---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/14/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:06 AM - Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... (Matt Dralle) 1. 01:41 AM - Re: Stall strips (Tim Houlihan) 2. 02:01 AM - Re: Stall strips (nigel charles) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: Stall strips (rampil) 4. 12:08 PM - Tight control stick (danbish) 5. 02:10 PM - Re: Tight control stick (Robert C Harrison) 6. 02:57 PM - Re: Tight control stick () ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:02 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Fund Raiser Lagging Last Year By Over 30%... As of the 13th, the Fund Raiser is currently about 30% behind last year in terms of the number of Contributions. Yet, oddly the number of messages posted per day is up by 10 to 20% on the average. It costs real money to run these Lists and they are supported 100% though your Contributions during the Fund Raiser. Won't you please take a minute right now to make your Contribution to keep these Lists up and running? Contribution Page: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:41:41 AM PST US From: Tim Houlihan Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall strips Clive. My understanding is that the stall strips are there to ensure the pilot gets tactile warning of airflow breaking up just prior to stalling. As far as I know they do not make the actual stall more benign. maybe someone who has flown with and without the strips could tell if they make a difference to the behaviour at the stall. Tim H James, Clive R wrote: > > I'm having to fit some stall strip on my plane to make the stall a > little more benign. > Clive > Esqual VM1 3300 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:51 AM PST US From: "nigel charles" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Stall strips Be careful on placement as they can cause the stall speed to be raised which is not what you want. The other way to go is to fit a stall warning device. Nigel Charles -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Houlihan Sent: 14 November 2008 09:40 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Stall strips Clive. My understanding is that the stall strips are there to ensure the pilot gets tactile warning of airflow breaking up just prior to stalling. As far as I know they do not make the actual stall more benign. maybe someone who has flown with and without the strips could tell if they make a difference to the behaviour at the stall. Tim H James, Clive R wrote: > > I'm having to fit some stall strip on my plane to make the stall a > little more benign. > Clive > Esqual VM1 3300 > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 11/13/2008 6:01 PM ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:24 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Stall strips From: "rampil" The mechanism of action of stall strips is to force the stall to initial at a different section of wing. It does so by forcing the AOA to increase over a local region and thus must raise the intrinsic stall speed. The nature of the stall is effected by putting the strips inboard and thus moving the initial stall from a possible outboard location (interfering with the ailerons), to inboard. Thus strips increase stall speed and alter the stall flight characteristics by design and intent. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=214171#214171 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:45 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Tight control stick From: "danbish" Hi all, We discussed it here before, but I have one of those kits that has a lot of tightness in the control stick when moving it left and right. I've heard various ideas to fix it and only saw some slight improvement with putting a lubricant at the base of the stick. I was having the plane inspected by the EAA inspector last week and he thought we should try to get to the bottom of it. We loosened the assembly at the base of the stick but it didn't help much. Then we loosened the two bolts at the aft end of the control, back where the CS06 bush and CS08 crank bolt to the CS06 bearing. We saw immediate improvement even though we only loosened it a bit. Obviously there's something binding here and I assume it is the way that the flox pad cured... something wasn't lined up right. So, for those of you that have had this problem before, what's the best way to go about fixing it. Keep in mind that my cockpit module is already installed since I bought the kit that way. I can barely get to the bolts much less make any drastic changes to the flox pad. Maybe insert some shims? I'm just wondering if someone has already figured this one out and could save me some head scratching. Thanks in advance, Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:10:36 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tight control stick Hi! Dan Way back I had such a tightness in my control sticks when the control assembly's were connected up but I found it before the cockpit Module was installed. However I also had made provision for aerosol can lubrication "later in life" with holes drilled into the tuffnol bearings to receive the aerosol tube, in fact the rearmost bearings have permanent lubrication tubes through the bases of the seat backs. So I injected " BRASSO" or copper polish solution and sat for about two hours oscillating the control sticks back and forth. I then flushed out the Brasso solution with harmless solvent/spirit until it ran clean, then injected some light oil........problem solved. In my case it was useful with the cockpit module in the "diving mode" since it allowed the solvent to wash through any black abrasive polishings. This at the time caused lots of amusement but it turned out to be an effective fix. In fact someone developed a mechanical or electric motor/drill crank to drive the assembly......Have fun! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG Europa Trike Kit 337. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of danbish Sent: 14 November 2008 20:07 Subject: Europa-List: Tight control stick Hi all, We discussed it here before, but I have one of those kits that has a lot of tightness in the control stick when moving it left and right. I've heard various ideas to fix it and only saw some slight improvement with putting a lubricant at the base of the stick. I was having the plane inspected by the EAA inspector last week and he thought we should try to get to the bottom of it. We loosened the assembly at the base of the stick but it didn't help much. Then we loosened the two bolts at the aft end of the control, back where the CS06 bush and CS08 crank bolt to the CS06 bearing. We saw immediate improvement even though we only loosened it a bit. Obviously there's something binding here and I assume it is the way that the flox pad cured... something wasn't lined up right. So, for those of you that have had this problem before, what's the best way to go about fixing it. Keep in mind that my cockpit module is already installed since I bought the kit that way. I can barely get to the bolts much less make any drastic changes to the flox pad. Maybe insert some shims? I'm just wondering if someone has already figured this one out and could save me some head scratching. Thanks in advance, Dan Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:57:41 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Tight control stick From: Hi Dan We purchased A-265 with accelerated cockpit module. In 2004 it had loose aileron movement. Then when it came time to bond in CPM, it began to get a bit stiff. Ends up that it was assembled with some grease that expanded the tufnel. Since CPM was out of plane, was able to beat out aft bushings and used a flap wheel to enlarge. The front bushing was binding as well. It was not only the shaft to bushing fit as far as up and down goes, but front and back as well (thrust) was binding. We purchased some pig oil (lard cutting fluid, handy stuff for hacksaw and drilling and other cutting operations) and some abrasive compound from McMaster Carr www.mcmaster.com The compound is pretty amazing stuff, it begins as a cutting compound, then turns to a polish, then it disappears. They say it is even safe to use in an engine, it will not keep on cutting. Problem with many lapping compounds is they will embed into something soft and cut away forever. Be prepared for a yellow slimy mess though! 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