---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/19/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:35 AM - Re: Chrome paint (Karl Heindl) 2. 07:37 AM - Re: Chrome paint (Trevpond@aol.com) 3. 07:58 AM - Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (rampil) 4. 08:06 AM - Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (Steve Pitt) 5. 09:17 AM - Re: Tight control stick () 6. 12:33 PM - Re: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (Robert C Harrison) 7. 02:51 PM - Re: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. (ALAN YERLY) 8. 07:30 PM - Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. (rampil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:03 AM PST US From: Karl Heindl Subject: RE: Europa-List: Chrome paint Hi Alex=2C That looks very tempting=2C but then I looked at the price: 550 euros/l=2C plus shipping etc. ? I painted my cowling top in a metallic white. I think it was an Audi colour .. Karl From: kaarsberg@terra.com.brTo: europa-list@matronics.comSubject: Europa-Li st: Chrome paintDate: Wed=2C 19 Nov 2008 01:54:53 +0300 Fell over this interesting development in painting technology and thought =2C how would that work out on an Europa?? Has anybody here put any thought to this kind of painting? I imagine a very high degree of reflection of sun rays could be achieved an d with that=2C a good protection against heat and UV...: http://www.newfantachrome.com/goin/prodotti_eng/newfantachrome.htm Don't know about the flexing and how that would be tolerated but it sure lo oks interesting.. Alex=2C kit 529About to take up building again=2C lots to do- build manual now translated to portuguese- ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:54 AM PST US From: Trevpond@aol.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: Chrome paint I wonder how heavy it is? regards Trev Pond G-LINN ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:14 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. From: "rampil" Two more cents from the US contingent. Having finally obtained my instrument rating last summer, I have been flying IFR for practice and some real trips in actual wx. The only real limitation, to my mind is the gas tank. With appropriate IFR reserves (Alternate airport plus 45 min), there is less than two hours flying. My usual cruise uses a wee bit over 5 gph at 3000 msl and the burn rate increases with altitude (some day I will crunch the data and provide a report). At 8k msl, the burn rate is over 6 despite the MP being about 5" less (constant speed prop). Until someone gets some real experience with the GreenSky HAC leaning device, altitude does not appear to be a fix for the 912s. As for equipment, in the US, the regs only require Nav equipment appropriate to the NAV and approaches being used. It is entirely legal to use a single NavCom radio with VOR/Loc/ILS. No requirement for redundancy in 14CFR91. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215133#215133 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:26 AM PST US From: "Steve Pitt" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa - Instrument Rating. Paul, Thank you for your input and sorry I did not make my geographical position clear. Nevertheless I think it is interesting to see the comments that come from the Europa community. We have some very experienced commercial flyers on both sides of the pond and all views are welcomed. I had heard of the whisperings that permit aircraft rules might one day allow instrument flying and so was pleased to see the recent article in our Light Aircraft Association magazine. There is a long way to go before the rules are changed (if ever?) hence my wish to commence an investigation into the equipment one might need. I previously held the UK IMC rating but was never encouraged to keep it going. Now I have my own aircraft the encouragement has grown and hence the email. Thank you to all contributors. Regards Steve Pitt G-SMDH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul McAllister" Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa - Instrument Rating. > > > Hi Mike and others, > > I must apologize, I didn't realize the the IFR question was UK based > when I made my comments. We very lucky in the US for the freedoms we > have in that regard. > > Having IFR capability has really turned my Europa into a very capable > touring machine. Two, 3.5 hour legs has me covering easily 800 to 900 > miles in a day. Flying in the FL80 to FL12 range nearly always gets > me a smooth ride with not a lot of traffic to contend with, it seems a > pity that not everyone can enjoy getting this level of utility out of > their Europa. Mostly brought about by bureaucracy I suppose. > > I recently flew to the US Europa fly in and I had to fly the last 20 > nm leg of the trip in VFR minimums because the airport didn't have an > approach. I remember thinking to myself that folks in Europe do this > all the time, me, I was just plain terrified. > > BTW, I fully support your comments about night flying cross country > flying, I avoid it at