Sent: 29 October 2008 09:27
Subject: Re: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
Well Kevann, that makes 2 incidents, where low humidity could have
played a role. It would also explain why outleggers never break off UK
based planes. They do have a humidity problem, at the other extreme.
To exclude a batch problem, wat is your kit #? I had kit #600 When i
reported the incident 3 years ago nobody had ever heard of such a thing.
Now there seem to be more.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Hmmmm pdf did not attach.
Go here:
http://www.rotax-owner.com/index.htm
Click:
Education then E-Learning
Click:
Click here to view our current PDF documents
Click:
Tachometer Troubleshooting
Ron Parigoris
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Paul & AcroJim
Just a quick update. We gave up getting our G2 Blue Mountain EFIS to work properly.
Sold it on E Bay and installed GRT Sport and EIS which interfaces to the
914 with no problem. Tach, fuel flow, temps, pressures, volts & amps all work
properly, even when transmitting on the comm radio!! And no interference or
noise in the comm radio!
Never did get the BMA tach to work, I think they do have a tach solution with their
engine pod. Our Rotax tach worked fine while we had the BMA system.
Jim Butcher
N241BW flying again!!
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Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Hi Jos,
Mine is kit # A211 and Paul Boulet, who also had a failure is near that
kit #. His broke in Arizona, so that follows your theory.
Kevin
josok wrote:
>
> Well Kevann, that makes 2 incidents, where low humidity could have played a role.
It would also explain why outleggers never break off UK based planes. They
do have a humidity problem, at the other extreme.
>
> To exclude a batch problem, wat is your kit #? I had kit #600 When i reported
the incident 3 years ago nobody had ever heard of such a thing. Now there seem
to be more.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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Subject: | Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's |
Hi! All DOTHer's and prospectives..
As Paddy indicated yesterday's DOTH turned into an ordeal due to the
weather
advancing way ahead of initial forecasts. Those who believed the
original
predictions were met by snow and sleet in much more abundance than we
had
when north of the Arctic Circle in June !
This brings me to remember that when Bryan Allsop and I first conceived
the
DOTH I had suggested some kind of spontaneous DOTH with SAME DAY
initiation
where the guy who "had the baton" would call all those who had
registered an
interest by 'phone. In the winter season this would be safer and lead
to
happier flying conditions in that today being a glorious day wouldn't be
wasted.
Has anyone any suggestions ? Don't volunteer me for the baton since I'm
about to ground G-PTAG for winter "titivation" service and the
confounded
Mode S .
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
From: Robert C Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 28 October 2008 20:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi! Paddy
No problems no one can be right all the time and in my opinion the
weather
forecasts were way out. Certainly I wouldn't have gone if I'd realized
there would be snow and low cloud base.
Hope your trip to OZ is more successful...Have a great time.
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 28 October 2008 14:55
Subject: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi Folks,
Shobdon today was not the best choice I've made for a DOTH. My apologies
to
those intrepid souls who got there only to find that I'd already gone.
I'm
off to Oz tomorrow, and couldn't take the chance I'd end up anywhere but
home tonight.
I'll try and do better on return!
All the Best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Kevin Klinefelter wrote:
Hi Jos,Mine is kit # A211 and Paul Boulet, who also had a failure is
near that kit #. His broke in Arizona, so that follows your theory.
> Kevin
> Well Kevann, that makes 2 incidents, where low humidity could have
> played a role. It would also explain why outleggers never break off UK
> based planes. They do have a humidity problem, at the other extreme.
>> Jos Okhuijsen
Nylon will absorb up to 7% of its own weight in water if my memory isn't
wrong again. I know Europa did a lot of tests in the early days and a
special nylon was chosen. No humidity test afaik
Graham
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Subject: | outrigger leg broke |
Mine is A36 and living in very dry Denver seems to have no issues. I'm goi
ng to
look today to see if it would be possible to insert a tubular nylon stiffen
er that would surround and extend out of the outrigger mount an inch or so
to eliminate the stress riser and spread the load.
Also thinking of trying some stiffer down springs to try and get the outrig
gers to
lock down at a higher airspeed. Mine seem to be getting tired after 10 yrs
and
do not clunk down until I'm slowed up on short final - a little disconcerti
ng!
Looking at McMaster's selection of extension springs there's hundreds of th
em!
Glenn
> Date: Wed=2C 29 Oct 2008 06:31:17 -0700> From: kevann@gotsky.com> To: eur
opa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke> > --
i Jos=2C> > Mine is kit # A211 and Paul Boulet=2C who also had a failure is
near that > kit #. His broke in Arizona=2C so that follows your theory.> >
-e@ukolo.fi>> >> > Well Kevann=2C that makes 2 incidents=2C where low humid
ity could have played a role. It would also explain why outleggers never br
eak off UK based planes. They do have a humidity problem=2C at the other ex
treme. > >> > To exclude a batch problem=2C wat is your kit #? I had kit #6
00 When i reported the incident 3 years ago nobody had ever heard of such a
thing. Now there seem to be more. > >> > Regards=2C> >> > Jos Okhuijsen> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>
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Hi All,
When I upgraded from the G3 to the G4 BMA EFIS for my 912ULS,
I took it upon myself to engineer working solutions for the new BMA
Engine Pod.
The Rotax electric tach output was designed to go to a electro-mechanical
panel gauge, like the new UMA Rotax-specific Tach meter. The UMA
works great (although the RPM>IDLE contact never worked in my unit).
The electrical output of the engine was never designed for talking to a
digital or analog-to-digital conversion box. The voltage out of the flywheel
coils exceeds 100v at normal engine speed and the typical high impedance input.
The GRT guys may have spent some time working out a conversion/
protection circuit for their engine monitor.
