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1. 01:34 AM - Re: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans (Robert C Harrison)
2. 02:32 AM - Re: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's (David Joyce)
3. 04:02 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Raimo Toivio)
4. 04:32 AM - Re: Air Vents (h&jeuropa)
5. 04:54 AM - Re: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans (Karl Heindl)
6. 05:03 AM - Air Vents (Remi Guerner)
7. 11:36 AM - Fw: one wing landing (David Joyce)
8. 01:50 PM - Re: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's (Robert C Harrison)
9. 02:10 PM - Re: Fw: one wing landing (Peter Zutrauen)
10. 02:20 PM - Re: Fw: one wing landing (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
11. 05:19 PM - Re: Fw: one wing landing (Mike Gregory)
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| Subject: | Carburator Heat and Drip Pans |
Hi! Troy
My 914 came from Rotax with fabricated trays ,not the cast rounded ones.
Probably they'd be easier reshaped and welded. Being fabricated may well
be cheaper than the cast type anyway.
BTW I have no carb heat with my turbo/intercooler combination and I've
never seen the carb throat temperature below 6 deg Celcius even on a
long power off decent in humid typically icing conditions. However 912S
installation may be quite a different situation.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]
Sent: 30 October 2008 02:53
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Europa-List: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans
Hi Europa Dudes and Dudettes,
At Sun N Fun I bought a set of drip pans for the carbs.
They're the round shaped ones that many of the Rotax parts sellers have.
Then I decided to take the plunge recently and install the Skydrive carb
heaters. And, as I kind of knew, they don't play well together. Has
anyone had this combo? If so, did you cut the drip pans and add some
material to make them fit together or make new ones from scratch. It
would, IMHO, take some fancy aluminum welding to add 3/4" or so. So I'm
open to suggestions. Too late to send the carb heaters back, but at the
same time I need drip pans. Cut and find an aluminum welder or make from
scratch. Oh, one more question: Wouldn't stainless make better drip pans
and heat shields anyway?
Troy Maynor
N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
Left to finish:
Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
Weaverville, NC USA
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| Subject: | Re: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's |
Bob, I feel that the system works pretty well as it is. The weather on
Tuesday shouldn't have come as a great surprise to anyone - Paddy had it
worked out some days before, and probably would not have suggested that day
unless he had been disappearing abroad the next, and in any case it would
be a pity if we didn't occasionally fly in something other than CavOK! But
also in practical terms there is much to be said for having at least one
day's notice to get the pink chitty organised. Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's
Hi! All DOTHer's and prospectives..
As Paddy indicated yesterday's DOTH turned into an ordeal due to the weather
advancing way ahead of initial forecasts. Those who believed the original
predictions were met by snow and sleet in much more abundance than we had
when north of the Arctic Circle in June !
This brings me to remember that when Bryan Allsop and I first conceived the
DOTH I had suggested some kind of spontaneous DOTH with SAME DAY initiation
where the guy who "had the baton" would call all those who had registered an
interest by 'phone. In the winter season this would be safer and lead to
happier flying conditions in that today being a glorious day wouldn't be
wasted.
Has anyone any suggestions ? Don't volunteer me for the baton since I'm
about to ground G-PTAG for winter "titivation" service and the confounded
Mode S .
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
From: Robert C Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 28 October 2008 20:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi! Paddy
No problems no one can be right all the time and in my opinion the weather
forecasts were way out. Certainly I wouldn't have gone if I'd realized
there would be snow and low cloud base.
Hope your trip to OZ is more successful...Have a great time.
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy Clarke
Sent: 28 October 2008 14:55
Subject: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi Folks,
Shobdon today was not the best choice I've made for a DOTH. My apologies to
those intrepid souls who got there only to find that I'd already gone. I'm
off to Oz tomorrow, and couldn't take the chance I'd end up anywhere but
home tonight.
I'll try and do better on return!
All the Best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: outrigger leg broke |
I painted those legs by UV-protected paint
(yes - paint is still there w/o any damages).
That was also and mostly for their appearance - now they almost
disappear when retracted.
When unpainted people may think they are made by that ugly, weak and
hollow tube for electric wires.
