---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/01/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:58 AM - UMA tacho (Paul Stewart) 2. 02:01 AM - long range tank not good (Remi Guerner) 3. 03:49 AM - Re: long range tank not good (Kingsley Hurst) 4. 04:22 AM - Re: long range tank not good (Robert Borger) 5. 08:15 AM - Re: long range tank not good (Jeremy Davey) 6. 10:18 AM - Re: Mod 72 (Paul Boulet) 7. 10:28 AM - Re: long range tank not good (Jerry Rehn) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: Monowheel Landing Gear Question? (rparigoris) 9. 11:11 AM - Re: UMA tacho (rampil) 10. 11:48 AM - Re: Mod 72 (jimpuglise@comcast.net) 11. 01:43 PM - Re: europe-only - pilot licensing changes (Robert C Harrison) 12. 05:29 PM - Starter relay, missing a thumb (rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us) 13. 09:22 PM - Re: Starter relay, missing a thumb (Rick Stockton) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:11 AM PST US From: Paul Stewart Subject: Europa-List: UMA tacho So far failed miserably to get our Rotax tach working. Can folk vouch for the UMA version before I fork out more cash? Regards Paul G-GIDY ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:01:23 AM PST US From: "Remi Guerner" Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello all, I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt. Comments and suggestions welcome. Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello all, I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is. I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion? Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:31 AM PST US From: "Kingsley Hurst" Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello Remi, If I were you and I was unable to interchange tanks and caps with another long range tank to identify the faulty component/s, I think I would ask Europa to send me another cap. If this didn't resolve the problem, I would send the lot back to Europa for replacement. If you are lucky enough to find the cap at fault, you would have minimised your freight costs. Kingsley in Oz do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Remi Guerner To: Europa-List Digest Server Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello all, I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt. Comments and suggestions welcome. Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:12 AM PST US From: Robert Borger Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Remi, My long ranger tank is out on loan. When (if) it is ever returned, I'll check out the dimensions and let you know what they are. Best regards, Bob Borger On Monday, December 01, 2008, at 04:00AM, "Remi Guerner" wrote: >Hello all, > >I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt. Comments and suggestions welcome. >Regards >Remi Guerner >F-PGKL > > >Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good > >Hello all, > >I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for >installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some >measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer >diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 >mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 >and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap >thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very >bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it >vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is. > >I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been >satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion? > >Regards >Remi Guerner >F-PGKL > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:41 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Davey" Subject: RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good Remi, Something is definitely not right - my LR tank has a tightly fitting cap. Given the cap is a standard component and the tank is moulded, my first suspicion is your tank. I'd continue to try to liaise with the factory, if I was in your shoes. Sorry that's not ideal news for you. Kind regards, Jeremy -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Borger Sent: 01 December 2008 12:22 Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Remi, My long ranger tank is out on loan. When (if) it is ever returned, I'll check out the dimensions and let you know what they are. Best regards, Bob Borger On Monday, December 01, 2008, at 04:00AM, "Remi Guerner" wrote: >Hello all, > >I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt. Comments and suggestions welcome. >Regards >Remi Guerner >F-PGKL > > >Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good > >Hello all, > >I have received my long range tank recently and am preparing it for >installation. The cap does not fit well and it leaks. I took some >measurements of the threads on both the cap and the tank. The outer >diameter of the male thread on the tank varies between 63,8 mm and 64,6 >mm while the inner diameter of the thread on the cap varies between 63,3 >and 63,9 mm. For the screwing to be effective the diameter of the cap >thread should be about 2 mm smaller than it is. Obviously this is very >bad and as a result the cap can be removed just by pulling it >vertically. There is no way I could use this tank safely as it is. > >I have questioned the factory but up to now the response has not been >satisfactory. Has anyone experienced the same problem? Any suggestion? > >Regards >Remi Guerner >F-PGKL > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:50 AM PST US From: Paul Boulet Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Thanks Jim; I presume the postage you spend will be on the pkg along with y our return address?