---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/11/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:22 AM - Wednesday DOTH? (Richard Iddon) 2. 08:10 AM - Berube conventional gear (William McClellan) 3. 08:55 AM - Re: Wednesday DOTH? (Trevpond@aol.com) 4. 10:26 AM - Re: Berube conventional gear (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 5. 10:51 AM - Re: Wednesday DOTH? (Richard Iddon) 6. 11:05 AM - Re: Berube conventional gear (Graham Singleton) 7. 12:09 PM - Re: Berube conventional gear (Fred Klein) 8. 12:26 PM - Re: Wednesday DOTH? (William Harrison) 9. 02:25 PM - Antenna routing without effecting pitch trim indicator () 10. 02:56 PM - Re: Antenna routing without effecting pitch trim indicator (rampil) 11. 03:55 PM - Re: Berube conventional gear (grroberts3@juno.com) 12. 04:19 PM - Re: Berube conventional gear (Duncan & Ami McFadyean) 13. 07:54 PM - Re: Berube conventional gear (rparigoris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:27 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: Europa-List: Wednesday DOTH? Anyone for a DOTH tomorrow? Weather looks good. I don't have any of the mags for free landings so am open to suggestions. If all else fails how about Halfpenny Green? Please reply if you would like to go as I will find something else to do if no-one else is going. Richard Iddon G-RIXS ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:50 AM PST US From: William McClellan Subject: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear Hello group, after retiring, moving, traveling and a 3 year absence I am coming up to speed back working on my Europa again. This is my first post in the matronics system. I am just finishing installing my Berube conventional gear mod. I am dealing with the subsequent re-setup of the flap operation, i.e., deciding on electric or mechanical actuation. I am leaning toward mechanical. And how to make use of my now unused monowheel open space. The gear is raked about a foot and intended to be raked forward but Bob Berube told me it might be acceptable to put the rake rearward. I will have to evaluate each positions stability and tendency to ground loop. The gear is one piece and hangs just below the fuselage so should be fared in. I believe I will develop wheel pants. I know this is a somewhat general question but I am asking for suggestions (or pitfalls) and maybe pictures from those who have gone before. Thanks, Bill McClellan Jabaru powered 164XS So Cal ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:22 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wednesday DOTH? Hi Richard, I'm in. regards Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:16 AM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear William, The axle line relative to the CG position is quite far forward on the mono Europa, which puts quite a load on the tailwheel. However, this is one aspect of the Europa that the Factory were very happy with. It certainly reduces the tendency to nose-over. Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "William McClellan" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 4:02 PM Subject: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear > > > > Hello group, after retiring, moving, traveling and a 3 year absence I am > coming > up to speed back working on my Europa again. This is my first post in the > matronics > system. > > I am just finishing installing my Berube conventional gear mod. I am > dealing with > the subsequent re-setup of the flap operation, i.e., deciding on electric > or mechanical > actuation. I am leaning toward mechanical. And how to make use of my now > unused > monowheel open space. The gear is raked about a foot and intended to be > raked forward > but Bob Berube told me it might be acceptable to put the rake rearward. I > will > have to evaluate each positions stability and tendency to ground loop. > The gear > is one piece and hangs just below the fuselage so should be fared in. I > believe > I will develop wheel pants. I know this is a somewhat general question > but I am > asking for suggestions (or pitfalls) and maybe pictures from those who > have gone > before. > > Thanks, > Bill McClellan > Jabaru powered 164XS > So Cal > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:51:37 AM PST US From: "Richard Iddon" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Wednesday DOTH? OK. Halfpenny Green it is then. See you at around 12 as usual. Richard. G-RIXS Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Trevpond@aol.com Sent: 11 November 2008 16:52 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wednesday DOTH? Hi Richard, I'm in. regards Trev Pond G-LINN Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/10/2008 8:58 PM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:02 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear William, > The axle line relative to the CG position is quite far forward on the > mono Europa, which puts quite a load on the tailwheel. However, this > is one aspect of the Europa that the Factory were very happy with. It > certainly reduces the tendency to nose-over. > > Duncan McF. But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often dings the prop :-( Graham ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:09:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear From: Fred Klein On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 08:02 AM, William McClellan wrote: > I believe I will develop wheel pants. William, If memory serves, I believe I once heard that the pants used on the trigear are those which Bob B. originally designed and molded for his conventional gear conversion. Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:26:51 PM PST US From: William Harrison Subject: Re: Europa-List: Wednesday DOTH? Richard Me too Willie On 11 Nov 2008, at 16:52, Trevpond@aol.com wrote: > Hi Richard, > > I'm in. > > > regards > > > Trev Pond > G-LINN > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:20 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Antenna routing without effecting pitch trim indicator From: Was wondering specifics on wiring, how not to have radio transmission effect pitch trim indicator? Use of twisted Steinair servo wire? Use shielded signal wire for indicator perhaps? Where to get or how to make? RG400 versus RG58? Will have a Bob Archer antenna in rudder. Thx. in advance. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:58 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Antenna routing without effecting pitch trim indicator From: "rampil" I never noticed any RFI on my trim indicator even though I have rg58u bundled all the way out past the trim motor/sensor. Keep in mind Ron that the trim motor runs slowly and seldom will you need to watch it move on the indicator while transmitting. I use the trim indicator mostly to set takeoff trim, and feel to set trim in flight. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=213581#213581 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear From: grroberts3@juno.com Van's RV8 wheel pants seem to fit fine. GRoberts On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:02:47 -0800 Fred Klein writes: > > > > On Tuesday, November 11, 2008, at 08:02 AM, William McClellan > wrote: > > > I believe I will develop wheel pants. > > William, > > If memory serves, I believe I once heard that the pants used on the > > trigear are those which Bob B. originally designed and molded for > his > conventional gear conversion. > > Fred > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ Fast Computer Training. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mAUC2eDfBJvIwbMHFBaZN5EiZoIOBcpHTShZ8fOEwtE5DTC/ ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:57 PM PST US From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear > But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often dings the > prop< That would be true for the monowheel, with its unhelpful outrigger geometry (i.e.outrigger axes well behind the mainwheel axle). Duncan McF. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Singleton" Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear > > > > William, >> The axle line relative to the CG position is quite far forward on the >> mono Europa, which puts quite a load on the tailwheel. However, this is >> one aspect of the Europa that the Factory were very happy with. It >> certainly reduces the tendency to nose-over. >> >> Duncan McF. > But certainly increases the tendency to ground loop, which often dings the > prop :-( > Graham > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Berube conventional gear From: "rparigoris" Hi Duncan "That would be true for the monowheel, with its unhelpful outrigger geometry (i.e.outrigger axes well behind the mainwheel axle)." Perhaps we should be thinking in terms of "Applied Arcaic Technology" and actually attach a couple of axes forward on wing tips like WW1 Bi/Tri planes for beginners (and those well experianced)! Kinda sortta in line with main wheel. Real men need not be scared to hit brake if you are not going absolute straight!! (Well, let's make that not too scared if you have training axes) Do not arcive Ron Parigoris Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.