Raimo
OH-XRT 2007 #417
95,5 hrs 209 landings
----- Original Message -----
From: Erich Trombley
To: europa-list-digest@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 12:18 AM
Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke
I have been using a different material for my outriggers for the last
6 years without issue. I chose to go with MDS (molybdenum disulfide)
filled Nylon 6/6 material. The material is available on line from a
number or vendors; I purchased mine from McMaster Carr. The material is
very flexible, supposedly has good impact strength and is less subject
to UV degradation than other materials. I have yet to break a leg. You
might also try and scallop the back face of OR1 in attempt to reduce the
stress riser.
Erich Trombley
N28ET Classis Mono 914
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The RV guys use the one's available from Stein Air (www.steinair.com). Supposedly much stronger construction, better seals and low friction wear surfaces. But also kinda expensive.
Jim Butcher
N241BW
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=211146#211146
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| Subject: | Carburator Heat and Drip Pans |
Troy=2C
I made drip 'pans'=2C I prefer to call them heat shields out of the origina
l firewall material=2C and attached them to the upper bolt of the exhaust p
ipe. My idea was to shield the carbs from the intense heat below=2C to stop
the fuel from boiling when taxiing. It is a very simple mod and solved the
boiling problem.
I also have the carb heater=2C but rarely switch it to ON.
Karl
> From: wingnut54@charter.net> To: europa-list@matronics.com> Subject: Euro
pa-List: Carburator Heat and Drip Pans> Date: Wed=2C 29 Oct 2008 22:52:35 -
0400> > Hi Europa Dudes and Dudettes=2C> > At Sun N Fun I bought a set of d
rip pans for the carbs. They're the round> shaped ones that many of the Rot
ax parts sellers have. Then I decided to> take the plunge recently and inst
all the Skydrive carb heaters. And=2C as I> kind of knew=2C they don't play
well together. Has anyone had this combo? If> so=2C did you cut the drip p
ans and add some material to make them fit> together or make new ones from
scratch. It would=2C IMHO=2C take some fancy> aluminum welding to add 3/4"
or so. So I'm open to suggestions. Too late to> send the carb heaters back
=2C but at the same time I need drip pans. Cut and> find an aluminum welder
or make from scratch. Oh=2C one more question:> Wouldn't stainless make be
tter drip pans and heat shields anyway?> > > Troy Maynor> N120EU Europa Mon
owheel Classic> Left to finish:> Seats=2C engine install underway=2C some w
iring.> Weaverville=2C NC USA>
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Jim,
>From experience, ACS air vents are either cheap plastic ones which are
not good quality and fail quickly or very expensive aluminum ones.
Another source is SteinAir. http://www.steinair.com/eyeballvents.htm
They sell high quality aluminum vents at a more reasonable price.
Hope that helps
Remi Guerner
F-PGKL
>>>I have an NACA vent in my rudder and tubing running forward to the
overhead
panel in the cockpit.=C2- I would like to install a couple of
overhead v
ents similar to those in airliners.=C2- What have others used and
where d
o you get them?=C2- >>>>>
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| Subject: | Fw: one wing landing |
This is a tad off topic, but too good not to pass on!
Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
Subject: one wing landing
The video clip you'll see if you click on the link below shows an amazing
piece of flying and a very scary moment.
Needless to say, this is one pilot with better than average flying
skills...and luck(?). Amazing.
http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
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| Subject: | Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's |
Hi! David.
I know that generally "practice makes perfect" but I prefer to stick
with flying to enjoy it and Tuesday was not so.
I understand that the Doths as currently worked seem to be OK. However
I'm confident that more would "rise to the occasion" when given the
chance of flying in such as yesterday's weather.
In my case "pink chitty's are negotiated by a simple statement that
"I'll be flying one day next week" I don't have to define which day !
So in my mind having "CALLED A DOTH FOR NEXT WEEK AND DECLARED THE
DESTINATION" I WOULD EXPECT THOSE PREPARED TO COMMIT TO CONTACT ME WITH
PHONE NUMBERS TO ENABLE ME TO MAKE A SPONTANEOUS PHONE CALL THE NIGHT
BEFORE OR EVEN THE MORNING OF THE ACTUAL DAY"
I CAN SEE THAT THIS IS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED THAN THE PRESENT SYSTEM
and it may interfere with such as golfing commitments!
