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1. 12:21 AM - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (dralle@matronics.com)
2. 01:24 AM - Re: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's (Robert C Harrison)
3. 06:48 AM - Oil tank venting (Carl Pattinson)
4. 07:59 AM - Re: {Spam?} Oil tank venting (R Holder)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Oil tank venting ()
6. 11:10 AM - Re: Oil tank venting (tony.bale@virgin.net)
7. 01:24 PM - Re: Oil tank venting (G-IANI)
8. 01:36 PM - Re: Oil tank venting (Tim Ward)
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| Subject: | Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! |
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| Subject: | Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's |
Hi! Mike
"Pink Chitty's" are the authorization note that pilots "who respect
their wives wishes" have to obtain before taking leave to go flying !
They can use up valuable weather options since the wives also prefer to
go on land based trips in fine weather rather than crappy flying
weather!
I'm all for give and take on this one but I always presume she would
prefer I came home safely on a fine day rather than not at all on a
pissing wet day !
After all even on a wet day exciting things to do can be found on land
INSIDE !
I think "Green Chitty's" are similar but apply to golfing buffs.
The safe option for them (if they are fliers) is to apply for both
simultaneously in case the WX turns out to be suitable for flying as
well as golfing !
The only passive way to avoid these licence requirements is to find a
flying, golfing woman and marry her then you will be at war which sport
you do on any day and if it is flying be sure to have two single seat
planes or you will finish up fighting who has the P1 privileges!
This type of woman is best found by observing the flying wives of other
pilots and asking them if they have an unmarried SISTER ! (Unless you
are a complete arse and steal the other pilots wife?)
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DuaneFamly@aol.com
Sent: 01 November 2008 03:19
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa UK fliers..and DOTH's
OK....I give up....what are pink chittys?
Do Not Archive
Mike Duane A207A
Redding, California
XS Conventional Gear
Jabiru 3300A
Sensenich R64Z N
Ground Adjustable Prop
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| Subject: | Oil tank venting |
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When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago) the vent line was
routed to the side of the cowling. The end result is that there is a smell
of oil coming in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing. I suspect
the location of the outlet pipe is also in the airstream resulting in an
excessive loss of oil as it is getting sucked out (and coating the side of
the fuselage).
I was under the impression was that the solution would be to route the vent
pipe via a collector bottle but reading the manual Europa recommend just
routing it to the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being optional).
My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it takes to fill up the
overflow bottle with oil and how frequently one would need to remove the
cowling (to empty the bottle).
So, based on communal experience which is likely to be the best arrangement -
routing via the bottle or omitting the bottle and ensuring the outlet isnt
placed in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of the exhaust stub (using
copper tube) which would hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil that
escaped. The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took place -
perhaps terminating using a T piece.
Suggestions please ?
Carl Pattinson
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank venting |
Carl Pattinson wrote:
> When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago)
> the vent line was routed to the side of the cowling.
> The end result is that there is a smell of oil coming
> in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing. I
> suspect the location of the outlet pipe is also in the
> airstream resulting in an excessive loss of oil as it
> is getting sucked out (and coating the side of the
> fuselage).
>
> I was under the impression was that the solution would
> be to route the vent pipe via a collector bottle but
> reading the manual Europa recommend just routing it to
> the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being optional).
>
> My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it
> takes to fill up the overflow bottle with oil and how
> frequently one would need to remove the cowling (to
> empty the bottle).
>
> So, based on communal experience which is likely to be
> the best arrangement - routing via the bottle or
> omitting the bottle and ensuring the outlet isnt placed
> in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
>
> One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of
> the exhaust stub (using copper tube) which would
> hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil that escaped.
> The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took
> place - perhaps terminating using a T piece.
>
> Suggestions please ?
I have 350 hours and 5 1/2 years on my Europa and I have
never needed to empty my overflow bottle ! It has an
insignificant amount of oil in it ! Is is tucked between
the engine mounting frame and the firewall, resting on the
top of the radiator ducting.
HTH
Richard
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Widford, Ware, Herts, 07860 367423 (mobile)
SG12 8SH email : richard.holder@avnet.co.uk
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank venting |
Go the bottle route Carl, we have never had more than a thimble full in
ours in over 12 years and 1200 hrs. It is fumes rather than oil that is
emitted.
Jim Naylor
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 1:47 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank venting
When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago) the vent line
was routed to the side of the cowling. The end result is that there is a
smell of oil coming in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing.
