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0. 12:19 AM - What Members Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
1. 12:13 AM - Re: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (Pete Lawless)
2. 12:51 AM - Re: Dynon Autopilot (josok)
3. 01:10 AM - No Sywell DOTH Today (Richard Iddon)
4. 01:11 AM - Re: Re: Tach Question (craig bastin)
5. 01:16 AM - Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (David Stanbridge (Swift TG))
6. 01:26 AM - Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (Pete Lawless)
7. 01:47 AM - Re: No Sywell DOTH Today (rick)
8. 01:53 AM - Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (David Stanbridge (Swift TG))
9. 01:55 AM - Re: No Sywell DOTH Today (David Joyce)
10. 02:01 AM - Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (David Stanbridge (Swift TG))
11. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Dynon Autopilot (Peter Zutrauen)
12. 03:54 AM - Re: Europa factory web site missing???? (Bill Henderson)
13. 05:11 AM - Instrument rating (Steven Pitt)
14. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: Dynon Autopilot (Paul McAllister)
15. 06:49 AM - Re: Instrument rating (Pete Lawless)
16. 08:41 AM - Re: No Sywell DOTH Today (Richard Iddon)
17. 11:04 AM - Re: Instrument rating (jpg12305)
18. 12:10 PM - Re: Instrument rating (Paul McAllister)
19. 12:45 PM - Re: Remote Oil Pressure (D Wysong)
20. 01:08 PM - Re: Instrument rating (david park)
21. 02:23 PM - Europa - Instrument Rating. (Mike Parkin)
22. 02:46 PM - Chrome paint (Alex e Debora)
23. 02:56 PM - Chrome paint (Alex e Debora)
24. 03:10 PM - Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (Richard Iddon)
25. 03:14 PM - Re: No Sywell DOTH Today (Duncan & Ami McFadyean)
26. 03:24 PM - Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (Paul McAllister)
27. 03:37 PM - Re: Elevator Trim (Malcolm Ferguson)
28. 08:52 PM - Re: Tight control stick (danbish)
29. 10:49 PM - Re: Tight control stick (Tim Ward)
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| Subject: | Re: Europa factory web site missing???? |
There was a mail for the new lot a day or two back saying it was to be
revamped.
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Stockton
Sent: 17 November 2008 23:43
Subject: {Fraud?} {Disarmed} Re: Europa-List: Europa factory web site
missing????
http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/
Looks like it down
--- On Mon, 11/17/08, Bill Henderson <europabill@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Bill Henderson <europabill@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Europa-List: Europa factory web site missing????
<europabill@bellsouth.net>
Anyone know what happened to the Europa factory web site? Did it
disappear or is it me???????
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Autopilot |
Hi Tim,
First the answers:
No, no and no
Followed by my thoughts:
My experience with the D180 was that it was a nice thing to have. Can't think of
anything bad about the display or all the functions it had. It broke down after
3 hours of test flights, and lucky enough while on the ground. The repair
and the transport took 3 weeks and 120 for my part of the transport. Later i
became a Dynon betatester, ands i really appreciate the thouroughness of their
testing.
You have to realise though, that one disadvantage of such a system is to have all
eggs in one basket. At one time, accidently ending up in cloud between mountains,
it raised my heartbeat thinking of that.
Adding an autopilot worsens the odds.
The Dynon autopilot does not have any trim indication. You could be flying severely
out of trim without noticing before you or the autopilot switches itself
off. The Europa has a very powerfull trim and the combination is an accident
in the making. While it is an experimental airplane, making the experimental part
as small as possible does never hurt. Still, yes i would install the Dynon
autopilot, but would wait a couple of years before i would. I would first have
a backup for at least the horizon.
Regards,
Jos Okhuijsen
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | No Sywell DOTH Today |
Just phoned Sywell to be told that we can't go today, Runways
waterlogged etc. (Was OK when I phoned yesterday).
The weather is beautiful up here in Lancashire so maybe I'll go to
Caernarvon instead.
Sorry folks!
