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Sun 12/07/08


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 03:07 AM - long range tank not good (Remi Guerner)
     2. 06:36 AM - Re: long range tank not good (trevpond@aol.com)
     3. 07:02 AM - Re: long range tank not good (Robert Borger)
     4. 07:43 AM - Re: Warning. (Christoph Both)
     5. 01:10 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Rick Stockton)
     6. 02:09 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Rob Housman)
     7. 03:20 PM - Re: Warning. (Robert C Harrison)
     8. 04:13 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Michael Grass)
     9. 06:09 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Lance Sandford)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:07:59 AM PST US
    From: "Remi Guerner" <air.guerner@orange.fr>
    Subject: long range tank not good
    Hi Bob, Thank you for your response. It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see. Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time! Regards Remi >>>>Remi, My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post on my build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again. So I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the site is again functional. Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm. Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm. This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement. The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once the threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily. Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to not leak should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down. My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway. My wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel. So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.


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    Time: 06:36:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: long range tank not good
    From: trevpond@aol.com
    Hi Remi, Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.? They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.? Have a look at their web site for more information. regards Trev Pond G-LINN -----Original Message----- From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06 Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Bob, Thank you?for your response. It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. I?made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return?for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see. ? Now is the long range tank superfluous??I am not planning to fly five?hour trips on?a regular basis but it is nice?to?be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time! Regards Remi ? ? ? ? >>>>Remi, My long range tank has been returned.? I took some pics to post on my? build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.? So? I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the? site is again functional. Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm. Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm. This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement. The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be? difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading.? But once the? threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.?? Still, it is not a perfect fit.? I would not trust the cap to not leak? should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down. My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway.? My? wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than? THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.?? So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.


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    Time: 07:02:39 AM PST US
    From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
    Subject: Re: long range tank not good
    Remi, I have posted the pics of the long range tank opening and cap for what they are worth. I expect the tank to be useful when flying alone as I could probably make the 5.5 hr extended duration without stops. Which is why I am not offering it for sale. A second reason there will be no long range tank when my wife is flying with me (and I expect that to be most of the time as she enjoys flying) is because she feels she will need every ounce (gram) of the 80 lb (36 kilo) baggage capacity. So no long range tank shall get near the Europa if she is flying with me. Temp was right at 32F/0C this morning at 0800 local (1400 Z) so I'll be working around the house till things warm up a bit more. I still hope to get to the hanger to work all afternoon. Check six, Bob Borger Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S http://www.europaowners.org/N914XL (99.999% done) Essentially complete. Running Tests & Final Inspections. 3705 Lynchburg Dr. Corinth, TX 76208 Home: 940-497-2123 Cel: 817-992-1117 On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:06, Remi Guerner wrote: > Hi Bob, > Thank you for your response. > It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. > I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and > filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong > that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel > leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed > cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the > factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. > Wait and see. > > Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly > five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly > 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home > without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding > to purchase high priced avgas most of the time! > Regards > Remi


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    Time: 07:43:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Warning.
    From: "Christoph Both" <christoph.both@acadiau.ca>
    If you look what is brewing in the United States in regard to no-fly-list-requirements etc, it's perhaps time to get back into Model Planes again. There is a nice 1/4/ size EUROPA XS kit available... Christoph Both Full size #223 not yet flying... From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans Siedsma Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warning. This is already for years. I remember a couple of years ago flying in France that I had to make a stop at Le Touget because I could not make the Netherlands anymore before sun set. It was 19.50 and the airport close at 20.00. I got approval to divert and to land. Airtraffic controler gave me 5 extra minutes so I made it. There was nobody anymore on the airport only one the firer figther who helpo by parking and closed the gate. Next morning I was surprised to meet the police and I had to follow him to his office. Together with an English pilot I was his guest and he informd us that we got a ticket for a landing without customs declaration. I could prove that I came from a airport in France so I was lucky but the English pilot got a penalty of euro 700. Direct to pay and cash. So I can tell yuo he was not to happy. There was no customs open that night before, there was no police and their was no airport authorities available. No excuse, he had to pay. Be carefull Hans -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens karelvranken Verzonden: donderdag 4 december 2008 23:01 Aan: Europa List Onderwerp: Europa-List: Warning. Dear Europaphiles, During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian Federal Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen Countries we need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium: Brussels, Antwerp, Li=E8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders shall be fined....etc. Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in the office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw the customs in Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for, several hours in advance with the adequate form. I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me. But why have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small aircraft? Is this European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania) or Forli (Italia) with this officialdom? To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=A3 and Kortrijk 23 Euro) or approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I suggested that they could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is done for prisonners in conditional liberty. They said that is only for light criminals! (Joke) Best regards, Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 01:10:58 PM PST US
    From: Rick Stockton <aireupora@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: long range tank not good
    Trev, do you have the URL.- I put it in google and nothing came up that m atch your E-mail. --- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote: From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Remi, Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.- They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.- Have a look at their web si te for more information. regards Trev Pond G-LINN -----Original Message----- From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06 Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Bob, Thank you-for your response. It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. I-made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return-for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have re ceived an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better c ap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see. - Now is the long range tank superfluous?-I am not planning to fly five-h our trips on-a regular basis but it is nice-to-be able to fly 2,5 hou rs to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additio nal stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced a vgas most of the time! Regards Remi - - - - >>>>Remi, My long range tank has been returned.- I took some pics to post on my- build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.- So- I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the- site is again functional. Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm. Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm. This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement. The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be- difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading.- But once the- threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.-- Still, it is not a perfect fit.- I would not trust the cap to not leak- should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down. My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway.- My- wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than- THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.-- So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs. AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today.


