---------------------------------------------------------- Europa-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/16/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Re: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach (pjeffers@talktalk.net) 2. 02:17 AM - Re: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach (Graham Singleton) 3. 02:27 AM - Re: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach (G-IANI) 4. 02:32 AM - Re: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach (pjeffers@talktalk.net) 5. 04:24 AM - Re: wing wiring (G-IANI) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach (Fred Klein) 7. 01:44 PM - RT changes - UK (David Joyce) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:39 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach From: pjeffers@talktalk.net Hi Fred, >From a fully assembled wing (de rigged from A/C), first detach OR5 (Flap drive link) from FL 3 (Inner flap hinge arm), Then you can rotate the flap completely round to rest on the top surface of the wing. Then you can remove the aileron as if the flap was not there. I hope this helps Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: Fred Klein Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 4:27 Subject: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach ? Gentlemen,? ? I'm wondering what the sequence is for attaching and detaching the ailerons and flaps once the aircraft is complete. Having trimmed the bolt embedded in the inboard end of the aileron and fitted the flaps (including the inboard extension), I can't for the life of me see how one can attach the aileron to the wing with the flap already installed. For that matter, it appears to me that an aileron cannot be detached from the wing with the flap in place either in the retracted or deployed position.? ? It appears that ailerons must be attached first, and then (and only then) the flaps can be attached in the deployed position.? ? So my question is: If (for some reason) one would desire to detach an aileron from the wing, must the flap be detached first?? ? (That seems to be the case for me, and I'm wondering if this is SOP or if I've screwed up somewhere along the line.)? ? Thanks for any comments from your experience,? ? Fred? A194? ? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and? dangerous content by MailScanner, and is? believed to be clean.? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:26 AM PST US From: Graham Singleton Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote: > Hi Fred, > >From a fully assembled wing (de rigged from A/C), first detach OR5 > (Flap drive link) from FL 3 (Inner flap hinge arm), Then you can > rotate the flap completely round to rest on the top surface of the wing. > Then you can remove the aileron as if the flap was not there. > > I hope this helps > > Pete Jeffers Pete didn't you mean "you can rotate the flap completely round to rest on the _bottom_ surface of the wing." Graham ;-) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:16 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach Fred It depends on exactly how the end of the aileron is made but in general you are correct. It is very difficult to remove the aileron without removing the flap first. Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:32:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach From: pjeffers@talktalk.net Err yes.? I was thinking upside down. Sorry Fred if i confused you. Pete Jeffers -----Original Message----- From: Graham Singleton Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 10:17 Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach ? pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote:? > Hi Fred,? > >From a fully assembled wing (de rigged from A/C), first detach OR5 > (Flap drive link) from FL 3 (Inner flap hinge arm), Then you can > rotate the flap completely round to rest on the top surface of the wing.? > Then you can remove the aileron as if the flap was not there.? >? > I hope this helps? >? > Pete Jeffers? Pete? didn't you mean "you can rotate the flap completely round to rest on the _bottom_ surface of the wing."? Graham ;-)? ? ? ? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:34 AM PST US From: "G-IANI" Subject: RE: Europa-List: wing wiring Rick Please find attached a copy of the Tech Talk from Factory News letter No 41. I have various other bits on installing wing wiring so let me know if you have any particular questions Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear) e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com _____ From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick Stockton Sent: 15 December 2008 03:07 Subject: Europa-List: wing wiring I asked Jim Butcher about wing wiring and he said to " See Europa Tech Talk Issue 41, March 2004." well, the new web site does not go back that far. Everybody have a copy of it? I'm wiring the canoe and want to place the wing wiring in before I put the top on. I have the three lite wing tip strobes and trim motor and VHF antenna in one wing. If anybody has the Tech Talk article I'd like a copy or if somebody has a picture to share with me that would help. D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Europa-List: Flap & Aileron attachment/detach From: Fred Klein On Tuesday, December 16, 2008, at 02:01 AM, pjeffers@talktalk.net wrote: > >From a fully assembled wing (de rigged from A/C), Pete/Graham, Ah, the light bulb goes on...yes, de-rigging the wing surely helps! Sorry guys...brain freeze...thanks a bunch! Happy Holidays, Fred -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:10 PM PST US From: "David Joyce" Subject: Europa-List: RT changes - UK UK pilots should have had a heads up about the upcoming changes to ATC procedures, via Gasil, but foreign visitors may have missed it. 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