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa-List: Tach Question |
A lot of the new tachs are able to work happily from an inductive pickup
clipped to or wrapped around the HT cables, I have one that is so sensitive
you dont even need
the pickup touching the HT lead, if it is one of a simmilar sensitivity you
may find it works
ok if you just heat shrink or tape the pickup parallel to the one you have
already
have. other than that i cant see a reason not to splice it in.
craig
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Carl
Pattinson
Sent: Tuesday, 18 November 2008 5:46 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa-List: Tach Question
<carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Ours was done some while ago (Grand Rapids). I didnt wire the panel myself
but as far as I know there is no special arrangement. The GR installation
manual makes no reference to the need for diodes etc.
One small isue is that our Rotax analogue gauge under reads by about 300 RPM
but this may just be the meter. I believe there is an adjusting screw in the
back but we never bothered to change it. One of those little jobs that never
seems to get done.
Carl Pattinson
G-LABS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Maynor" <wingnut54@charter.net>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:34 AM
Subject: Europa-List: Tach Question
> Hi Folks,
> Anyone ever hook up the recommended tach that goes with a Rotax 912 in
> parallel with one that's part of an engine monitor? My panel was built and
> wired a few years ago with the Mitchell tach in addition to an Audio
> Flight
> Avionic engine monitoring system. I am now wiring the engine to firewall
> and
> want to use both. Do I need diodes or something?
>
>
> Troy Maynor
> N120EU Europa Monowheel Classic
> Left to finish:
> Seats, engine install underway, some wiring.
> Weaverville, NC USA
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| Subject: | Europa factory web site missing???? |
Web site and email message now missing!
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Stanbridge (Swift TG)
Sent: 18 November 2008 09:15
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa factory web site missing????
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| Subject: | No Sywell DOTH Today |
Hi Richard
Weather's low overcast and raining here in Hertfordshire!!!
See you next time.
Cheers
Rick
G-RIKS
XS Tri
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Iddon
Sent: 18 November 2008 09:09
Subject: Europa-List: No Sywell DOTH Today
Just phoned Sywell to be told that we can=92t go today, Runways
waterlogged
etc. (Was OK when I phoned yesterday).
The weather is beautiful up here in Lancashire so maybe I=92ll go to
Caernarvon instead.
Sorry folks!
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: No Sywell DOTH Today |
Richard, Weather leaves a certain amount to be desired, but see you there,
David, G-XSDJ
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From: "Richard Iddon" <riddon@sent.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: No Sywell DOTH Today
> Just phoned Sywell to be told that we can't go today, Runways
> waterlogged etc. (Was OK when I phoned yesterday).
>
> The weather is beautiful up here in Lancashire so maybe I'll go to
> Caernarvon instead.
>
> Sorry folks!
>
> Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa factory web site missing???? |
Hi all,
As some of you have found the link www.europa-aircraft.co.uk is not
functioning. The reason for this is that we changed the organisation who
holds the domain and in the transfer some of the links were knocked out.
www.europa-aircraft.com and www.europa-aircraft.biz are still functioning.
The .co.uk website will be back shortly. With respect to the new website
this is planned to be operational by latest the beginning of next week.
Dave
David Stanbridge
Swift Technology Group
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Autopilot |
"I would first have a backup for at least the horizon." -agree
wholeheartedly
Especially since the Dynon _attitude_ solution is depedendent upon _air
data_ (!) .... a scary thought for me at least - and especially when usin
g
it to drive an autopilot. Other glass does not depend on air data, and som
e
not GPS either (Grand Rapids for example).
Cheers,
Pete
A239
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:50 AM, josok <josok-e@ukolo.fi> wrote:
>
> Hi Tim,
>
> First the answers:
> No, no and no
> Followed by my thoughts:
> My experience with the D180 was that it was a nice thing to have. Can't
> think of anything bad about the display or all the functions it had. It
> broke down after 3 hours of test flights, and lucky enough while on the
> ground. The repair and the transport took 3 weeks and 120 for my part
of
> the transport. Later i became a Dynon betatester, ands i really appreciat
e
> the thouroughness of their testing.
> You have to realise though, that one disadvantage of such a system is to
> have all eggs in one basket. At one time, accidently ending up in cloud
> between mountains, it raised my heartbeat thinking of that.
> Adding an autopilot worsens the odds.