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    Time: 02:09:13 PM PST US
    From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
    Subject: long range tank not good
    Try this "paid hit" at Google: http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:10 PM Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Trev, do you have the URL. I put it in google and nothing came up that match your E-mail. --- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote: From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Remi, Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range. They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump. Have a look at their web site for more information. regards Trev Pond G-LINN -----Original Message----- From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06 Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Bob, Thank you for your response. It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see. Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time! Regards Remi >>>>Remi, My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post on my build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again. So I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the site is again functional. Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm. Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm. This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement. The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once the threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily. Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to not leak should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down. My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway. My wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel. So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs. _____ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up <http://info.aol.co.uk/email1> for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== =========


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    Time: 03:20:16 PM PST US
    From: "Robert C Harrison" <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
    Subject: Warning.
    Hi! Karel, Hans and many more. I have no wish to apologize for my political leanings and agree that the Europa forum is not a soap box.However our Europa aircraft allow us to transgress all borders and so the way we accomplish that it is relevant to this forum IMHO. The UK is suffering massive influxes of migrants due to our immigration controls being decimated by the EU. We have suffered terrorism for many years and it is right that our Government should be implicated in keeping a watchful eye on all parties entering and leaving, like WE have to report and get authority to travel to Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. It is just a damn shame more isn't done about how migrants can traverse the rest of Europe and so finish up here inflicting undue pressure on our community services infrastructure and getting free hand outs because of a failure of many other European Country's (Sorry STATES!) for not picking up their fair share of so called asylum seekers. Concerning the claim that the EU is a success and has prevented any further wars I don't recall that the British have ever perpetrated the start of hostilities in Europe in the entire 19th and 20th centuries, so IMHO the absence of hostilities isn't down to the EU being success, less still the 14 years of unacceptable accounts audits. The fact remains that it is NOT democratic but bureaucratic in the extreme and has expanded by stealth without the consent of the people as proven by the French, Dutch, and recently Irish votes. I hadn't realized that Karel's "beef" was to do with Shengen but thought he was bemoaning European Officialdom. What is left of OUR controls is plainly our business. Yes I have enjoyed the convenience of entering Shengen states but it should be remembered that the British Isles are FULL for permanent residency purposes. .If European controls wish to make entry into specific Airfields then so be it, that's not our problem but from where I'm standing I guess it "takes two to tango!" We have an advance notice of arrival system so I guess you really need the same rather than having specific airfields imposed. Though I do recall of a couple of "bombastic jerks" at Deuville being a damn nuisance over our late arrival once, when we were given clearance to land by their ATC who made no reminding comments about the field being shut even though we were from LaRochelle where a Customs squad almost dismantled our a/c making us late anyway, having at the same time allowed about 200 passengers from another a/c to pass without inspection! Now to raise the common currency question is a political matter but I get the impression that you wouldn't welcome me raising it on this forum however I do get "vibes" that many STATES would dearly like to return to their original currency anyway! Regards Bob Harrison G-PTAG


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    Time: 04:13:36 PM PST US
    From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: long range tank not good
    ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal) Trev likely meant Turtle Pac Have a look at http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm They are specialized in aircraft applications too. Michael Grass Detroit, Mi Europa XS TriGear A266 ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Housman To: europa-list@matronics.com Sent: 2008-12-07 17:08 Subject: RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good Try this "paid hit" at Google: http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg Best regards, Rob Housman Irvine, CA Europa XS Tri-Gear A070 Airframe complete From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:10 PM To: europa-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good Trev, do you have the URL. I put it in google and nothing came up that match your E-mail. --- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote: From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good To: europa-list@matronics.com Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:34 PM Hi Remi, Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range. They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump. Have a look at their web site for more information. regards Trev Pond G-LINN -----Original Message----- From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr> To: Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06 Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good Hi Bob, Thank you for your response. It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine. I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see. Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time! Regards Remi >>>>Remi, My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post on my build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again. So I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the site is again functional. Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm. Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm. This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement. The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once the threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily. Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to not leak should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down. My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway. My wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel. So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?E uropa-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 06:09:53 PM PST US
    From: Lance Sandford <sandford@melbpc.org.au>
    Subject: Re: long range tank not good
    Turtlepak had a booth at Oshkosh this year. Tim Ward and I discussed the possibility of sitting the 20 litre jerry can version in the foot-well of the baggage bay and mounting it vertically to the seat back. I have not looked into it since Ive been home. There is probably room for 2 of them to give 40 litres extra without altering the C of G by any more than the Europa design. If you are filling them outside the aircraft, 20 ltrs is a lot easier to lift back into the baggage bay. Not a cheap solution the way the Oz Dollar is at the moment. Regards Lance Sandford in Oz Michael Grass wrote: > ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal) > > Trev likely meant Turtle Pac > > Have a look at > > http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm > > They are specialized in aircraft applications too. > > Michael Grass > Detroit, Mi > Europa XS TriGear > A266 > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Rob Housman <mailto:rob@hyperion-ef.com> > *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* 2008-12-07 17:08 > *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good > > Try this paid hit at Google: > http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Rob Housman > > Irvine, CA > > Europa XS Tri-Gear > > A070 > > Airframe complete > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >




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