---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/27/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:34 AM - Re: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. (craig bastin) 2. 04:59 AM - long range tank not good (Remi Guerner) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: Use of Ferrite Cores & RFI (ALAN YERLY) 4. 11:40 AM - Re: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. (Greg Fuchs) 5. 11:55 AM - Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures (zwakie) 6. 02:12 PM - Re: Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures (Frans Veldman) 7. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. (Graham Singleton) 8. 02:23 PM - Re: Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures (Marcel Zwakenberg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:34:35 AM PST US From: "craig bastin" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. I was planning on simmilar with a small venturi or simmilar to suck a light vaccuum on a line installed under the dash and then modify some small plastic cups to plug into the line if needed so you can throw them away after use. only problem i can see is if your passenger is the shy type some sort of privacy screen would be needed craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. Believe it or not, it is called a "Texas" catheter, as opposed to the indwelling "Foley" catheter. Available at your local pharmacy. I don't imagine it requires a physician's prescription to purchase. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216470#216470 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:53 AM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:46 AM PST US From: "Remi Guerner" Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello all, I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is. I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion? Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:52 AM PST US From: "ALAN YERLY" Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Use of Ferrite Cores & RFI You are right Ira, The usual culprits though are the amateur wiring mistakes we all make. Ferrite cores are a band-aid. Remember the problems with the Gen 1 Blue Mountain, and the horrible comments from the field. When I rewired the panel and properly shielded the BM inputs and outputs, and made sure the bundles were clear of the back of the Becker radios, all problems ceased. Too bad the problems inside the box didn't. Steve, Noise is best chased through a slow and meticulous chasing of each component in the panel. That is why I have a bench, complete with com and engine sensor testing leads to insure all my mistakes are made on the bench, not once the panel is in the plane. (Another reason I make the panels with cannon plugs is to make install and uninstall quick and easy for just this reason. It is an airplane, if you don't put it together and take it apart at least 5 times you're doing it wrong.) That aside, other forms of noise you don't anticipate can creep up. Along with what Ira wrote, do watch that the power bundle from the alternator (if equipped) or Dynamo wiring is not parallel with the Airmaster Wires. They become antennas that way without proper shielding. Check alternator on off and every component in the panel. There is no replacement for good sound troubleshooting and careful craftsmanship. Happy Building Bud Yerly ----- Original Message ----- From: rampil To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 7:36 PM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Use of Ferrite Cores & RFI > Do you still have RFI when you pull the breaker on the Prop Control? Do you have noise when the engine is off? Do you have noise when the prop is changing pitch? Respectively these circumstances could implicate the control box, the brush plate, or the pitch motor. If you really want diagnostic help, then it would be helpful to provide a useful amount of information. Bud: Ferrite beads and cores have been tremendously oversold as a panacea, but for specific applications and circumstances they are champs. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216473#216473 http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:40:08 AM PST US From: "Greg Fuchs " Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. Going to that trouble, you might just do like the trains used to do, and suck it outdoors! It would fall from 15000 feet! Someone on the ground might say "We collect rainwater, due to its purity and lack of contaminants" All joking aside, I think a runner up the ceiling, and a very lightweight 'curtain' would work nice, between the occupants. Might be able to double as a window covering somehow, for those that build a bed into the backside (now for that wood stove and running water). Not to forget the Lady-J adapter! -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of craig bastin Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 3:43 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. I was planning on simmilar with a small venturi or simmilar to suck a light vaccuum on a line installed under the dash and then modify some small plastic cups to plug into the line if needed so you can throw them away after use. only problem i can see is if your passenger is the shy type some sort of privacy screen would be needed craig -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of rampil Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 10:29 AM Subject: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. Believe it or not, it is called a "Texas" catheter, as opposed to the indwelling "Foley" catheter. Available at your local pharmacy. I don't imagine it requires a physician's prescription to purchase. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=216470#216470 Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 8:53 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:55:25 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures From: "zwakie" [color=red:f3ed5c1dbe]QUESTION TO OWNERS OF A EUROPA TRI-GEAR EQUIPPED WITH A ROTAX 912UL ENGINE[/color:f3ed5c1dbe] [size=9:f3ed5c1dbe]Others: don't even bother to read this, you have other interesting things at hand I might hope :wink:[/size:f3ed5c1dbe] The last couple of months I have been quite busy looking to buy a ready Europa, which last week resulted in me having bought the G-BWON, a 1997 Classic Tri-Gear currently owned by David Joyce and Bob Hitchcock. The G-BWON is equiped with a Rotax 912UL with just over 300 hours on it. In the OPS manual for the ROTAX 912UL there is a table showing the relation between engine power setting, engine speed, performance, torque and manifold pressure (in 10.1.1) Unfortunately I can't show HTML tables here, so I will have to go with what I can do: the following lines show an extract of that table, the fields shown are: [b:f3ed5c1dbe]Engine Power Setting - Engine speed (rpm) - Manifold Pressure (in.Hg)[/b:f3ed5c1dbe] Take off performance - 5800 - full throttle Cruising power - 5500 - full throttle 75% - 5000 - 27.2 65% - 4800 - 26.5 55% - 4300 - 26.3 [color=blue:f3ed5c1dbe]What I would like to find out in preparation for the ferry-flight from the UK to Holland, are the [b:f3ed5c1dbe]realistic[/b:f3ed5c1dbe] numbers for [b:f3ed5c1dbe]fuel burn[/b:f3ed5c1dbe] and [b:f3ed5c1dbe]indicated air speeds[/b:f3ed5c1dbe] that go with these numbers.[/color:f3ed5c1dbe] Highlighting 'realistic' is because from experience I know that in general the real numbers turn out to be somewhat more 'negative' than what is listed in the manuals. Also, flying the 2nd leg of the ferry (EGMH-EHHO) with two 200lbs+ people on-board limits the amount of fuel to just about the theoretical 'can-do' with a 30 min. reserve and wind coming from the 'wrong direction'. Not having sufficient assurance that the numbers I used for this planning (16 ltr/hr @ 115 KIAS), I feel this planning is just too tight (also at the time of the ferry my hours on the plane will be very limited). I am therefore looking for as much input on the subject as I can. I know I could fly @ 97KIAS for best economy, but speed is of essence to do the ferry in one day, so I would really like to do it with 110+ KIAS. Therefore my question: Would you please share your real-life fuel burn and air speeds that go with above numbers, so that I can better judge whether I should insert a 2nd stop about halfway Manston - Hoogeveen. Thanks in advance! Marcel Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:47 PM PST US From: Frans Veldman Subject: Re: Europa-List: Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures zwakie wrote: > Would you please share your real-life fuel burn and air speeds that go with above numbers, so that I can better judge whether I should insert a 2nd stop about halfway Manston - Hoogeveen. They sell MOGAS in Midden-Zeeland, about halfway the trip from Manston to Hoogeveen... -- Frans ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:47 PM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Europa - Extra Gas/ Instrument Rating. I once used the P tube in my glider at 18,000 feet over Scotland. It was cold! First problem was finding the offending thingy (they shrink in the cold) through several layers of clothing and two layers of straps, (seat harness and parachute harness) Next problem was trying to do it uphill so I lowered the flaps to get the attitude a bit more favourable. That helped. Still it was better than having to descend which took a good half an hour when I finally did come down. Incidentally, on a more serious note, at a recent "speed awareness course" they told us "never crash with a full bladder". A burst bladder is a very serious injury. Straps can kill too :-( Graham craig bastin wrote: > > I was planning on simmilar with a small venturi or simmilar to suck a light > vaccuum on a line > installed under the dash and then modify some small plastic cups to plug > into the line if needed > so you can throw them away after use. only problem i can see is if your > passenger is the shy type > some sort of privacy screen would be needed > > craig ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:23:48 PM PST US Subject: RE: Europa-List: Rotax 912UL perfermance and fuel figures From: "Marcel Zwakenberg" If I decide I do need a 2nd stop, EHMZ would be the place of my choice (as you point out, about halfway AND mogas - also, why carry immersion suits longer than required? ;-) ) > They sell MOGAS in Midden-Zeeland, about halfway the trip from Manston > to Hoogeveen... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.