REGARDS
Bob H
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Joyce
Sent: 30 October 2008 09:32
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Bob, I feel that the system works pretty well as it is. The weather on
Tuesday shouldn't have come as a great surprise to anyone - Paddy had it
worked out some days before, and probably would not have suggested that
day
unless he had been disappearing abroad the next, and in any case it
would
be a pity if we didn't occasionally fly in something other than CavOK!
But
also in practical terms there is much to be said for having at least one
day's notice to get the pink chitty organised. Regards, David Joyce,
G-XSDJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's
Hi! All DOTHer's and prospectives..
As Paddy indicated yesterday's DOTH turned into an ordeal due to the
weather
advancing way ahead of initial forecasts. Those who believed the
original
predictions were met by snow and sleet in much more abundance than we
had
when north of the Arctic Circle in June !
This brings me to remember that when Bryan Allsop and I first conceived
the
DOTH I had suggested some kind of spontaneous DOTH with SAME DAY
initiation
where the guy who "had the baton" would call all those who had
registered an
interest by 'phone. In the winter season this would be safer and lead
to
happier flying conditions in that today being a glorious day wouldn't be
wasted.
Has anyone any suggestions ? Don't volunteer me for the baton since I'm
about to ground G-PTAG for winter "titivation" service and the
confounded
Mode S .
Regards
Bob H G-PTAG
From: Robert C Harrison [mailto:ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk]
Sent: 28 October 2008 20:15
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi! Paddy
No problems no one can be right all the time and in my opinion the
weather
forecasts were way out. Certainly I wouldn't have gone if I'd realized
there would be snow and low cloud base.
Hope your trip to OZ is more successful...Have a great time.
Best regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paddy
Clarke
Sent: 28 October 2008 14:55
Subject: Europa-List: Shobdon Today
Hi Folks,
Shobdon today was not the best choice I've made for a DOTH. My apologies
to
those intrepid souls who got there only to find that I'd already gone.
I'm
off to Oz tomorrow, and couldn't take the chance I'd end up anywhere but
home tonight.
I'll try and do better on return!
All the Best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: one wing landing |
Unfortunately it is a viral video for marketing the killathrill clothing
company. It's a fake compilation with digital editing and partially? a model
airplane. Look closely at the shadows on the ground, as well as the
bouncing (or lack of it) frequency.
avweb had also analyzed it.
virul video at it's best.
cheers,
Pete
A239
On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 2:34 PM, David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>wrote:
> davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> This is a tad off topic, but too good not to pass on!
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> Subject: one wing landing
>
>
> The video clip you'll see if you click on the link below shows an amazing
> piece of flying and a very scary moment.
>
>
> Needless to say, this is one pilot with better than average flying
> skills...and luck(?). Amazing.
>
> http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: one wing landing |
If you believe it's not a model!
The (over?) size of the tailplane seems to shrink on the final (spliced-in?)
clip.
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: one wing landing
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> This is a tad off topic, but too good not to pass on!
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> Subject: one wing landing
>
>
> The video clip you'll see if you click on the link below shows an amazing
> piece of flying and a very scary moment.
>
>
> Needless to say, this is one pilot with better than average flying
> skills...and luck(?). Amazing.
>
> http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fw: one wing landing |
I agree with Duncan -- if you had just filmed such an amazing event,
wouldn't you have rushed round to photograph the side of the aircraft that
was missing a wing?
Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami
McFadyean
Sent: 30 October 2008 21:20
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Fw: one wing landing
<ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
If you believe it's not a model!
The (over?) size of the tailplane seems to shrink on the final (spliced-in?)
clip.
Duncan McF
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 6:34 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Fw: one wing landing
>
> <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>
> This is a tad off topic, but too good not to pass on!
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>
> Subject: one wing landing
> The video clip you'll see if you click on the link below shows an amazing
> piece of flying and a very scary moment.
>
> Needless to say, this is one pilot with better than average flying
> skills...and luck(?). Amazing.
>
> http://www.chilloutzone.de/files/08102703.html
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