I suspect the location of the outlet pipe is also in the airstream
resulting in an excessive loss of oil as it is getting sucked out (and
coating the side of the fuselage).
I was under the impression was that the solution would be to route the
vent pipe via a collector bottle but reading the manual Europa recommend
just routing it to the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being
optional).
My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it takes to fill up
the overflow bottle with oil and how frequently one would need to remove
the cowling (to empty the bottle).
So, based on communal experience which is likely to be the best
arrangement - routing via the bottle or omitting the bottle and ensuring
the outlet isnt placed in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of the exhaust stub
(using copper tube) which would hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil
that escaped. The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took place
- perhaps terminating using a T piece.
Suggestions please ?
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Oil tank venting |
We use the catch tank option, a small polythene bottle on the pilots side,
on top of the footwell. In 300+ hours I doubt we have seen half a cup full
in total. We have the Airmaster prop so the engine sees high revs on take
off and typically 5000 cruise. Occassionally we might get a slight smell of
oil fumes, but not very often. I doubt the engine has in total burnt and
pushed out 1 pint of oil in that time.
Tony.
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From: Carl Pattinson carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank venting
When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago) the vent line was
routed to the side of the cowling. The end result is that there is a smell
of oil coming in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing. I
suspect the location of the outlet pipe is also in the airstream resulting
in an excessive loss of oil as it is getting sucked out (and coating the
side of the fuselage).
I was under the impression was that the solution would be to route the vent
pipe via a collector bottle but reading the manual Europa recommend just
routing it to the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being optional).
My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it takes to fill up the
overflow bottle with oil and how frequently one would need to remove the
cowling (to empty the bottle).
So, based on communal experience which is likely to be the best arrangement
- routing via the bottle or omitting the bottle and ensuring the outlet
isnt placed in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of the exhaust stub
(using copper tube) which would hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil
that escaped. The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took place -
perhaps terminating using a T piece.
Suggestions please ?
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Oil tank venting |
Carl
We have a bottle on our 914. It collects a little water and some oil mist.
In 250 hours I have only ever emptied it when doing an annual. It has never
had more than about 10mm of fluid in it.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carl Pattinson
Sent: 01 November 2008 13:47
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank venting
When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago) the vent line was
routed to the side of the cowling. The end result is that there is a smell
of oil coming in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing. I suspect
the location of the outlet pipe is also in the airstream resulting in an
excessive loss of oil as it is getting sucked out (and coating the side of
the fuselage).
I was under the impression was that the solution would be to route the vent
pipe via a collector bottle but reading the manual Europa recommend just
routing it to the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being optional).
My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it takes to fill up the
overflow bottle with oil and how frequently one would need to remove the
cowling (to empty the bottle).
So, based on communal experience which is likely to be the best arrangement
- routing via the bottle or omitting the bottle and ensuring the outlet isnt
placed in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of the exhaust stub (using
copper tube) which would hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil that
escaped. The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took place -
perhaps terminating using a T piece.
Suggestions please ?
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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| Subject: | Re: Oil tank venting |
Carl,
I have my overflow going into an aluminium container, (in fact a 'Baroca
tube' the ones you can buy at the pharmacy or supermarket to boost your
life!) and is located on the pilot wheelwell firewall lower then the oil
tank (Classic). It normally has little in it at 100hr checks.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
PH 0064 3 3515166
MOB 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Pattinson
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 2:47 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Oil tank venting
When we originally installed our oil tank (5 years ago) the vent line
was routed to the side of the cowling. The end result is that there is a
smell of oil coming in from the NACA vent when the aircraft is climbing.
I suspect the location of the outlet pipe is also in the airstream
resulting in an excessive loss of oil as it is getting sucked out (and
coating the side of the fuselage).
I was under the impression was that the solution would be to route the
vent pipe via a collector bottle but reading the manual Europa recommend
just routing it to the bottom of the cowling (the bottle being
optional).
My concern over the bottle arrangement is how long it takes to fill up
the overflow bottle with oil and how frequently one would need to remove
the cowling (to empty the bottle).
So, based on communal experience which is likely to be the best
arrangement - routing via the bottle or omitting the bottle and ensuring
the outlet isnt placed in the airflow where it could be sucked out.
One thought was to terminate the line at the exit of the exhaust stub
(using copper tube) which would hopefully vaporise and burn off any oil
that escaped. The arrangement would need to ensure no suction took place
- perhaps terminating using a T piece.
Suggestions please ?
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
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