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4. 07:43 AM - Re: Warning. (Christoph Both)
5. 01:10 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Rick Stockton)
6. 02:09 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Rob Housman)
7. 03:20 PM - Re: Warning. (Robert C Harrison)
8. 04:13 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Michael Grass)
9. 06:09 PM - Re: long range tank not good (Lance Sandford)
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Subject: | long range tank not good |
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your response.
It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and
filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that
I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were
found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the
meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he
has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.
Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five
hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours
to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an
additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase
high priced avgas most of the time!
Regards
Remi
>>>>Remi,
My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post on my
build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again. So
I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the
site is again functional.
Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm.
Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.
This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.
The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be
difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once the
threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.
Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to not leak
should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.
My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway. My
wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than
THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.
So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.
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Subject: | Re: long range tank not good |
Hi Remi,
Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.? They are sealed
systems with their own fuel pump.? Have a look at their web site for more
information.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06
Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Bob,
Thank you?for your response.
It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
I?made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled with
about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to return?for
a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking
through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have received an answer
from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it
to me. Wait and see.
?
Now is the long range tank superfluous??I am not planning to fly five?hour trips
on?a regular basis but it is nice?to?be able to fly 2,5 hours to a remote strip
with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop. You can also
make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most of the time!
Regards
Remi
?
?
?
?
>>>>Remi,
My long range tank has been returned.? I took some pics to post on my?
build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.? So?
I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the?
site is again functional.
Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm.
Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.
This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.
The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be?
difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading.? But once the?
threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.??
Still, it is not a perfect fit.? I would not trust the cap to not leak?
should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.
My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway.? My?
wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than?
THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.??
So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.
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Subject: | Re: long range tank not good |
Remi,
I have posted the pics of the long range tank opening and cap for what
they are worth.
I expect the tank to be useful when flying alone as I could probably
make the 5.5 hr extended duration without stops. Which is why I am
not offering it for sale.
A second reason there will be no long range tank when my wife is
flying with me (and I expect that to be most of the time as she enjoys
flying) is because she feels she will need every ounce (gram) of the
80 lb (36 kilo) baggage capacity. So no long range tank shall get
near the Europa if she is flying with me.
Temp was right at 32F/0C this morning at 0800 local (1400 Z) so I'll
be working around the house till things warm up a bit more. I still
hope to get to the hanger to work all afternoon.
Check six,
Bob Borger
Europa Kit #A221 N914XL, XS Mono, Intercooled 914, Airmaster C/S
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On Dec 7, 2008, at 5:06, Remi Guerner wrote:
> Hi Bob,
> Thank you for your response.
> It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
> I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and
> filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong
> that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel
> leaks were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed
> cap. In the meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the
> factory. He said he has found a better cap and has shipped it to me.
> Wait and see.
>
> Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly
> five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly
> 2,5 hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home
> without an additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding
> to purchase high priced avgas most of the time!
> Regards
> Remi
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If you look what is brewing in the United States in regard to
no-fly-list-requirements etc, it's perhaps time to get back into Model
Planes again. There is a nice 1/4/ size EUROPA XS kit available...
Christoph Both
Full size #223 not yet flying...
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Hans
Siedsma
Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Warning.
This is already for years. I remember a couple of years ago flying in
France that I had to make a stop at Le Touget because I could not make
the Netherlands anymore before sun set. It was 19.50 and the airport
close at 20.00. I got approval to divert and to land. Airtraffic
controler gave me 5 extra minutes so I made it. There was nobody anymore
on the airport only one the firer figther who helpo by parking and
closed the gate.
Next morning I was surprised to meet the police and I had to follow him
to his office. Together with an English pilot I was his guest and he
informd us that we got a ticket for a landing without customs
declaration.
I could prove that I came from a airport in France so I was lucky but
the English pilot got a penalty of euro 700. Direct to pay and cash.
So I can tell yuo he was not to happy.
There was no customs open that night before, there was no police and
their was no airport authorities available. No excuse, he had to pay.
Be carefull
Hans
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens karelvranken
Verzonden: donderdag 4 december 2008 23:01
Aan: Europa List
Onderwerp: Europa-List: Warning.
Dear Europaphiles,
During the month of october I received a lettre from the Belgian
Federal Police notifying me that for the exit or entrance in the Shengen
Countries we need to use one of the six recognised aerports in Belgium:
Brussels, Antwerp, Li=E8ge, Charleroi, Ostend and Kortrijk. Offenders
shall be fined....etc.
