---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/03/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:55 AM - Re: fuel pump etc (Robert C Harrison) 2. 03:04 AM - Re: fuel pump etc (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 3. 06:50 AM - Re: fuel pump etc (Robert C Harrison) 4. 07:54 AM - Starter Motor (rick) 5. 08:44 AM - Re: Starter Motor (Steve Pitt) 6. 09:49 AM - Re: Starter Motor (rick) 7. 09:51 AM - Re: Aileron hinge wear (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 8. 10:46 AM - Re: outrigger leg broke (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 9. 03:20 PM - trigear (fraser221) 10. 04:31 PM - Re: trigear (Graham Singleton) 11. 04:55 PM - Re: Lithium Polymer start battery (Graham Singleton) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:57 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Please Make a Contribution to Support Your Lists... Dear Listers, Just a reminder that November is the Annual List Fund Raiser. Please make a Contribution today to support the continued operation and upgrade of these great List services!! Pick up a really nice free gift with your qualifying Contribution too! The Contribution Site is fast and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:55:52 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc Hi! Rowland Don't know about "ahead" of fuel pump for gascolator. But IMHO in direction of flow terms the gascolator needs to be between tank and pump (Of course in this context "ahead" may be the same). The last thing you need in the pump is unfiltered fuel. Regards Bob H G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Sent: 02 November 2008 22:54 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pump etc At 2008-10-26 20:29 -0400 DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: >This is what I did..... Mike - thanks for the nice pictures. The layout looks neat .... But shouldn't the gascolator be ahead of the fuel pump in the sequence? And all the advice I've seen is that the pump wants to be mounted at 45 degrees, or at least have its inlet lower than its outlet. regards Rowland -- | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/ | ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ... ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:47 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pump etc Depends on the type of pump. A roller-cell pump (914 etc) is very intolerant of dirt (it scores the traces in the pump). The shuttle type pump (eg Facet) is far more tolerant. Both types of pump are much better at pushing than pulling; so any partial blockage of a filter on the suction side will test the ability of the pump to suck (typically a maximum suction head of 0.6m is quoted for roller cell pumps; much of this allowance can be used up with high flow rates and the tortuous plumbing frequently seen). This is asking for trouble, particularly if Mogas is being used. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C Harrison" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc > > > > Hi! Rowland > Don't know about "ahead" of fuel pump for gascolator. But IMHO in > direction of flow terms the gascolator needs to be between tank and pump > (Of course in this context "ahead" may be the same). The last thing you > need in the pump is unfiltered fuel. > Regards > Bob H G-PTAG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & > Wilma Carson > Sent: 02 November 2008 22:54 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pump etc > > > > At 2008-10-26 20:29 -0400 DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > >>This is what I did..... > > Mike - thanks for the nice pictures. The layout looks neat .... > > But shouldn't the gascolator be ahead of the fuel pump in the sequence? > > And all the advice I've seen is that the pump wants to be mounted at > 45 degrees, or at least have its inlet lower than its outlet. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:15 AM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc Hi! Duncan Yes I understand but of course there is generally a "head" assisting the suction side of the pumps since they are on the belly plate. My reserve side is my main fall back system but at least the gascolator filters do allow for quite a volume of contamination before blocking and regular water drain checks AND gascolator drain checks should give adequate insurance. My previous experiences of blockage was the "dog hair and cloth fibres" in a bad drilling intersection of the Europa Tank Connectors. Now with Graham Singleton's connectors fitted at least the "crud" gets through to the gascolators . I'm no longer using the gauze type finger filters but brass tubular with many holes drilled and deburred so as not to catch the fibres etc. Still I had the problem with water and rust which I believe I picked up in Europe. I use white plastic drums to fill locally with visual inspection of the drum bottom prior to using one of Alan Burrows electric pumps which doesn't reach the bottom anyway. However it still didn't show in the tank water drains. When I ground the a/c soon for the Mode S fiasco I will have the tank top off and do wipe out. At least the gascolators will accommodate a reasonable volume of water before blocking, if "REASONABLE" IS THE WORD! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Duncan & Ami McFadyean Sent: 03 November 2008 11:04 Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pump etc Depends on the type of pump. A roller-cell pump (914 etc) is very intolerant of dirt (it scores the traces in the pump). The shuttle type pump (eg Facet) is far more tolerant. Both types of pump are much better at pushing than pulling; so any partial blockage of a filter on the suction side will test the ability of the pump to suck (typically a maximum suction head of 0.6m is quoted for roller cell pumps; much of this allowance can be used up with high flow rates and the tortuous plumbing frequently seen). This is asking for trouble, particularly if Mogas is being used. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert C Harrison" Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 9:54 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc > > > > Hi! Rowland > Don't know about "ahead" of fuel pump for gascolator. But IMHO in > direction of flow terms the gascolator needs to be between tank and pump > (Of course in this context "ahead" may be the same). The last thing you > need in the pump is unfiltered fuel. > Regards > Bob H G-PTAG > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & > Wilma Carson > Sent: 02 November 2008 22:54 > To: europa-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Europa-List: fuel pump etc > > > > At 2008-10-26 20:29 -0400 DuaneFamly@aol.com wrote: > >>This is what I did..... > > Mike - thanks for the nice pictures. The layout looks neat .... > > But shouldn't the gascolator be ahead of the fuel pump in the sequence? > > And all the advice I've seen is that the pump wants to be mounted at > 45 degrees, or at least have its inlet lower than its outlet. > > regards > > Rowland > -- > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:57 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: Europa-List: Starter Motor My standard size 912S starter seems to have given up the ghost. To save me lots of digging can anyone let me know if it is removable with the engine in situ on the XS. Thanks in anticipation. p.s. I'd like to call a DOTH for the Friday of Sun & Fun at the Europa booth. Normal time. I'd put a smiley in but can't find them on this computer. Cheers Rick G-RIKS 912S Trike XS Checked by AVG. 07:46 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:16 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter Motor I managed to change the standard to heavy duty starter with no problems - engine in situ. I thought the idea of the DOTH was to fly in to an aerodrome - are you intending to fly in to Lakeland? ! - ) I will be there, though not with 'DH. Regards Steve G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: rick To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Starter Motor My standard size 912S starter seems to have given up the ghost. To save me lots of digging can anyone let me know if it is removable with the engine in situ on the XS. Thanks in anticipation. p.s. I'd like to call a DOTH for the Friday of Sun & Fun at the Europa booth. Normal time. I'd put a smiley in but can't find them on this computer. Cheers Rick G-RIKS 912S Trike XS Checked by AVG. 03/11/2008 07:46 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:49:25 AM PST US From: "rick" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Starter Motor Thanks Steve. Yep on a Virgin 747 I hope. I'll be the one sobbing at the check in begging for an upgrade! Cheers Rick G-RIKS _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Pitt Sent: 03 November 2008 16:41 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter Motor I managed to change the standard to heavy duty starter with no problems - engine in situ. I thought the idea of the DOTH was to fly in to an aerodrome - are you intending to fly in to Lakeland? ! - ) I will be there, though not with 'DH. Regards Steve G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: HYPERLINK "mailto:rick@amimotormanagement.co.uk"rick Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 3:52 PM Subject: Europa-List: Starter Motor My standard size 912S starter seems to have given up the ghost. To save me lots of digging can anyone let me know if it is removable with the engine in situ on the XS. Thanks in anticipation. p.s. I'd like to call a DOTH for the Friday of Sun & Fun at the Europa booth. Normal time. I'd put a smiley in but can't find them on this computer. Cheers Rick G-RIKS 912S Trike XS Checked by AVG. 03/11/2008 07:46 href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref="http ://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List"http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Europa-List Checked by AVG. 07:46 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:26 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Aileron hinge wear From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" We added the third hinge, per Kim Prout's suggestion, and installed teflon tubing on our hinge pins, as described in the following URL. With over 600 hours now on the plane, we have had no problems with the aileron hinges. Still tight hinges and no need to lube. We also did this mod recently on our motor glider wings, which was not that difficult, once you get the hang of if. http://terryseaver.home.comcast.net/~terryseaver/N135TD_mods.htm#Teflon_ sleeving_for_hinge_pins regards, Terry Seaver ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lisbet og Gert Dalgaard Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:13 AM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Aileron hinge wear Correct. A fix for that is to mount teflon-covered pins, but that is hell of a job ... /Gert OY-GDS Den 22/10/2008 kl. 16.27 skrev Robert C Harrison: Hi! Gert The most simple and lightest way! Except close inspection should prevail to identify any actual oval holes later in life before the Aileron departs ! Regards Bob Harrison ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:20 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Kevin, Sorry to hear of your mishap. Kim Prout had an outrigger leg break on landing at Livermore once. We gave him one of our legs from out kit to get him home. Fortunately for him, no damage to the prop, etc. We now keep a spare leg in our plane, just in case. Regards, Terry -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Klinefelter Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 3:58 PM Subject: Europa-List: outrigger leg broke Hi All, While taxiing today on pavement my left outrigger gear leg snapped off. I pulled the brake, and the Airmaster warp drive blades hit the asphalt and shredded. Has anyone heard of an outrigger leg snapping off like that? I thought they were supposed to bend a lot without breaking. very sad Kevin ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:14 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: trigear From: "fraser221" can anyone tell me if the trigear conversion kit is the same for the xs model as the classic please. vic kit 499 just starting out Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:37 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: trigear fraser221 wrote: > > can anyone tell me if the trigear conversion kit is the same for the xs model as the classic please. > > vic > kit 499 > just starting out Yes Graham ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:39 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Lithium Polymer start battery Thomas Scherer wrote: > > it's probably the new LiFePo battery. Has 12.8 Volts and will handle > 10 times the number of cycles of a Lipo. > > I have found them only here til now (German dealer): > http://www.lipopower.de/shop/pages-main/category-149/linano-lifepo-fuer-elektroantrieb.html > > > Thomas I think I accidentally deleted your email in Mailwasher, could you send again please? 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