all costs, its like playing poker and having to > give up your Ace... it just too much risk for me... but then the older > I'm getting the less bolder I am becoming. Same comment about ice, > it can be difficult to avoid in North America and its something I have > a great respect for. I suspect that the Europa wing would be extremely > intolerant to ice. > > Anyhow, I suppose I am preaching to the choir here, but I thought I > would toss in my 2 cents worth. > > Cheers, Paul > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:17:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Tight control stick From: Hi Dan "Ron, which of your recommended materials would be best to use for the CS07 aluminum (I assume) to CS06 tufnol?" Here is the thread with McMaster info (including part number and type), it was the Soft and Extra Fine I used. It takes a while, if the aft one is hard to get at you may want some Fine. http://www.europaowners.org/viewtopic.php?t=6032 Ron P. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:05 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. Hi! Ira Seems to me that a 9 Imp Gallon Long Range tank to supplement the Existing Europa 16 Imp Gallon tank would remove lots of your worry ! I too suffered 6 gallons per hour early days with the 3300 Jabiru and soon found that range was a major handicap. ......the only way to go! There is far too much to concern yourself with without the worry of alternates and suitable fuel supply if you are struggling with inclement weather. Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of rampil Sent: 19 November 2008 15:58 Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. Two more cents from the US contingent. Having finally obtained my instrument rating last summer, I have been flying IFR for practice and some real trips in actual wx. The only real limitation, to my mind is the gas tank. With appropriate IFR reserves (Alternate airport plus 45 min), there is less than two hours flying. My usual cruise uses a wee bit over 5 gph at 3000 msl and the burn rate increases with altitude (some day I will crunch the data and provide a report). At 8k msl, the burn rate is over 6 despite the MP being about 5" less (constant speed prop). Until someone gets some real experience with the GreenSky HAC leaning device, altitude does not appear to be a fix for the 912s. As for equipment, in the US, the regs only require Nav equipment appropriate to the NAV and approaches being used. It is entirely legal to use a single NavCom radio with VOR/Loc/ILS. No requirement for redundancy in 14CFR91. -------- Ira N224XS ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:45 PM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. Ira, Sounds like we ought to get busy and make the 8 gal aux tank for the tri-gear happen. My ideas two years ago, (where did the time go?) was an 8 gal Tank from Summit Racing made from high strength aluminum and fittings lined with a bladder, using the same siphon gear for the mono extended range tank. 8 gal would put me at my bladder limit though. It seems we just can't add enough weight to these aircraft. Jerry Hope wanted to do a belly tank (teardrop shape) like we had in the T-33 cargo pod, with new plumbing that would allow it to feed via a electric fuel pump into the reserve side, and when refilling the aircraft, there would be a valve from the reserve side to allow it to fill. Of course don't leave the valve open after refuel since it would not feed. Any type of tank for use in an aircraft has to be idiot proof, refillable, easy to mount, ruggedly attached, completely safe, full proof, and include a liability lawyers blessing. Any ideas? Bud ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. > Two more cents from the US contingent. Having finally obtained my instrument rating last summer, I have been flying IFR for practice and some real trips in actual wx. The only real limitation, to my mind is the gas tank. With appropriate IFR reserves (Alternate airport plus 45 min), there is less than two hours flying. My usual cruise uses a wee bit over 5 gph at 3000 msl and the burn rate increases with altitude (some day I will crunch the data and provide a report). At 8k msl, the burn rate is over 6 despite the MP being about 5" less (constant speed prop). Until someone gets some real experience with the GreenSky HAC leaning device, altitude does not appear to be a fix for the 912s. As for equipment, in the US, the regs only require Nav equipment appropriate to the NAV and approaches being used. It is entirely legal to use a single NavCom radio with VOR/Loc/ILS. No requirement for redundancy in 14CFR91. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215133#215133 http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:42 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Instrument Rating. From: "rampil" Hi Bob, I agree completely! Hopefully I can help Bud with a new aux tank design :-) Cheers, Ira -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=215200#215200 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.