Last time I was in England I coasted in at Lydd. There was nobody in
the office nor police nor customs. The other times before I never saw
the customs in Popham, Dunkeswell or Welshpool even when I asked for,
several hours in advance with the adequate form.
I never refuse a control from whatever authority, if they ask me. But
why have I to pay and tell them what I will do with my small aircraft?
Is this European freedom? Why were we upset in Arad (Roumania) or Forli
(Italia) with this officialdom?
To avoid the cost for 4 extra landings (Lydd 15=A3 and Kortrijk 23
Euro) or approximately 92 Euro for a one day trip to England, I
suggested that they could attach an electronic stamp to my ankle like is
done for prisonners in conditional liberty. They said that is only for
light criminals! (Joke)
Best regards,
Karel Vranken, #447 F-PKRL
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Europa-List">http://www.matron
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Subject: | Re: long range tank not good |
Trev, do you have the URL.- I put it in google and nothing came up that m
atch your E-mail.
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote:
From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Remi,
Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range.- They
are sealed systems with their own fuel pump.- Have a look at their web si
te for more information.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06
Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Bob,
Thank you-for your response.
It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
I-made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled
with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to
return-for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only
fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have re
ceived an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better c
ap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.
-
Now is the long range tank superfluous?-I am not planning to fly five-h
our trips on-a regular basis but it is nice-to-be able to fly 2,5 hou
rs to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additio
nal stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced a
vgas most of the time!
Regards
Remi
-
-
-
-
>>>>Remi,
My long range tank has been returned.- I took some pics to post on my-
build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again.- So-
I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the-
site is again functional.
Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm.
Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.
This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.
The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be-
difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading.- But once the-
threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.--
Still, it is not a perfect fit.- I would not trust the cap to not leak-
should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.
My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway.- My-
wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than-
THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.--
So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.
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Subject: | long range tank not good |
Try this "paid hit" at Google:
http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Trev, do you have the URL. I put it in google and nothing came up that
match your E-mail.
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote:
From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Remi,
Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank range. They are
sealed systems with their own fuel pump. Have a look at their web site for
more information.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06
Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your response.
It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed and filled
with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong that I had to
return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks were found, only
fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the meantime I have
received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he has found a better
cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.
Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly five hour
trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5 hours to a
remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an additional stop.
You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase high priced avgas most
of the time!
Regards
Remi
>>>>Remi,
My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post on my
build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down again. So
I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics when the
site is again functional.
Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77 mm.
Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.
This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.
The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be
difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once the
threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly easily.
Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to not leak
should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.
My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank anyway. My
wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer than
THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available fuel.
So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.
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Hi! Karel, Hans and many more.
I have no wish to apologize for my political leanings and agree that
the Europa forum is not a soap box.However our Europa aircraft allow us
to transgress all borders and so the way we accomplish that it is
relevant to this forum IMHO. The UK is suffering massive influxes of
migrants due to our immigration controls being decimated by the EU. We
have suffered terrorism for many years and it is right that our
Government should be implicated in keeping a watchful eye on all parties
entering and leaving, like WE have to report and get authority to travel
to Channel Islands and the Isle of Man. It is just a damn shame more
isn't done about how migrants can traverse the rest of Europe and so
finish up here inflicting undue pressure on our community services
infrastructure and getting free hand outs because of a failure of many
other European Country's (Sorry STATES!) for not picking up their fair
share of so called asylum seekers.
Concerning the claim that the EU is a success and has prevented any
further wars I don't recall that the British have ever perpetrated the
start of hostilities in Europe in the entire 19th and 20th centuries, so
IMHO the absence of hostilities isn't down to the EU being success, less
still the 14 years of unacceptable accounts audits. The fact remains
that it is NOT democratic but bureaucratic in the extreme and has
expanded by stealth without the consent of the people as proven by the
French, Dutch, and recently Irish votes.
I hadn't realized that Karel's "beef" was to do with Shengen but thought
he was bemoaning European Officialdom.
What is left of OUR controls is plainly our business. Yes I have enjoyed
the convenience of entering Shengen states but it should be remembered
that the British Isles are FULL for permanent residency purposes.
.If European controls wish to make entry into specific Airfields then so
be it, that's not our problem but from where I'm standing I guess it
"takes two to tango!" We have an advance notice of arrival system so I
guess you really need the same rather than having specific airfields
imposed. Though I do recall of a couple of "bombastic jerks" at Deuville
being a damn nuisance over our late arrival once, when we were given
clearance to land by their ATC who made no reminding comments about the
field being shut even though we were from LaRochelle where a Customs
squad almost dismantled our a/c making us late anyway, having at the
same time allowed about 200 passengers from another a/c to pass without
inspection!