> The Dynon autopilot does not have any trim indication. You could be flyi
ng
> severely out of trim without noticing before you or the autopilot switche
s
> itself off. The Europa has a very powerfull trim and the combination is a
n
> accident in the making. While it is an experimental airplane, making the
> experimental part as small as possible does never hurt. Still, yes i woul
d
> install the Dynon autopilot, but would wait a couple of years before i
> would. I would first have a backup for at least the horizon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jos Okhuijsen
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org <http://www.europaowners.org/>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Europa factory web site missing???? |
I looked around and was able to find it at http://www.europa-aircraft.com/
so I guess they are moving it.
Thanks,
Bill
A010 Classic Monowheel
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From: "R Holder" <rholder@avnet.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 6:32 PM
Subject: Europa-List: Europa factory web site missing????
>
> Bill Henderson wrote:
>
>> Anyone know what happened to the Europa factory web site? Did it
>> disappear or is it me???????
>
> I believe they (Swift) announced that it would appear in a new format this
> week.
>
> The old format has gone, and the new one isn't quite right !
>
> I guess they are using myserverworld.com and haven't set up the auto
> entries - or something.
>
> I am sure someone will twig and let us know soon !
>
> Richard Holder
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Instrument rating |
Just thinking ahead following the article in the LAA mag re possible
instrument ratings in homebuilt aircraft.
I have been looking through the web to find the instrument requirements for
our aircraft but cannot find details. Can anyone help please?
If you have a glass cockpit (ie Dynon) do you need standby instruments? What
about ADF/ILS/VOR requirements?
Thanks in anticipation.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | Re: Dynon Autopilot |
Hi all,
I fly my Europa IFR in actual IMC condtions a fair bit, although I try
to plan my flights where the actual approach generally means I break
through the cloud layer and I land under VFR conditions. As you can
imagine it doesn't always turn out that way.
I have designed my panel to accommodate this flight profile as best as
I could, at least for the amount of money I was prepared to invest.
I have created several levels of redundancy. I have a Digitrack auto
pilot which is completely stand alone, on a redundant electrical buss.
I have done the same for the GRT glass panel, and it is backed up with
a separate ASI, Altimeter, DG and Artificial Horizon, again on on a
redundant electrical buss.
So, I guess I taking long winded way of saying, having the auto pilot
tightly coupled to the Glass Panel like Dynon has done is okay, but
you have to appreciate your potential failure modes and fly your
mission profile against the risk level you are prepared to accept.
Regards, Paul
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| Subject: | Instrument rating |
Hi Steve
2 x com, 2 x vor/ils, dme, adf, mode S all certified. Should have standby
altimeter but not sure if you have to and an HIS makes life easier. If and
when we ever get GPS approaches then a certified GPS as well.
Regards
Pete
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From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steven Pitt
Sent: 18 November 2008 13:11
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument rating
Just thinking ahead following the article in the LAA mag re possible
instrument ratings in homebuilt aircraft.
I have been looking through the web to find the instrument requirements for
our aircraft but cannot find details. Can anyone help please?
If you have a glass cockpit (ie Dynon) do you need standby instruments? What
about ADF/ILS/VOR requirements?
Thanks in anticipation.
Steve Pitt
G-SMDH
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| Subject: | No Sywell DOTH Today |
Hi David & other DOTH ers.
The weather north of Manchester was quite glorious today but cloudbase
was down to around 1500ft. over Caernarfon. I am guessing it didn't
improve much further south. We got there comfortably and enjoyed a nice
breakfast bap but no one else turned up by air. Danny Shepherd arrived
by road.
I'll try to pick a better day next time.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
<davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Richard, Weather leaves a certain amount to be desired, but see you
there,
David, G-XSDJ
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument rating |
[Question]
Interested in knowing how all that stuff can fit into the Europa panel.... Very
busy place I would think !
Who already did that ?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215019#215019
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| Subject: | Re: Instrument rating |
Hi Steve,
The equipment requirements for instrument flight are described in the
FAR's. Interestingly enough, once you have met the requirements of
clocks, gyro based instruments and so on, you don't actually have to
have much. You need only to have the equipment required to fly the
published approached, so for example if your field has a VOR A
approach you only need one VOR.
I am not sure if it is still the case, but assuming you stay out of
Class B airspace in theory you don't even need a transponder, you
would have to fly the victor airways, use the mandatory reporting
points ect. In practical terms I can't imagine how ATC would react to
this, other that to tell you to nick off.
I can say that I was flying out west one time and ATC had there radar
coverage go down, so I got routed from "Direct" to the Victor Airways.