- Want anything for the boxing?- Appreciate it Paul --- On Sun, 11/30/08, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote : From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 #yiv1423415936 p {margin:0;} Paul Boulet and Roger Rowe -- - I'll- try to get them in the mail this week.- If you haven't done the m od yet, do exactly as in the instructions and it goes very smoothly.- Abo ut a 15 minute job. - - Jim Puglise - ---- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:23:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 #yiv1423415936 .MsgBody-text, #yiv1423415936 .MsgBody-text * {font:10pt mon ospace;} I'd like to have on Paul Boulet 20512 Little Rock Way Malibu, CA- 90265 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote : From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 #yiv1423415936 #yiv996299226 p {margin:0;} I have completed Mod. 72 and find that I have two reamers that I no longer need.- If anyone needs them, the first two mailing address I receive will get them.- All I ask in return is that you send me a check for the posta ge cost.- - Jim Puglise A-283 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:28:34 AM PST US From: "Jerry Rehn" Subject: RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good Remi My tank has worked well and the cap is firm when screwed down. Perhaps there is someone nearby with a cap you could try? At the very least the factory should send you a new cap to see if that might first fix the problem. Regards Jerry _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Remi Guerner Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:01 AM Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hello all, I do not know how many builders are using the monowheel long ranger tank, but I am surprised not to receive any response on the forum regarding my previous message below. May be I have got the only bad tank and cap supplied by the factory! Again the problem is the cap which fits badly to the tank opening. It is almost like screwing an AN6 nut to an AN5 bolt. Comments and suggestions welcome. Regards Remi Guerner F-PGKL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Monowheel Landing Gear Question? From: "rparigoris" EuropaOwners has older mods, including Mod 26 under the Download section: http://www.europaowners.org/dlman.php?func=select_folder&folder_id I am pretty sure in the older newsletters (not sure if club, probably factory), probably downloadable from Europa Club there was an article about installing the dampeners, it helped a lot with preventing a bounce from turning into a prop strike. Ron Parigoris FWIW I was told you can replace the bungi from behind and below after you remove shock absorber and damper assemble. Adjustment is supposedly a bit hit and miss, but very dooable. I was also told to leave a tail on top on end of bungee, so if the bungee gets weak you can retension it. Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:11:47 AM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Re: UMA tacho From: "rampil" Hi Paul, I have a UMA "Rotax" tach working fine as a tach. The internal hobbs switch however has never worked. The tach has been working for at least 60 hr. If you purchase one, be sure to put a connector on the 5 wire lead set coming from the unit rather than direct wiring like I did. -------- Ira N224XS Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=217195#217195 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:43 AM PST US From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Paul - I just packaged them.=C2- I used some foam envelopes intended for CD/DVD' s.=C2- The return address is on the envelope.=C2- If you can't read it when it gets there, I can get it to you over the net.=C2- I will go to th e post office tomorrow.=C2- If it is full of Christmas people (Bah - Humb ug!) I may go sometime later.=C2-=C2-=C2- Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 1:13:02 PM (GMT-0500) Auto-Detected Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Thanks Jim; I presume the postage you spend will be on the pkg along with y our return address?=C2- Want anything for the boxing?=C2- Appreciate it Paul --- On Sun, 11/30/08, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote : From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 Paul Boulet and Roger Rowe -- I'll=C2- try to get them in the mail this week.