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1. 01:18 AM - DOTH Turweston Sat. 6th (Paddy Clarke)
2. 02:12 AM - thanks (danny shepherd)
3. 03:17 AM - Re: Warning. (JohnDHeykoop@aol.com)
4. 06:02 AM - Re: Warning. (josok)
5. 06:15 AM - Re: Warning. (Hans J. Danielsen)
6. 06:41 AM - Re: Warning. (karelvranken)
7. 07:38 AM - Re: Warning. (Raimo Toivio)
8. 10:10 AM - Re: Warning. (Graham Singleton)
9. 10:55 AM - Re: DOTH Turweston Sat. 6th (trevpond@aol.com)
10. 10:57 AM - Re: Garmin GTX 328 Mode S Transponder Fitting. (trevpond@aol.com)
11. 11:59 AM - Garmin GTX 328. (Mike Parkin)
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| Subject: | DOTH Turweston Sat. 6th |
Hi Folks,
I know we don't usually do DOTHs at the weekend, but at this time of
year I think we should grab the weather while we can. So how about a
DOTH to Turweston tomorrow Saturday 6th.?. Voucher is in Flyer - and
they say you need to call them for PPR and a slot, but it seems there
is no problem, there are plenty available.
There is a new cafe and it should be open - 1200ish as usual. Maybe
we could persuade a few Europa ladies to come!
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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Just like to say thanks for all the kind remarks about my baby (as the
wife calls her). I guess all those years spent in the body shop in my
father's garage in the early sixties paid off :-) .
Cheers Danny
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Hi Bob
Karel's problems have nothing to do with European Union regulations. They
are due entirely to the fact that, unlike nearly all the other EU countires
,
the UK has not signed up to the Schengen agreement, which eliminates passpo
rt
control between participating countries. Belgian regulations therefore requ
ire
Karel to depart from an airfield with passport control when he wants to go
to the UK.
If you could concentrate your considerable political energies on persuading
the UK government to sign up to the Schengen deal then Karel could fly from
any airfield in Belgium to any airfield in the UK by just filing a flight
plan. UK based pilots would enjoy similar benefits in that they would no lo
nger
have to land at an airfield with customs when flying to mainland Europe.
Best regards
John Heykoop
In a message dated 04/12/2008 23:18:08 GMT Standard Time,
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi! Karel.
This =9Csmacks=9D of the imposition of a =9CTerminal Navi
gation Charge=9D which
the Tempelhof =9Czeigheil=9D are just demanding from me! Unle
ss there is
something you really want to do (like demonstrate outside the European Parl
iament!)
or see in Belgium I guess the way round it is NOT to visit the damn place!
But if you are based there I guess you are =9Cbetween a rock and a ha
rd place=9D!
In the meantime wake up to the real world of undemocratic European Union
Militia State Dictatorship Population
Control like the rest of the public need to get used to! Then start to do
something about it.(NO JOKE!)
Best Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of karelvranken
Sent: 04 December 2008 22:01
Subject: Europa-List: Warning.
Dear Europaphiles,
During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian Federal
Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen Countries
we
need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium: Brussels, Antwer
p,
Li=C3=A8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders shall be fined....et
c.
Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in the
office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw the custo
ms in
Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for, several hours in
advance with the adequate form.
I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me. But why
have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small aircraft? Is this
European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania) or Forli (Italia) wi
th
this officialdom?
To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=C2=A3 and Kortrijk 23 Euro
) or
approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I suggested that they
could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is done for prisonners in
conditional liberty. They said that is only for light criminals! (Joke)
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL
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Just to add to the confusion: On my last trip, shortly after crossing the Polish
border i was redirected to Gdansk. For customs...That while i had an approved
fflightplan to a small airport close to Warschow. And the flight was from Letland
to Poland, both Schengen countries.
But then flying into any aiport in Norway from any Schengen country is fine as
long as the flightplan s enered 4 hours in advance. Norway is not EU, but is Schengen
too.
Regards,
Jos
Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
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Very well pointed out, John!
Let's keep these pages free from political randering. To Bob and others:
Eu is a success - for the mere fact that it has made war impossible in
Europe! As a "european" in Norway - I'm just sorry we're not a member.