I hadn't done it from my training days and I have done it since.
(thankfully)
With all that said, the above scenario with the equipment level I have
described above is hardly practical, but the FAR's will help you to
determine if the equipment level in an aircraft meets the requirements
for IFR flight
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Remote Oil Pressure |
Troy,
We're using the VDO 360025 oil pressure sender for our remote unit
($26 in stock at JEGS, same but backordered at Summit Racing). It has
an auxiliary (warning) contact on it that remains grounded to the
sender case until the sensor reaches 11.4 PSI where the contact opens.
We used this signal to drive a 12V relay that powers our Hobbs and
"Low Oil Press" indicator. Works well.
The fitting at the engine is an AN816-4 (just like Bob's). To make it
difficult on simple airplane folks, the hot rod shops don't typically
list these fittings by their "AN" (Army/Navy) designations. Try
AER-FBM2512 (Aeroquip) or EAR-961604ERL (Earl's) instead if you're
shopping at JEGS or Summit. It's a steel adapter with an AN-4 nipple
on one end and 1/8"-27 NPT male thread on the other. Spruce still
faithfully uses the "AN" designations and will also charge you "AN"
prices.
Our sensor installation is a bit different than Bob's (... different
composite airframe, too). We used a bulkhead fitting (AER-FBM2821)
and attached a metal tab for the grounding lug via the bulkhead nut.
The whole assembly (sender + bulkhead fitting) is attached to the
aircraft via a #10-32 ClickBond stud and a cushioned (Adel) clamp. We
could have used one of the other NPT-to-AN adapters (AER-FBM2721,
NOS-16781NOS, EAR-998604ERL) but attaching the grounding lug seemed
problematic. Plenty of ways to skin the same cat.
Finally, we ran -4 stainless braided hose with steel AN-4 fittings
between the engine and the sender. The remote system works well w/ no
leaks or fires and good pressure readings.
If you want pics or a rough schematic just shoot me an email. Best of
luck with the build!
D
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| Subject: | Instrument rating |
I think Permit=2C VFR=2C Day only is an obstruction.
Dave Park> From: steven.pitt2@ntlworld.com> To: europa-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Europa-List: Instrument rating> Date: Tue=2C 18 Nov 2008 13:10:33
world.com>> > Just thinking ahead following the article in the LAA mag re p
ossible > instrument ratings in homebuilt aircraft.> I have been looking th
rough the web to find the instrument requirements for > our aircraft but ca
nnot find details. Can anyone help please?> If you have a glass cockpit (ie
Dynon) do you need standby instruments? What > about ADF/ILS/VOR requireme
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| Subject: | Europa - Instrument Rating. |
I too read with interest the night/IFR article in the latest LAA
Magazine.
It seems to me there are many problems here both for a Europa as an
aircraft
but more importantly for the sport pilot.
What I would like is the approval to climb to VMC =91on top=92 and
cruise to a
destination out of that 1500-2500=92 area that so many pilots seem to
prefer.
To me that altitude is =91shark infested custard=92 and I avoid it like
the
plague if I can. I much prefer to be in the area of FL80 or so.
Generally
if above the cloud, the ride is smoother, the visibility better and
there
are not so many people there. The only requirement for such a flight
might
be that the weather at the destination field should allow a safe descent
to
VMC below for a VFR recovery and landing. The minimum equipment
specified
for flight in Class A airspace is I suggest OTT for most europas;
indeed, I
am not sure that the minimum requirement applies to non Public Transport
aircraft. Any experts out there.....
I personally would never consider flying X-country at night in a single
engine aircraft, to me the risk of a forced landing in the dark is too
high.
Old and bold pilots.........etc.
My concern as far as the aircraft is concerned, is that the CAA are
likely
to make it so difficult that the cost would become prohibitive. The
thought of how I can install a pitot heater in my plastic wing and power
it
is just the start of the problems.
If anyone thinks that they will be able to join an airway in the UK, IFR
in
a europa in the foreseeable future, then they are dreaming.
Even if the aircraft was certified for IFR flight in Class A airspace I
would suggest that the pilot rating requirements are a bridge too far
for
most sport pilots. We currently still enjoy the IMC rating for private
pilots in the UK, which is a useful tick in the box for inexperience
instrument pilots. But the IMC rating is not going to cut it in an
airway.