=C2- If you haven't done the mod yet, do exactly as in the instructions and it goes very smoothly. =C2- About a 15 minute job. =C2- Jim Puglise ---- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Boulet" Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:23:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mod 72 I'd like to have on Paul Boulet 20512 Little Rock Way Malibu, CA=C2- 90265 --- On Sun, 11/30/08, jimpuglise@comcast.net wrote : From: jimpuglise@comcast.net Subject: Europa-List: Mod 72 I have completed Mod. 72 and find that I have two reamers that I no longer need.=C2- If anyone needs them, the first two mailing address I receive w ill get them.=C2- All I ask in return is that you send me a check for the postage cost.=C2- Jim Puglise A-283 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:26 PM PST US From: "Robert C Harrison" Subject: RE: Europa-List: europe-only - pilot licensing changes Hi! Rowland, I personally would like to thank you for your time and effort in attending and reporting on the pilot licensing changes you have detailed below. Three times I have sat and tried to read through and understand the specific detail and fallen asleep! IMHO Let's face it these bureaucrats would prefer us not to fly at all, the juggling has left me in such state of mind for it to be impossible to reply to them without being rude. You must be aware of my political leanings on such control from Europe so I find it no surprise to know of their intent. This is just another frustration of us not being able to control our own destiny and I deplore their interference. As much as I've enjoyed my flying for such few years I find my self feeling sorry for younger generations needing to dodge through all the regulations that now beset us. Further I need some serious convincing that so called "consultation" is anything but a sop for them to say that we had a hand in the ultimate way the industry is allowed to be aligned into their control. I simply do not believe that they lend any power to our representations. I see this kind of disease being applied to how local councils are run .....and as for "planning applications"........ Now you see I'm ranting and anything further I have to say would be considered worthless as indeed they would deplore what I say anyway. In other words for me to attempt to make a representation would probably undo someone else's constructive work even if this note doesn't anyway! Regards Bob Harrison. -----Original Message----- From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rowland & Wilma Carson Sent: 24 November 2008 19:38 Subject: Europa-List: europe-only - pilot licensing changes This is for people in Europe who will be affected by EASA's proposed changes to pilot licensing. If you are outside EC jurisdiction (or if you don't care what sort of licence you can have or what it will let you do) you can skip the rest of this message. EASA have proposed changes to the pilot licensing system, contained in Notice of Proposed Amendment 2008-17 and available for download as 3 PDF files from: http://www.easa.eu.int/ws_prod/r/r_npa.php Part a is an introduction; b is where the meat is; and c is mostly on medicals. These documents are many pages long and will require some effort to read and form comments on. You may want to focus on subparts A (general), B (LPL) and C (PPL), but there are many other parts worthy of attention if you can spare the time. If no-one bothers to respond we'll get what the bureaucrats think is good for us. (An indication of how much they know about aviation was the initial insistence during a previous rule-making exercise that all balloons must have an ASI!) Note that if there's stuff you like you should say you support it, as there may be other bodies objecting to it. For instance, there is probably an organised campaign by AMEs to prevent the adoption of simpler medical standards which would mean less/lower fees paid to them! So if you like that part of the Leisure Pilot's Licence (LPL - based on the UK NPPL) then say so. On Saturday last (22nd) I attended a seminar at Turweston on these proposals and with permission reproduce the following parts of the presentation about the documents and hints on how to comment effectively. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Part a Explanatory Note General backgound - read for context Provides the outline structure and content of the other documents Contains extensive tables which cross reference every element of the proposals to the JAA rules, where applicable Part b FCL Sub parts: A General requirements B Leisure Pilots Licence C PPL, SPL, BPL D CPL E MPL (Multi-crew) F ATPL G Instrument Rating (IR) H Class and Type Ratings I Additional Ratings J Instructor Certificates K Examiner Certificates Part c Medical Sub parts: A General requirements - general, issuance, revalidation, renewal, revocation, suspension B Requirements for medical certificates - Class 1 and 2 and LPL C Requirements for aero-medical examiners D Requirements for General Medical Practioners Licence proposals: PPL A: No significant change; 17 years; 45 hrs; (25 Dual) ICAO Medical Class II: up to age 40 5 years; 