---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 11/24/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:29 AM - Value of the List... (Matt Dralle) 1. 02:08 AM - Re: Re: Heaters (G-IANI) 2. 02:11 AM - autopilot (Justin Kennedy) 3. 03:00 AM - Re: autopilot (G-IANI) 4. 03:48 AM - Re: autopilot (arm) (Raimo Toivio) 5. 07:04 AM - Re: autopilot (Raimo Toivio) 6. 11:45 AM - europe-only - pilot licensing changes (Rowland & Wilma Carson) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Europa Parts. (Christoph Both) 8. 04:53 PM - Re: Europa Parts. (Rick Stockton) 9. 07:02 PM - Having trouble deciding on instrumentation? (Fred Klein) 10. 09:30 PM - Re: Having trouble deciding on instrumentation? (Greg Fuchs) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:29:44 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Europa-List: Value of the List... 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Matt Dralle Email List Admin. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:52 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: RE: Heaters Bud Thanks for the comments, My thoughts entirely regarding aluminium melting Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:31 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: autopilot From: "Justin Kennedy" DO NOT ARCHIVE Ian, I too am hoping to install a Trio roll axis autopilot in my Europa G-ZTED this winter, I really appreciate a copy of the mod when you finally get it. Anyway could you advise me the mod number when it is released. Keep pushing. Thanks Justin Monowheel Classic G-ZTED ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:42 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: autopilot Justin Copy of the mod attached. At present it is with Andy, as a draft, but I do not expect much to change much. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Justin Kennedy Sent: 24 November 2008 10:09 Subject: Europa-List: autopilot DO NOT ARCHIVE Ian, I too am hoping to install a Trio roll axis autopilot in my Europa G-ZTED this winter, I really appreciate a copy of the mod when you finally get it. Anyway could you advise me the mod number when it is released. Keep pushing. Thanks Justin Monowheel Classic G-ZTED ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:48:21 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: autopilot (arm) > Mike and others > > I will know the cost of the arms in a week or so. > I got mine from Trio and the cost of my arm was just 125$. They have several left and they are made by their Europa Czech (or so) customer. It is quite heavy but quality seems to be exellent. It will be tightened around aileron torque tube by four bolts & Nylocnuts. Raimo ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:02 AM PST US From: "Raimo Toivio" Subject: Re: Europa-List: autopilot Ian, this is a great support - I follow these instructions as much as possibe. Thank you, Raimo ----- Original Message ----- From: "G-IANI" Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: RE: Europa-List: autopilot > > Raimo > > I have attached a copy of the Mod covering the Trio which is with the LAA. > I have been chasing Andy Draper to get it approved for some weeks. > > I hope it may help. > > I have a supply of the actuator arms being made if you have any problems > sourcing locally. > > Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours > Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) > e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk > or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:45:23 AM PST US From: Rowland & Wilma Carson Subject: Europa-List: europe-only - pilot licensing changes This is for people in Europe who will be affected by EASA's proposed changes to pilot licensing. If you are outside EC jurisdiction (or if you don't care what sort of licence you can have or what it will let you do) you can skip the rest of this message. EASA have proposed changes to the pilot licensing system, contained in Notice of Proposed Amendment 2008-17 and available for download as 3 PDF files from: http://www.easa.eu.int/ws_prod/r/r_npa.php Part a is an introduction; b is where the meat is; and c is mostly on medicals. These documents are many pages long and will require some effort to read and form comments on. You may want to focus on subparts A (general), B (LPL) and C (PPL), but there are many other parts worthy of attention if you can spare the time. If no-one bothers to respond we'll get what the bureaucrats think is good for us. (An indication of how much they know about aviation was the initial insistence during a previous rule-making exercise that all balloons must have an ASI!) Note that if there's stuff you like you should say you support it, as there may be other bodies objecting to it. For instance, there is probably an organised campaign by AMEs to prevent the adoption of simpler medical standards which would mean less/lower fees paid to them! So if you like that part of the Leisure Pilot's Licence (LPL - based on the UK NPPL) then say so. On Saturday last (22nd) I attended a seminar at Turweston on these proposals and with permission reproduce the following parts of the presentation about the documents and hints on how to comment effectively. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Part a Explanatory Note General backgound - read for context Provides the outline structure and content of the other documents Contains extensive tables which cross reference every element of the proposals to the JAA rules, where applicable Part b FCL Sub parts: A General requirements B Leisure Pilots Licence C PPL, SPL, BPL D CPL E MPL (Multi-crew) F ATPL G Instrument Rating (IR) H Class and Type Ratings I Additional Ratings J Instructor Certificates K Examiner Certificates Part c Medical Sub parts: A General requirements - general, issuance, revalidation, renewal, revocation, suspension B Requirements for medical certificates - Class 1 and 2 and LPL C Requirements for aero-medical examiners D Requirements for General Medical Practioners Licence proposals: PPL A: No significant change; 17 years; 45 hrs; (25 Dual) ICAO Medical Class II: up to age 40 5 years; 40 to 50 2 years; above 50 1 year LPL A Basic 16 years; 20 hrs (10 Dual); 2000 kg + 1 person, 50 km radius LPL A 16 years; 30 hrs (15 dual); 2000 kg + 3 persons LPL Medical Initial to age 45; 45 to 60 5 years; above 60 1 year RESPONDING TO EASA NOTICES OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT KEY POINTS: EASA does not respond to lobbying EASA does respond to well structured, well argued, constructive formal responses to NPAs EASA will count multiple, duplicated (copied) responses as one response, where it is obvious that the duplication is deliberate EASA recognises that the collective opinions of the representative bodies are important and should be weighted accordingly The quantity of responses saying essentially the same thing will count (as long as they are not just "photocopies" using the same words) EFFECTIVE RESPONSES: Are brief, to the point, address the specific question or issue Provide criticism of the particular that is well argued and based on the safety case / proportionality Propose alternative solutions with rational argument, briefly, with a safety case Are credible INEFFECTIVE RESPONSES: Are rambling, long, or rude, or do not address the point Do not provide a reasoned alternative Do not provide a safety argument for the alternative Technical Aspects in responding: Your response must be made through the EASA website using the 'Comment Response Tool' You register first and get a unique code to enable you to go in more than once You can draft your responses off-line (and save them!) then paste them into the CRT on-line You can go back and amend your responses before the comment deadline (currently 15 Dec 08 for NPA 17 but expected to be extended further, shortly) DON'T LEAVE RESPONDING TO THE LAST MINUTE - IT IS A TIME-CONSUMING PROCESS = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = As you can see there's only a few weeks before the deadline (and don't bank on it being extended!). The presenter on Saturday was David Roberts of the British Gliding Association (BGA) and he told us that the corporate response of the BGA is published on their website (sorry, haven't had time to look up the full URL for that, but Google is your friend in this sort of situation) so you might want to have a look at that to see how they have approached it. As noted above, do NOT copy and paste from it into your response. EASA are now using a very sohisticated software tool to analyse responses and lump together all those with identical wording, which then count as just one response. There is probably further advice and indications of their response on the LAA website but again I haven't looked yet. Note that the ratings part of the proposal includes Mountain ratings which are only for French & Swiss Altiports. Strange that these country-specific ratings should have found their way in while the UK IMC rating did not! There are moves afoot to remedy this, but if you say anything about the need for a "starter" Instrument Rating, please do not push it as the "British solution" - this will not help your argument as there is a certain amount of "not invented here" syndrome to overcome. Push it instead purely on its safety merits. Please pass this message on to any other UK pilots who may not be on this forum. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1160 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:21 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Parts. From: "Christoph Both" Mike: I take the MAC stick top for $50 if that is reasonable. Christoph Both #223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mike Parkin Sent: Sun 11/23/2008 3:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Parts. To any interested builders out there. I have a 7 function Mac stick top, Navaid Wing Leveller Control head, Smart Coupler( for Skymap 3C) and DG Coupler available. Used but fully serviceable, any reasonable offer accepted. Regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:48 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Parts. Just bought one from ASS for 155.95 --- On Mon, 11/24/08, Christoph Both wrote: From: Christoph Both Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Parts. Mike: I take the MAC stick top for $50 if that is reasonable. Christoph Both #223 Wolfville, Nova Scotia ________________________________ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com on behalf of Mike Parkin Sent: Sun 11/23/2008 3:06 PM Subject: Europa-List: Europa Parts. To any interested builders out there. I have a 7 function Mac stick top, Navaid Wing Leveller Control head, Smart Coupler( for Skymap 3C) and DG Coupler available. Used but fully serviceable, any reasonable offer accepted. Regards, Mike ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:29 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Having trouble deciding on instrumentation? From: Fred Klein http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:01 PM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Having trouble deciding on instrumentation? Well, that puts things in perspective! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred Klein Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: Europa-List: Having trouble deciding on instrumentation? http://www.gillesvidal.com/blogpano/cockpit1.htm do not archive -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.