(But, believe it or not - we ARE a member of Shengen, through the
E=C3=98S agreement).
This forum was not meant to be a "soape box" stand for one's political
anger - let's consentrate on Europa-business!
Hans, LN-HJD/#334
----- Original Message -----
From: JohnDHeykoop@aol.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warning.
Hi Bob
Karel's problems have nothing to do with European Union regulations.
They are due entirely to the fact that, unlike nearly all the other EU
countires, the UK has not signed up to the Schengen agreement, which
eliminates passport control between participating countries. Belgian
regulations therefore require Karel to depart from an airfield with
passport control when he wants to go to the UK.
If you could concentrate your considerable political energies on
persuading the UK government to sign up to the Schengen deal then Karel
could fly from any airfield in Belgium to any airfield in the UK by just
filing a flight plan. UK based pilots would enjoy similar benefits in
that they would no longer have to land at an airfield with customs when
flying to mainland Europe.
Best regards
John Heykoop
In a message dated 04/12/2008 23:18:08 GMT Standard Time,
ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Hi! Karel.
This =9Csmacks=9D of the imposition of a
=9CTerminal Navigation Charge=9D which the Tempelhof
=9Czeigheil=9D are just demanding from me! Unless there is
something you really want to do (like demonstrate outside the European
Parliament!) or see in Belgium I guess the way round it is NOT to visit
the damn place! But if you are based there I guess you are
=9Cbetween a rock and a hard place=9D!
In the meantime wake up to the real world of undemocratic European
Union Militia State Dictatorship Population
Control like the rest of the public need to get used to! Then start
to do something about it.(NO JOKE!)
Best Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karelvranken
Sent: 04 December 2008 22:01
To: Europa List
Subject: Europa-List: Warning.
Dear Europaphiles,
During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian
Federal Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen
Countries we need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium:
Brussels, Antwerp, Li=C3=A8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders
shall be fined....etc.
Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in
the office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw
the customs in Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for,
several hours in advance with the adequate form.
I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me.
But why have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small
aircraft? Is this European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania)
or Forli (Italia) with this officialdom?
To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=C2=A3 and Kortrijk
23 Euro) or approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I
suggested that they could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is
done for prisonners in conditional liberty. They said that is only for
light criminals! (Joke)
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL
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Bob,
Can you ask the British Government to join Shengen and use our currency
?
That would be an enormous progress.
Regards,
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert C Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warning.
Hi! Karel.
This "smacks" of the imposition of a "Terminal Navigation Charge"
which the Tempelhof "zeigheil" are just demanding from me! Unless
there is something you really want to do (like demonstrate outside the
European Parliament!) or see in Belgium I guess the way round it is NOT
to visit the damn place! But if you are based there I guess you are
"between a rock and a hard place"!
In the meantime wake up to the real world of undemocratic European
Union Militia State Dictatorship Population
Control like the rest of the public need to get used to! Then start to
do something about it.(NO JOKE!)
Best Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karelvranken
Sent: 04 December 2008 22:01
To: Europa List
Subject: Europa-List: Warning.
Dear Europaphiles,
During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian
Federal Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen
Countries we need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium:
Brussels, Antwerp, Li=E8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders
shall be fined....etc.
Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in
the office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw
the customs in Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for,
several hours in advance with the adequate form.
I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me. But
why have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small aircraft?
Is this European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania) or Forli
(Italia) with this officialdom?
To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=A3 and Kortrijk 23
Euro) or approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I
suggested that they could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is
done for prisonners in conditional liberty. They said that is only for
light criminals! (Joke)
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL
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Bob,
at the same time it is better to ask also right hand traffic and
SI-units.
One big bomb is better than...
You built Europa - that must be easy for you.
If they wonder your mind say "those continent Europa boys push me...".
Good luck.
Raimo
Europa owner from Finland
----- Original Message -----
From: karelvranken
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Warning.
Bob,
Can you ask the British Government to join Shengen and use our
currency ?
That would be an enormous progress.
Regards,
Karel Vranken, # 447 F-PKRL
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert C Harrison
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 12:14 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warning.
Hi! Karel.