40 to 50 2 years; above 50 1 year LPL A Basic 16 years; 20 hrs (10 Dual); 2000 kg + 1 person, 50 km radius LPL A 16 years; 30 hrs (15 dual); 2000 kg + 3 persons LPL Medical Initial to age 45; 45 to 60 5 years; above 60 1 year RESPONDING TO EASA NOTICES OF PROPOSED AMENDMENT KEY POINTS: EASA does not respond to lobbying EASA does respond to well structured, well argued, constructive formal responses to NPAs EASA will count multiple, duplicated (copied) responses as one response, where it is obvious that the duplication is deliberate EASA recognises that the collective opinions of the representative bodies are important and should be weighted accordingly The quantity of responses saying essentially the same thing will count (as long as they are not just "photocopies" using the same words) EFFECTIVE RESPONSES: Are brief, to the point, address the specific question or issue Provide criticism of the particular that is well argued and based on the safety case / proportionality Propose alternative solutions with rational argument, briefly, with a safety case Are credible INEFFECTIVE RESPONSES: Are rambling, long, or rude, or do not address the point Do not provide a reasoned alternative Do not provide a safety argument for the alternative Technical Aspects in responding: Your response must be made through the EASA website using the 'Comment Response Tool' You register first and get a unique code to enable you to go in more than once You can draft your responses off-line (and save them!) then paste them into the CRT on-line You can go back and amend your responses before the comment deadline (currently 15 Dec 08 for NPA 17 but expected to be extended further, shortly) DON'T LEAVE RESPONDING TO THE LAST MINUTE - IT IS A TIME-CONSUMING PROCESS = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = As you can see there's only a few weeks before the deadline (and don't bank on it being extended!). The presenter on Saturday was David Roberts of the British Gliding Association (BGA) and he told us that the corporate response of the BGA is published on their website (sorry, haven't had time to look up the full URL for that, but Google is your friend in this sort of situation) so you might want to have a look at that to see how they have approached it. As noted above, do NOT copy and paste from it into your response. EASA are now using a very sohisticated software tool to analyse responses and lump together all those with identical wording, which then count as just one response. There is probably further advice and indications of their response on the LAA website but again I haven't looked yet. Note that the ratings part of the proposal includes Mountain ratings which are only for French & Swiss Altiports. Strange that these country-specific ratings should have found their way in while the UK IMC rating did not! There are moves afoot to remedy this, but if you say anything about the need for a "starter" Instrument Rating, please do not push it as the "British solution" - this will not help your argument as there is a certain amount of "not invented here" syndrome to overcome. Push it instead purely on its safety merits. Please pass this message on to any other UK pilots who may not be on this forum. regards Rowland -- | Rowland Carson LAA #16532 http://home.clara.net/rowil/aviation/ | 1160 hours building Europa #435 G-ROWI e-mail ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:29:13 PM PST US Subject: Europa-List: Starter relay, missing a thumb From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Project wiring at the moment. Seems like I am missing athumb to becomfortable with easestarting our 914 monowheel. Anyone have a clevor way of running electrons through starter relay without needing a spare thumb? I don't have a seperate hydraulicparking brake valve, but plan to have a wedge shape insert to pressurize. Ron Parigoris ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:42 PM PST US From: Rick Stockton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Starter relay, missing a thumb There are a number of switches available that will do what you are asking. - A key Mag switch with a start on it ASC p/n A-510-2.- A Single pole S PST-Momentary on MPA-103F OR an3021-1 OR 10-00821 OR 11-103 --- On Tue, 12/2/08, rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us wrote: From: rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us Subject: Europa-List: Starter relay, missing a thumb Project wiring at the moment. Seems like I am missing a-thumb to be-comfortable with ease-starting our 914 monowheel. Anyone have a clevor way of running electrons through starter relay without needing a spare thumb? I don't have a seperate hydraulic-parking brake valve, but plan to have a wedge shape insert to pressurize.- Ron Parigoris ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message europa-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Europa-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/europa-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/europa-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.