That means our aspiring europa airways pilot is going to have to take
the
dreaded Instrument Rating. Now the last time I checked an IR course,
initially completed in a twin, together with the
aircraft/instructor/examiner hire was well into 5 figures in cost alone.
Annual renewal for an IR is probably going to cost in the order of
=A3500
minimum. Really an instrument rating for most recreational pilots is a
non
starter.
For those of us with an IR from our job, the situation is not much
better.
Most airline pilots hold a Multi-crew IR which I don=92t think reads
across to
Single Engine Piston, certainly, I had to requalify with a Single Crew
IR
to obtain my King Air rating=92.
The LAA are to be congratulated on their success with the ongoing
European
legislation ' and hopefully they will continue in the future with that
success. However, I do believe that we should strive for a realistic
expansion of our certification boundaries.
The aircraft modifications and standby equipment should be kept to an
absolute minimum, commensurate with safety, certainly we do not need
clearance to fly in icing conditions. The real icing on the cake (no
pun
intended) would be international recognition of the IMC rating and a
European wide approval to fly VMC on top and to fly IFR (off airways)
when
required. It really is much safer to fly IFR above Safety Altitude than
grovel around in the murk below cloud ' AS LONG AS THE PILOT IS
SUITABLE
QUALIFIED AND CURRENT.
I look forward to the future developments with interest.
Regards,
Mike Parkin (G-JULZ still in bits
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Fell over this interesting development in painting technology and
thought,
how would that work out on an Europa??
Has anybody here put any thought to this kind of painting?
I imagine a very high degree of reflection of sun rays could be achieved
and
with that, a good protection against heat and UV...:
<http://www.newfantachrome.com/goin/prodotti_eng/newfantachrome.htm>
http://www.newfantachrome.com/goin/prodotti_eng/newfantachrome.htm
Don't know about the flexing and how that would be tolerated but it sure
looks interesting..
Alex, kit 529
About to take up building again, lots to do- build manual now translated
to
portuguese-
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Fell over this interesting development in painting technology and thought,
how would that work out on an Europa??
Has anybody here put any thought to this kind of painting?
I imagine a very high degree of reflection of sun rays could be achieved and
with that, a good protection against heat and UV...:
http://www.newfantachrome.com/goin/prodotti_eng/newfantachrome.htm
Don't know about the flexing and how that would be tolerated but it sure
looks interesting..
Alex, kit 529About to take up building again, lots to do- build manual now
translated to portuguese-
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| Subject: | Europa - Instrument Rating. |
Well said Mike. What a great solution that would be.
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
I too read with interest the night/IFR article in the latest LAA
Magazine.
It seems to me there are many problems here both for a Europa as an
aircraft but more importantly for the sport pilot.
What I would like is the approval to climb to VMC 'on top' and cruise to
a destination out of that 1500-2500' area that so many pilots seem to
prefer. To me that altitude is 'shark infested custard' and I avoid it
like the plague if I can. I much prefer to be in the area of FL80 or
so. Generally if above the cloud, the ride is smoother, the visibility
better and there are not so many people there. The only requirement for
such a flight might be that the weather at the destination field should
allow a safe descent to VMC below for a VFR recovery and landing. The
minimum equipment specified for flight in Class A airspace is I suggest
OTT for most europas; indeed, I am not sure that the minimum
requirement applies to non Public Transport aircraft. Any experts out
there.....
Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com
11/17/2008 5:24 PM
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| Subject: | Re: No Sywell DOTH Today |
What happened to the new hard runway that (I thought) was being put in
much earlier this year?
Duncan McF
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----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Iddon
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 9:09 AM
Subject: Europa-List: No Sywell DOTH Today
Just phoned Sywell to be told that we can't go today, Runways
waterlogged etc. (Was OK when I phoned yesterday).
The weather is beautiful up here in Lancashire so maybe I'll go to
Caernarvon instead.
Sorry folks!
Richard Iddon G-RIXS
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| Subject: | Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. |
Hi Mike and others,
I must apologize, I didn't realize the the IFR question was UK based
when I made my comments. We very lucky in the US for the freedoms we
have in that regard.