Now to raise the common currency question is a political matter but I
get the impression that you wouldn't welcome me raising it on this forum
however I do get "vibes" that many STATES would dearly like to return to
their original currency anyway!
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Subject: | Re: long range tank not good |
ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal)
Trev likely meant Turtle Pac
Have a look at
http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm
They are specialized in aircraft applications too.
Michael Grass
Detroit, Mi
Europa XS TriGear
A266
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Housman
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: 2008-12-07 17:08
Subject: RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Try this "paid hit" at Google:
http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg
Best regards,
Rob Housman
Irvine, CA
Europa XS Tri-Gear
A070
Airframe complete
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Stockton
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 1:10 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Trev, do you have the URL. I put it in google and nothing came
up that match your E-mail.
--- On Sun, 12/7/08, trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com> wrote:
From: trevpond@aol.com <trevpond@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Europa-List: long range tank not good
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008, 2:34 PM
Hi Remi,
Have you considered the Australian "Camelback" Bladder Tank
range. They are sealed systems with their own fuel pump. Have a look
at their web site for more information.
regards
Trev Pond
G-LINN
-----Original Message-----
From: Remi Guerner <air.guerner@orange.fr>
To: Europa-List Digest Server <europa-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 6:06
Subject: Europa-List: long range tank not good
Hi Bob,
Thank you for your response.
It looks like your tank and cap are slightly better than mine.
I made a first flight today with the long range tank installed
and filled with about 15 liters. The fuel smell in flight was so strong
that I had to return for a landing after a few minutes. No fuel leaks
were found, only fuel vapor leaking through the badly sealed cap. In the
meantime I have received an answer from Roger at the factory. He said he
has found a better cap and has shipped it to me. Wait and see.
Now is the long range tank superfluous? I am not planning to fly
five hour trips on a regular basis but it is nice to be able to fly 2,5
hours to a remote strip with no fuel facility and back home without an
additional stop. You can also make some savings avoiding to purchase
high priced avgas most of the time!
Regards
Remi
>>>>Remi,
My long range tank has been returned. I took some pics to post
on my
build website, but it appears that EuropaOwners.org is down
again. So
I will pass along some numbers for you and will post the pics
when the
site is again functional.
Outside diameter of tank opening threads is 2.55 in. or 64.77
mm.
Inside diameter of the cap threads is 2.5 in. or 63.5 mm.
This provides 0.05 in. or 1.27 mm of thread engagement.
The threads on the tank opening are not perfect and it can be
difficult to put the cap on without cross-threading. But once
the
threads have been properly engaged, the cap screws on fairly
easily.
Still, it is not a perfect fit. I would not trust the cap to
not leak
should the tank end up on its' side or, worse yet, upside down.
My plans no longer call for the use of the long range tank
anyway. My
wife has declared that there will NOT be any flight leg longer
than
THREE HOURS no matter how long the Europa can fly on available
fuel.
So the long range tank is now superfluous for my needs.
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Subject: | Re: long range tank not good |
Turtlepak had a booth at Oshkosh this year. Tim Ward and I discussed
the possibility of sitting the 20 litre jerry can version in the
foot-well of the baggage bay and mounting it vertically to the seat
back. I have not looked into it since Ive been home.
There is probably room for 2 of them to give 40 litres extra without
altering the C of G by any more than the Europa design.
If you are filling them outside the aircraft, 20 ltrs is a lot easier to
lift back into the baggage bay.
Not a cheap solution the way the Oz Dollar is at the moment.
Regards
Lance Sandford in Oz
Michael Grass wrote:
> ATL Inc is a little large (starting at 25gal)
>
> Trev likely meant Turtle Pac
>
> Have a look at
>
> http://www.turtlepac.com/sportair.htm
>
> They are specialized in aircraft applications too.
>
> Michael Grass
> Detroit, Mi
> Europa XS TriGear
> A266
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rob Housman <mailto:rob@hyperion-ef.com>
> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com <mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* 2008-12-07 17:08
> *Subject:* RE: Europa-List: long range tank not good
>
> Try this paid hit at Google:
> http://www.atlinc.com/pillow.html?gclid=CNjM2YfAr5cCFQsQagodf3Pqhg
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>
> Rob Housman
>
> Irvine, CA
>
> Europa XS Tri-Gear
>
> A070
>
> Airframe complete
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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