I have my EFIS read RPM off a hall-effect sensor mounted on the gearbox
next to my prop brushes. It detects the embedded magnet in the prop
backing plate used by the Airmaster. The Hall-effect sensor is a stock
item at Westach and it produces nice digital pulses for the BMA Engine
pod. It works like a champ. There is a small caveat - the Airmaster
guys are not picky about which polarity they embed face up in the prop
plate. The Westach probe is only sensitive to one polarity, so you need
to check the magnet first, before ordering the sensor.
--------
Ira N224XS
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Many thanks to all who responded. A few things to try. Glad to hear
you're flying again Jim. We're still pressing on with the BMA E1 I
certainly wouldn't go this way 2nd time round.
Regards
Paul
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I have an NACA vent in my rudder and tubing running forward to the overhead
panel in the cockpit.=C2- I would like to install a couple of overhead v
ents similar to those in airliners.=C2- What have others used and where d
o you get them?=C2-
Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL =C2-
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Subject: | outrigger leg broke |
I have been using a different material for my outriggers for the last 6
years without issue. I chose to go with MDS (molybdenum disulfide) fill
ed Nylon 6/6 material. The material is available on line from a number
or vendors; I purchased mine from McMaster Carr. The material is very f
lexible, supposedly has good impact strength and is less subject to UV d
egradation than other materials. I have yet to break a leg. You might
also try and scallop the back face of OR1 in attempt to reduce the stres
s riser.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classis Mono 914
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Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Kevin and all
Has any thought been given to replacing the outrigger mechanism and leg with
a shorter leg and wheel - just long enough to prevent wear on the wing-tips?
This would be back to the glider appearance and some would not like the
rocking sideways but everything would be a lot more simle and the nylon legs
avoided.
JR (Bob) Gowing in Oz
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Klinefelter" <kevann@gotsky.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:31 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
>
> Hi Jos,
>
> Mine is kit # A211 and Paul Boulet, who also had a failure is near that
> kit #. His broke in Arizona, so that follows your theory.
>
> Kevin
>
> josok wrote:
>>
>> Well Kevann, that makes 2 incidents, where low humidity could have played
>> a role. It would also explain why outleggers never break off UK based
>> planes. They do have a humidity problem, at the other extreme.
>>
>> To exclude a batch problem, wat is your kit #? I had kit #600 When i
>> reported the incident 3 years ago nobody had ever heard of such a thing.
>> Now there seem to be more.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jos Okhuijsen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Jim
I used a couple of aluminum eye ball vents not in same position but
the same idea. Pretty sure they came from aircraft spruce.
Paul
On 29 Oct 2008, at 22:19, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote:
> I have an NACA vent in my rudder and tubing running forward to the
> overhead panel in the cockpit. I would like to install a couple of
> overhead vents similar to those in airliners. What have others used
> and where do you get them?
>
> Jim Puglise A-283, Punta Gorda, FL
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Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
Erich,
I was just about to look on McMaster Carr's site for 1-1/4" nylon rod.
I'll look to see if I can get the MDS type.
I too thought of trying to reduce stress at the OR1
I am thinking of making an OR1 to use for testing the legs for flex,
including the original one on my other wing that did not break...yet.
Thanks for the tips, Kevin
Erich Trombley wrote:
>
> I have been using a different material for my outriggers for the last
> 6 years without issue. I chose to go with MDS (molybdenum
> disulfide) filled Nylon 6/6 material. The material is available on
> line from a number or vendors; I purchased mine from McMaster Carr.
> The material is very flexible, supposedly has good impact strength and
> is less subject to UV degradation than other materials. I have yet to
> break a leg. You might also try and scallop the back face of OR1 in
> attempt to reduce the stress riser.
>
> Erich Trombley
> N28ET Classis Mono 914
>
>
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Subject: | Carburator Heat and Drip Pans |
Hi Europa Dudes and Dudettes,
At Sun N Fun I bought a set of drip pans for the carbs. They're the round
shaped ones that many of the Rotax parts sellers have. Then I decided to
take the plunge recently and install the Skydrive carb heaters. And, as I
kind of knew, they don't play well together. Has anyone had this combo? If
so, did you cut the drip pans and add some material to make them fit
together or make new ones from scratch. It would, IMHO, take some fancy
aluminum welding to add 3/4" or so. So I'm open to suggestions. Too late to
send the carb heaters back, but at the same time I need drip pans. Cut and
find an aluminum welder or make from scratch. Oh, one more question:
Wouldn't stainless make better drip pans and heat shields anyway?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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Jim,
I have installed these in the same setup that you have.
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My vent tube from the rear connected to an open space in the overhead just
behind my head and I installed two of these vents....one for me and the other
for my passenger.
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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Subject: | Re: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans |
Hi Europa Dude alas Troy,
I have this combination. I got the drip trays cut down by an engineering
firm. Not cheap but had to be done.
Cheers,
Tim
Europa Classic Monowheel #292 Rotax 912S Airmaster
Prop. 180 hours
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
PH 0064 3 3515166
MOB 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 3:52 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans
> Hi Europa Dudes and Dudettes,
>
> At Sun N Fun I bought a set of drip pans for the carbs. They're the round
> shaped ones that many of the Rotax parts sellers have. Then I decided to
> take the plunge recently and install the Skydrive carb heaters. And, as I
> kind of knew, they don't play well together. Has anyone had this combo? If
> so, did you cut the drip pans and add some material to make them fit
> together or make new ones from scratch. It would, IMHO, take some fancy
> aluminum welding to add 3/4" or so. So I'm open to suggestions. Too late
> to
> send the carb heaters back, but at the same time I need drip pans. Cut and
> find an aluminum welder or make from scratch. Oh, one more question:
> Wouldn't stainless make better drip pans and heat shields anyway?
>
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
>
>
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