Having IFR capability has really turned my Europa into a very capable
touring machine. Two, 3.5 hour legs has me covering easily 800 to 900
miles in a day. Flying in the FL80 to FL12 range nearly always gets
me a smooth ride with not a lot of traffic to contend with, it seems a
pity that not everyone can enjoy getting this level of utility out of
their Europa. Mostly brought about by bureaucracy I suppose.
I recently flew to the US Europa fly in and I had to fly the last 20
nm leg of the trip in VFR minimums because the airport didn't have an
approach. I remember thinking to myself that folks in Europe do this
all the time, me, I was just plain terrified.
BTW, I fully support your comments about night flying cross country
flying, I avoid it at all costs, its like playing poker and having to
give up your Ace... it just too much risk for me... but then the older
I'm getting the less bolder I am becoming. Same comment about ice,
it can be difficult to avoid in North America and its something I have
a great respect for. I suspect that the Europa wing would be extremely
intolerant to ice.
Anyhow, I suppose I am preaching to the choir here, but I thought I
would toss in my 2 cents worth.
Cheers, Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Elevator Trim |
Kingsley Hurst wrote:
> <hurstkr@redzone.com.au>
>
> Just wondering if anybody has installed the trim wheel available at
> www.PerihelionDesign.com/moreproducts.htm second item down the page.
>
> If so, would be interested to know how you have found it.
>
> This device turns the electric MAC elevator trim from a time based
> control to a positional control like in Cessnas etc.
>
> Cheers
> Kingsley in Oz
I would endorse the 3rd product down which I believe is in the trim
wheel product.
I have one on my Esqual and the finesse of control is brilliant. It will
adjust the trim that finely that you can hardly see the trim tab move.
Before fitting it was nearly impossible to set the trim accurately as
the motor would overrun past the required setting. I also use the last
products on the page to control heater vents-again brilliant.
Regards,
Malcolm Ferguson Esqual VH-ECO
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| Subject: | Re: Tight control stick |
Hi all,
Thanks for the input. I guess it just seems to me that if loosening the bolts frees
up the controls, there must be some misalignment in the control tube causing
it to bind. My theory is that the tufnot/tube assembly didn't set up correctly
when the flox was applied and allowed to cure.
I had been thinking that if I were to put a shim in one side or the other, between
the tufnol and the CS07 rear bush, that could re-align the torque tube assembly
and allow me to retighten the nuts against the tufnol without recreating
the binding. But now, looking at the diagram further, it looks like that wouldn't
accomplish anything.
I can use the polish on the front near the control stick, but maybe if I try real
hard I can apply some on the rear bush and just work it back and forth and
hope it improves.
Ron, which of your recommended materials would be best to use for the CS07 aluminum
(I assume) to CS06 tufnol?
Thanks all,
Dan
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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| Subject: | Re: Tight control stick |
Dan,
A small point to note.When one is flying the aircraft the amount of travel
the control stick moves
is restricted by your legs either side of the control stick. Therefore the
travel is relatively small (side to side).
I had a problem of the control binding slightly at either end of the travel.
Not a problem as one
never gets to use the control that far. It is so sensitive only small
movements of the aileron are
necessary. That binding has now gone at the aircraft settles in over 200
hours flying.
For what is it worth.
Cheers,
Tim
Tim Ward
12 Waiwetu Street
Fendalton,
Christchurch
NEW ZEALAND
PH 0064 3 3515166
MOB 021 0640221
ward.t@xtra.co.nz
----- Original Message -----
From: "danbish" <bdanbish@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tight control stick
>
> Hi all,
>
> Thanks for the input. I guess it just seems to me that if loosening the
> bolts frees up the controls, there must be some misalignment in the
> control tube causing it to bind. My theory is that the tufnot/tube
> assembly didn't set up correctly when the flox was applied and allowed to
> cure.
>
> I had been thinking that if I were to put a shim in one side or the other,
> between the tufnol and the CS07 rear bush, that could re-align the torque
> tube assembly and allow me to retighten the nuts against the tufnol
> without recreating the binding. But now, looking at the diagram further,
> it looks like that wouldn't accomplish anything.
>
> I can use the polish on the front near the control stick, but maybe if I
> try real hard I can apply some on the rear bush and just work it back and
> forth and hope it improves.
>
> Ron, which of your recommended materials would be best to use for the CS07
> aluminum (I assume) to CS06 tufnol?
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Dan
>
>
> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>
>
>
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