---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/05/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:20 AM - List Fund Raiser (Matt Dralle) 1. 11:08 AM - Time to Paint? (DuaneFamly@aol.com) 2. 11:41 AM - Re: Time to Paint? (Terry Seaver (terrys)) 3. 11:47 AM - Re: Time to Paint? (karelvranken) 4. 11:52 AM - Re: Time to Paint? (craig bastin) 5. 12:05 PM - Re: Time to Paint? (Paul Boulet) 6. 03:14 PM - Re: W26 lift pin blocks (Flying Farmer) 7. 03:25 PM - Re: fuel pump etc (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 8. 11:10 PM - Re: fuel pump etc (Greg Fuchs) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:22 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: List Fund Raiser A couple of years ago I implemented an automatic "squelch button" of sorts for the Fund Raiser messages. Here's how it works... 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The system keys on the given email address and since most of these are anonymous public access methods, there is no simple way to filter them.] ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:52 AM PST US From: DuaneFamly@aol.com Subject: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Good day all, I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:25 AM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Time to Paint? From: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" Hi Mike, We decided not to fly until painted for the following reasons; 1) the color must be white to keep from getting too hot. One plane we know of had light grey primer on a control surface that warped in the sun. 2) even with white primer, the primer is usually more porous than paint, and may get impregnated with engine oils, bug juice, etc, that may cause problems later on when you do paint. just my two cents worth, Terry Seaver ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Good day all, I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ________________________________ AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now =http://searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from-aol-search/?n c id=emlcntussear00000001> . ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:02 AM PST US From: "karelvranken" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Mike, If you crash in the first 40 hours then you would have saved the paint costs. Still smiling, Karel Vranken # 447 F-PKRL 200 hours and upholstery to be done. ----- Original Message ----- From: DuaneFamly@aol.com To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 8:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Good day all, I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:52:01 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Time to Paint? hard to say, I thought about it, that way if u need to make any changes you wont wreck your paint job, but to know you still haven't finished when you do your test flights would bug me I think, also what damage will you do to the structure due to UV unless you plan on doing your 40 hours at night : ) regards craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Thursday, 6 November 2008 5:07 AM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Good day all, I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doctor, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to paint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment....he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 years....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion. Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:00 PM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: RE: Europa-List: Time to Paint? I've been flying in primer for quite a few years.- One less worry about m essing up the paint when the seemingly never ending work/mods happen.- St ill only have 25 hours on the plane- trying to find the time and money to g et back out to Phoenix to continue the rest of the hours Paul Boulet, N914PB, Malibu, CA.- 914 tri gear --- On Wed, 11/5/08, Terry Seaver (terrys) wrote: From: Terry Seaver (terrys) Subject: RE: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Hi Mike, - We decided not to fly until painted-for the following reasons; 1) the color must be white to keep from getting too hot.- One plane we kn ow of had light grey primer on a control surface that warped in the sun. 2) even with white primer, the primer is usually more porous than paint, an d may get impregnated with engine oils, bug juice, etc, that may cause prob lems later on when you do paint. - just my two cents worth, - Terry Seaver - From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-serv er@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DuaneFamly@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 11:07 AM Subject: Europa-List: Time to Paint? Good day all, - I just came from my Flight Physical and since I have a real old flying doct or, we chatted over my build. When I brought up having to find someone to p aint my bird or go out and learn to do it myself...and buy the equipment... .he stated that he and friends that have built 6 planes over the past 10 ye ars....from Long EZ's to RV's....that they never painted their planes until after they flew off their 40 hours of test flying! This came as a surprise to me.....how about to you folks? Pros and Cons would be a big help in the upcoming discussion. - Mike Duane A207A Redding, California XS Conventional Gear Jabiru 3300A Sensenich R64Z N Ground Adjustable Prop AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday nee ds. Search Now. href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matronhref ="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: W26 lift pin blocks From: "Flying Farmer" Craig, Did you sort out the problem you had with setting the W26 blocks on your wings been to far starboard? If so what did you do? I have the same problem. Thank You. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:25:16 PM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc At 2008-11-04 19:30 -0800 Greg Fuchs wrote: >I thought it might be you, that had some info on this, >being one of the more thorough of anyone on the site Greg - thanks for your kind words. Some have been less complimentary in their choice of phrase; I got "pernickity" twice at a team-building event when folk were asked to pick one adjective for each participant. I take comfort, though, from the fact that none of them ever complained about me being pernickity when I was pre-flighting an aircraft they were shortly to be a passenger in! Attached as PDF is another way to look at the list of parts, courtesy of FileMaker Pro (where I make most of my lists), showing what connects to most of the parts. I find doing this sort of list helps to highlight any inconsistencies in my planning. The parts at the top without AN prefixes are from Speedflow, a UK supplier of race car plumbing parts. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1160 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:10:39 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: fuel pump etc >>I thought it might be you, that had some info on this, >>being one of the more thorough of anyone on the site >Greg - thanks for your kind words. Sure thing! > take comfort, though, from the fact that none of >them ever complained about me being pernickity when I was >pre-flighting an aircraft they were shortly to be a passenger in! Not ever! :)#) >Attached as PDF is another way to look at the list of parts, courtesy >of FileMaker Pro (where I make most of my lists), showing what >connects to most of the parts. I find doing this sort of list helps >to highlight any inconsistencies in my planning. I've got it in the print queue. Thanks. >The parts at the top without AN prefixes are from Speedflow, a UK >supplier of race car plumbing parts. We have a similar supplier here in Portland, OR. I may have to cross reference. >regards >Rowland -- Thanks again, I appreciate the help, Rowland. 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