This "smacks" of the imposition of a "Terminal Navigation Charge"
which the Tempelhof "zeigheil" are just demanding from me! Unless
there is something you really want to do (like demonstrate outside the
European Parliament!) or see in Belgium I guess the way round it is NOT
to visit the damn place! But if you are based there I guess you are
"between a rock and a hard place"!
In the meantime wake up to the real world of undemocratic European
Union Militia State Dictatorship Population
Control like the rest of the public need to get used to! Then start
to do something about it.(NO JOKE!)
Best Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
karelvranken
Sent: 04 December 2008 22:01
To: Europa List
Subject: Europa-List: Warning.
Dear Europaphiles,
During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian
Federal Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen
Countries we need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium:
Brussels, Antwerp, Li=E8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders
shall be fined....etc.
Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in
the office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw
the customs in Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for,
several hours in advance with the adequate form.
I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me.
But why have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small
aircraft? Is this European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania)
or Forli (Italia) with this officialdom?
To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=A3 and Kortrijk 23
Euro) or approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I
suggested that they could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is
done for prisonners in conditional liberty. They said that is only for
light criminals! (Joke)
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL
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Tony Krzyzewski wrote:
> .... I struggle to see which is the lesser evil!
>
> Graham,
>
> This might help you. The one on the right is the lesser of two weevils
>
> Tony
True ;-) , can't remember the question now, hope you are both well
Graham
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| Subject: | Re: DOTH Turweston Sat. 6th |
Hi Paddy,
Sorry, G-LINN can"t be there - Lin and I are soaking up the rays in Jamaica.
regards
Trev
-----Original Message-----
From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
Sent: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 4:16 am
Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Turweston Sat. 6th
Hi Folks,?
I know we don't usually do DOTHs at the weekend, but at this time of year I think
we should grab the weather while we can. So how about a DOTH to Turweston tomorrow
Saturday 6th.?. Voucher is in Flyer - and they say you need to call them
for PPR and a slot, but it seems there is no problem, there are plenty available.
There is a new cafe and it should be open - 1200ish as usual. Maybe we could persuade
a few Europa ladies to come!
All the best, Paddy
Paddy Clarke
Europa G-KIMM
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| Subject: | Re: Garmin GTX 328 Mode S Transponder Fitting. |
Hi Mike,
I have the Garmin 330 in G-LINN - fitted in no problem so I wouldn't have thought
the 328 would be any different in length.
regards
Trev
-----Original Message-----
From: nigel charles <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 6:12 pm
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Garmin GTX 328 Mode S Transponder Fitting.
This is good to know as I would prefer to use the Garmin transponder but had been
put off as its quoted depth was more than my Apollo SL40 which is a close fit
to the firewall. I would be interested to know the depth measurement from the
outside face of your panel to the firewall so I can see if I can also fit the
Garmin 328.
?
Regards
?
Nigel Charles
?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Parkin
Sent: 04 December 2008 09:02
Subject: Europa-List: Garmin GTX 328 Mode S Transponder Fitting.
?
I am fitting a GTX 328 Transponder as part of my Instrument panel refit.
I noted earlier reports that the 328 was too deep for the Europa Instrument panel,?
this may be aircraft specific but it certainly will fit in GJULZ.
My previous transponder was the Apollo SL70 which is actually a deeper installation
than the Garmin.? One problem I have found is that the Garmin installation
tube is very slightly wider than the SL70 one.? This is because of the way the
tube is overlapped at the sides during construction.
A little gentle persuasion required methinks.......
?
Regards,
?
Mike
?
?
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Nigel and all,
The distance from the front right face of the instrument panel on G-JULZ is
in the region of 308mm.
>From the front face of the instrument panel to the deepest part of the 328
(back of the coax plug) is 300mm. My instrument panel fits straight to the
bulkhead, I don't have any spacers.
The SL30 uses all the space available... you might be able to fit a
cigarette paper between the coax plug and the bulkhead - not much more.
A point worth of note is that the deepest part of the 328 is on the right
side, which is where the coax plug is. Because the radio stack part of the
Europa instrument panel is inclined towards the pilot, the depth available
for any radio equipment is greater on the right side than the left. This is
different to the SL70, where the coax plug was on the left. Hope this is of
some help.
See attached photos.
Regards,
Mike
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